Did you love the iPhone SE? Well, sorry, it won't be refreshed, analyst says

The iPhone SE was an odd cookie of a smartphone —in a time when everyone was looking to make 5.5-inch flagships, Apple actually stopped for a second, looked back and said “Hey, guys, there are people back there who don't want to upgrade to a bigger smartphone... let's make a handset for them!”. And that's how the legend of the SE starts. It was a smartphone with the exact physical proportions of the iPhone 5s, but chock-full with Apple's latest hardware on board, giving it a nice camera upgrade and the ability to use Apple Pay.

Sure, the SE is not in some sort of super demand, but its sales in the quarter after its launch accounted for 5.1% of smartphone sales in general, which is quite the achievement for a 4-inch handset. That got us wondering whether Apple would make the SE into its own line, meant for people who don't care about huge displays, but would rather have an easily-pocketable smartphone.

Well, China-based analyst Pan Jiutang, who has been close on his guesses before, says that the SE will be the last 4-inch smartphone by Apple and anyone who wants a compact device should go ahead and buy it before it's discontinued.

That kind of makes sense when looking at where Apple seems to be going with its technology. The company seems to be making a push towards the bezel-less look. And while that may be reserved for the “anniversary” model — a.k.a the iPhone 8 — this year, it will inevitably make its way down to the “regular” iPhones over the next couple of years. This means that your standard, 4.7-inch iPhone will be very, very compact when its bezels are shrunken. That would, essentially, remove the need for an iPhone SE reiteration.

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iPhone SE
  • Display 4.0" 640 x 1136 pixels
  • Camera 12 MP / 1.2 MP front
  • Processor Apple A9 APL0898, Dual-core, 1840 MHz
  • Storage 128 GB
  • Battery 1624 mAh(14h 3G talk time)



1. Iodine

Posts: 1495; Member since: Jun 19, 2014

It's cheap. How many years till "bezzelless" 4,7" iPhone with relativelly up to date spec will cost 400$ ? It doesn't even exist, and I won't go for anything bigger than current standard size.

14. sgodsell

Posts: 7451; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

It's not cheap. At $399 USD, or $580 Canadian. Then it's certainly not a cheap smartphone. There is much better priced devices that offer more than the SE. However with that said I have never seen so many BOGO deals for the iPhone SE. Buy an iPhone 6s or 7 and get a free iPhone SE. It seems like everyone is giving the dam iPhone SE's away. So I can easily see why there won't be a refresh of the iPhone SE. The only way it has seen any significant sales, is by giving it away.

19. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

There are equally priced products that offer more...including size. The One Plus is also $399. Yet its bigger, faster, more capable. You know some will try to justify everything Apple does, no matter how asinine it is. And year $400 isn't cheap for any product, if you don't have the money.

2. Spyro

Posts: 334; Member since: Mar 29, 2017

The 4" iPhones will always have the best design out of any iPhone. Sad to see that go away.

21. PhoneCritic

Posts: 1354; Member since: Oct 05, 2011

Agree. It was a most beautiful design and was not beaten till the HTC M7 came along which was beaten, IMO, by the S6E which was destroyed by the S8 which, IMO, will be destroyed by the Note 8 because of the functionality of the S pen. But yeah The iPhone and 5 design language were classics.

3. HillaryClinton2020

Posts: 191; Member since: Feb 08, 2017

Because next generation of iphone SE will be based on iphone 6 specs, screem amd design with latest Apple chip

4. Fonetastic

Posts: 15; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

6s specs*

5. cmdacos

Posts: 4265; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

so... the very definition of a refresh then...

7. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2451; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

The current iPhone SE is already based on 6S specs. The only thing it doesn't have that the larger 6S has is the 5 MP front-camera. But everything else: the A9 processor, 2 GB RAM, GPU, are all the same.

8. 47AlphaTango

Posts: 734; Member since: Sep 27, 2015

How about the 128GB internal storage?

25. AmashAziz

Posts: 2934; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

The SE also comes with 128GB storage. Apple just outed this model.

9. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3152; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

No 3D touch.

11. bucknassty

Posts: 1353; Member since: Mar 24, 2017

you me refurbished outsides, and last years chips

6. gingerboy92

Posts: 13; Member since: Jul 06, 2014

if they are going bezel-less and still use a 4.6 inch screen, the body would only be slightly bigger than 4 inch, meaning that it wouldn't matter if they don't refresh the SE line. let's hope they don't get retarded and put a bigger screen into the current 4.6 body.

26. AmashAziz

Posts: 2934; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

The iPhone 8 will be just the latter, supposedly.

10. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Not surprised but hey they thought "we can recycle old parts and market this phone really cool". Failed. At the end of the day 4" smartphone days are over.

13. Spyro

Posts: 334; Member since: Mar 29, 2017

Article itself states that it accounted for 5.1 % of all smartphone sales in the quarter after its launch so no, it ain't a failure like some of the flagships launched this year.

15. sgodsell

Posts: 7451; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

It might not be a failure, but people have moved on. A 4" display is too small, especially when you are talking about a display that isn't even HD quality. The screen is the most important aspect of any smartphone. Maybe if Apple put a 4.5" HD display on the current iPhone SE size. Then they might sell more. Also I think most of its sales came from BOGO deals that are still going on. Buy an iPhone 6s or 7 and get a free iPhone SE. They even have sales of buy an iPhone 7 and get a free iPhone 7. Nothing like Apple trying to get their sales up for the quarter. Especially when Apple only sells around 36-40 million iPhone's.

16. Spyro

Posts: 334; Member since: Mar 29, 2017

We already have the 4.7" iPhones flagships to facilitate that. I don't see Apple struggling with iPhone sales. It's been 9 months since the last iPhone release so it's to be expected to have slumping sales this quarter. Slumping sales don't equal bad.

29. nebula

Posts: 1009; Member since: Feb 20, 2015

Thats the way i see it. I have not seen ever any iphone price diving down so bad as SE. If apple can afford to discount a phone so aggressively that means: they can afford it and it doesnt sell that well at all.

12. libra89

Posts: 2298; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

Aw man. I guess I will be holding tight to mine.

17. fyah_king unregistered

The sheep love the big bezels.

27. AmashAziz

Posts: 2934; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

You want a stand-alone display?

18. cncrim

Posts: 1588; Member since: Aug 15, 2011

Apple might make 8 SE next year, who know.

20. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Let's all run out an buy a product that Apple plans not to support anymore? What the sense in that?

23. libra89

Posts: 2298; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

Unlike some Android manufacturers, there will still be support on the software side and hardware side for a while.

24. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

You just don't get it do you. Its not just about getting new versions of iOS. The device is small. That means it software feature set is locked. Its never gonna have any new features worth talking about ever. It may as well be a very expensive feature phone. Comparing this model to ANY Android is stupid. Because no matter what Android I buy, even some cheap $200 one will more out the box vx this phone, and even if that Android NEVER gets an update; it will still do more than this SE even if it got 5 iOS updates. That is what I'm talkign about. This phone is an iPhone 4 with 6S specs per se. But ti doesn't have the software prowness of the S6 because of its size. THis is what you guys NEVER get when comparing iOS to Android. I personally could care less about updates except for security issues if and when they happen. But any Android out the box does more than any new iPhone for at leats 3 years without any upgrades to Android at all. Example, compare the Galaxy S5 which I believe the last update was Lollipop 5.01. It hasnt been updated since except with security updates. Yet compare what it can do vs an iPhone 7. The S5 is now 3+ years old and yet with almost no updates, it still does way more than the iPhone 7. You guys keep looking at version numbers. They mean NOTHING. They are just ways to keep up with firmware changes. Most changes will always be under the hood. iOS updates are mostly to fix things Apple breaks. Android doesn't need those updates, because that specific issue is less of an issue. When you update the SE to iOS 11, what new features that you can use will also be there? Not talking under the hood things you can't see. Think about it! Stop trying to make everything a Android vs IOS issue, like many try to make everything a back or white issue.

28. AmashAziz

Posts: 2934; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

I finished my popcorn.

30. Rangerboy505

Posts: 22; Member since: Sep 09, 2016

The 4" screen is the only reason I chose the SE, but that will be my last iPhone. If I have to get a 4.7" screen, I will go Sony, and I even refuse ISO 10

31. domfonusr

Posts: 1087; Member since: Jan 17, 2014

Such a shame to discontinue the SE. Its the only iPhone I actually sort of like, because of its compactness, and the modernized specs in an old-school package. Yeah, there are much better places to spend your money, but in my neighborhood/town Apple's iPhones are the penultimate status symbols, followed ever more closely by Samsung's Galaxies each year. The iPhone SE is the only one of those that comes even close to being affordable for someone like me, seeings you can get them for under $200 if you go for 16GB of ROM.

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