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Analysts: Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is not the answer to Samsung's problems

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Analysts: Samsung Galaxy Note 4 is not the answer to Samsung's problems
With Samsung's mobile business now showing a year-over-year decline, many Samsung analysts have been keeping an eye on the rumored specs for the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. The brokerage firms' pencil pushers were hoping that the next iteration of Sammy's phablet could save the day. The device is expected to be unveiled on September 3rd, at the IFA show in Berlin.

There is no question that the Galaxy Note 4 will have some scrumptious specs on board. We're talking about a 5.7 inch screen with a 1440 x 2560 resolution display. A Snapdragon 805 is powering the phablet, which is expected to employ 3GB of RAM, a 16MP rear-facing camera, and 32GB of native storage.

While it sounds like a power user's dream, the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 might not be able to single handedly turn around Samsung's fortunes. Neil Shah, research director at Counterpoint Technology Market Research, says that specs are not Samsung's problem. Samsung needs to use premium materials for the Galaxy Note 4, says the analyst. And with a larger screened iPhone just weeks away, Wall Streeters are hoping that Samsung has included something new with the device. Neil Mawston, executive director at Strategy Analytics, says that at this point in the game Samsung needs a "revolutionary design," like a bendable screen. He says that the manufacturer also needs to lower prices, and add more high-end features to its entry-level phones.

Samsung also needs to consider markets like India, where just 6% of the population owns a mobile phone. In both India and China, Samsung's entry-level models are priced 30% above the low-end offerings produced by local companies like Xiaomi. And Google's Android One program will help manufacturers build low priced Android models that will be sold for $100 or less. These phones will start rolling out in India later this year, with local firms like Micromax selling them. Local brands in China and India have been eating away at Samsung's market share in those countries. Last quarter, Xiaomi topped Samsung to take over the top spot in China.

"I hope the Note 4 will have all those factors missing from the S5. For example, a premium design with a new design language that includes some metal instead of the plastic design of its existing products. If you look at the Note 2 and 3, and the Galaxy S4 and S5 from the front they all look the same."-Neil Shah, research director, Counterpoint Technology Market Research

While a loaded Samsung Galaxy Note 4 might be great for those who buy the device, most analysts believe that Samsung needs to worry more about the phones it is selling in the emerging markets, if it wants growth in mobile devices to return.

source: PCWorld via BGR

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posted on 08 Aug 2014, 11:43 7

1. Antimio (Posts: 313; Member since: 11 Nov 2013)

Premium materials? Really? They never figured it out?

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 11:47 8

2. seret6 (Posts: 213; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)

Thanku phonearena for reporting idiots? Note 2,3 and s4,5 look same?
Phonearena editors must be blind for reporting these ridiculous things

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 11:50 21

3. Duketytz (Posts: 534; Member since: 28 Nov 2013)

Actually the differences are not that major to someone who isn't a techie like us. I have friends asking if the S5 is a S4 and vice versa, so I'm not too surprised he made that comment

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 12:35 7

34. sgodsell (Posts: 4855; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

What I care about more is what's inside of a smart phone. To me the S5 is excellent. With it being water and dust resistant, and a swiss army knife of smart phones. To me that counts more then a casing. Besides I see so many iPhone users with cases around their phones, because aluminum scratches and dents easier. The cameras are excellent on Samsung's devices like the S5 and other Samsung devices. With multi-window support so you can run multiple things at once simultaneously. Its really great.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 12:59 2

49. jpvala (Posts: 26; Member since: 07 Oct 2013)

Every phones have same problem just look at apple 4 and 4s .. 5 and 5s are same.. Not only apple and Samsung but other like Sony, LG's flagships have minor differences...

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:17 4

53. Doakie (Posts: 2227; Member since: 06 May 2009)

For a while there even my trained eye would have a hard time telling an iPhone 5 from a 4S if it was in a case. There were a half a dozen times I had incorrectly identified an iPhone 5 and thought it was a 4S. Apparently my eye couldn't discern between a 4.0" screen and a 3.5" screen when not placed next to a larger phone. Also I wasn't holding any of the iPhones I misjudged.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 21:02

114. naittosan (Posts: 234; Member since: 28 Jun 2014)

I think the point is the iPhone 6 will be of a different design yet high quality.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 14:39 3

85. hurrycanger (Posts: 1625; Member since: 01 Dec 2013)

LG gets bigger difference between its flagships imo.
It's Apple and Sony flagships that keep looking the same, like literally. I'm glad you mentioned those. The 4 and 4s look the same. The 5 and 5s look like the same except for the home button (and the led flash?). And all the iPhones have had pretty much the same look in the front.
As for Sony, heck yeah, all the Z, Z1, Z2, look very similar, much more than the similarity between the Galaxy S models.

It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a big change or to keep the devices similar to each other, but yeah, putting all that bs on just Samsung is pretty silly.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 15:40 2

94. nebsif (Posts: 37; Member since: 27 Jul 2014)

at least iphones look good (imo)... its just sad how chinese manufacturers manage to produce better looking plastic devices, w/ almost the same specs (no amoled and isocell) at half the price.

I dont give a crap about metal, but damn why make it THAT ugly (black s5 aka ugly galaxy grand im looking at you).

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 19:19 1

110. doejon (Posts: 406; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)

lol yes and what about the iphone even techguys like we are cant tell iphone 4 or 4s or 5 or 5s xD

posted on 09 Aug 2014, 04:48

122. Cicero (Posts: 924; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)

Did you ask them why they are interested about being S4 or S5? If they only care for social status that matter.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:20 5

59. rahul.niks (Posts: 86; Member since: 31 Oct 2013)

I am no fanboy but actually when i went to Samsung store, all phones i saw were more or less same, i mean the looks and design. May b note were different but again all notes were same. Plus they don't feel great, again from outside, so this isn't totally ridiculous

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:45 2

72. rromerof (Posts: 47; Member since: 28 Nov 2012)

I'm still unable to see any differences among S3, S4 and S5. They look exactly the same device. The only difference is the price. LOL.

posted on 09 Aug 2014, 04:52

123. Cicero (Posts: 924; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)

Samsung smart move? Or not?

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 12:47 8

40. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

The bashing Samsung must go on.
No mater if iPropaganda use the menial media or menial anallists.

Ooooh , and the "premium aluminium" BS must persist in every article too.
Same anallists and media , that were attacking to blood the first Note, and Wacom pen, and loving the 3.5" "perfect" screen size.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:19

58. torr310 (Posts: 1084; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)

They didn't use premium materials on the S5 was a mistake made. There is no turning back for this year because the majority people would prefer a "NORMAL" size phone over a phablet. Hope you do better on the S6!

posted on 09 Aug 2014, 11:14

131. pego99 (Posts: 105; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)

This permium materials bull is stuff by fanboys. I have a Galaxy S4 and there is nothing wrong with the materials. More metal woukd make the phone heavier and might negatively effect the radio reception and transmission.
I would rather have plastic and a removable battery than metal and a sealed battery.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 11:51 7

4. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)

Face the reality : people will either buy iPhone6 or heavily subsided GN3. It looks really bad for Sammy.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 11:54 11

6. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

Because the S4/S5/S4 Mini/S5 Mini isn't selling. Yup. Logic.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 12:38 3

38. sgodsell (Posts: 4855; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

Consider Samsung sells more then double what Apple sells. Not to mention they have every class and price know to man on the market. They have smart watches of their own and Android wear as well.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 12:55 5

45. JakeLee (banned) (Posts: 1021; Member since: 02 Nov 2013)

Apple ALONE made more than double the profit of ALL Android vendors together.

Do you think iPhone users are stupid?

Smart watches? Ask Sammy how much money they lost.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:20 11

60. Doakie (Posts: 2227; Member since: 06 May 2009)

"Apple ALONE made more than double the profit of ALL Android vendors together.

Do you think iPhone users are stupid?"

I don't think you're stupid. I think you're bad with money though. You pay too much for something too small...

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:30

69. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

or pay triple for, note 3, for something i would rather buy a tablet for. In fact, my current phone/tablet combo was a cheaper deal and imo a better use of cash.

It comes to recon that most people will not even use the note 3's power. Remember when intel/amd stopped chasing ghz? we got better dies, better threads, better heat, and better cpu's all around.

Samsung is chasing its own tail with hardware specs, and not making the device nor the OS overlay better (save multiwindow).

Sure aluminum, metal, titanium, magnesium alloys, vapor mag, etc may be there just to appease people. But internals are so 'run of the mill' now, that they need a differentiation.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 14:14

79. AlbertAribe (Posts: 168; Member since: 21 Jun 2014)

Haha! We're not stupid to buy expensive phone like Apple iPhone because we like it and it simple to use.

JakeLee is true and no iPhones iOS competitive you only have to choice which iPhone model you gonna buy. In Androids, to many available and you will be confused which android is best phone or whatsoever called flagship.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 15:48 4

96. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

I don't think you can get more simple than Easy Mode on the S5... I mean seriously. Confused? Choice is confusing? Well I'll be damned. Billions of people around the world must be completely lost when buying a car.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 22:49 1

117. willard12 (unregistered)

1st sentence: We're not stupid.
2nd sentence: We're confused by too much choice.

posted on 09 Aug 2014, 05:05

124. Cicero (Posts: 924; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)

I started with iPhones. But I feeled frustated by being so restricted in what I can do according to my needs. So I moved on to Android Samsung's and I have none of my request not to be easy solve (printing with my old network Xerox printer, having ofice files protected with pasword, true windows multitasking etc. - android power combining with Sammy hardware).

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 22:53

119. alaw.14 (Posts: 227; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)

Your talking about something 3 years ago. Samsung makes almost double the revenue if apple.

posted on 09 Aug 2014, 10:42 1

130. Philipand96 (Posts: 103; Member since: 12 Jul 2014)

Apple has the highest % markup of all vendors.

Apple % markup is possibly a significant percentage of ALL Android vendors combined.

China #1 cell phone owners.

The latest information I read is that based on smartphone sales in China in the last quarter
1st) Xiaomi
2nd) Samsung (by just 200,000 over
3rd) Lenovo
4th) Apple

Xiaomi Mi 4 prices are $320 & $400 16GB & 64GB
Huawei Honor 6 is $370 16GB
As you can see both these Chinese base companies are offer 4G LTE 13Mp at least Quad core phone, for approx HALF the price of a NOTE 3
Apart for screen size the specs are comparable to 13Mp NOTE 3

Xiaomi have already displaced both Apple then Samsung to reach the #1 position

Lenovo have just displaced Apple and already nearing Samsung

For me I don’t understand why Apple have moved the event up 10 days to 09/0/9/2014 as it gains nothing if one of the phones is to be released much later

If Apple fear Samsung will capture sales with the NOTE4 it may well do.
Whilst Apple is doing well in the US, the Asia market is in decline
Samsung are already losing market share, but this will have an even bigger impact on Apple

The base prices for the 4.7” and 5.5” iPhones in China are $850 & $1012, any switch is a potential loss, the loss per Apple IPhone is much more due to the profit mark up included in the cost

re Asia IMO it should not be seen as upgrading the phone to get say the NOTE 4, but making a sale, despite what the customer has bought before, paying near double to get the few feature on a NOTE 4 not on a Xiaomi is a big ask, and the specs of the Mi 4 are more than the average person requires

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 13:25

63. Vexify (banned) (Posts: 570; Member since: 16 Jun 2014)

Lol. You just explained your own argument. Samsung sells more than Apples (2 phones) with their every class and price known to man on the market. GG.

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