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Xiaomi's president strikes back at Apple's Jony Ive, offers him a free Xiaomi smartphone

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Xiaomi's president strikes back at Apple's Jony Ive, offers him a free Xiaomi smartphone

Last week, Apple's lead designer Jony Ive directly accused Xiaomi of blatantly copying the looks of iOS for its MIUI interface. He said that it's not only lazy, but also a theft of intellectual property. Subsequently, Jony Ive admitted that he might have overreacted and been too direct, but the damage had already been done.

Thus, it was just a matter of time before the latter recuperated and came up with an answer. Lin Bin, the co-founder and current president of Xiaomi, calmly and nonchalantly addressed Ive and suggested that he could send a Xiaomi device to Apple's creative pundit as a present.

"Xiaomi is a very open company, which would never force anyone to use its products. However, one can only judge Xiaomi's gadgets after he or she has used them," Lin Bin told China News Service. "I'm very willing to give a Xiaomi cell phone to him as a present, and I look forward to hearing his remarks after he uses it."

Apple's iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are already available for pre-order in China, Xiaomi's home playground, where they'll officially land on October 17. It seems that Cupertino's new phones bask in quite the popularity there.

source: The Register

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posted on 13 Oct 2014, 08:27 11

1. sip1995 (Posts: 1571; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


LOL....

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:09 15

10. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


love it hahahahah screw you jon, you steal from every device out there

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:12 11

14. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


on top of that the ios is a simple copy of the samsung os from 2006

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:39 4

27. HildyJ (Posts: 294; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Not to mention the whole flat "material design" look is what PC users used to call "normal" because shadows and such chewed up precious CPU cycles.

posted on 14 Oct 2014, 00:58

60. chocolaking (Posts: 494; Member since: 22 May 2012)


xiaomi the shameless company copied what samsung has done.
i meant, samsung copied apple.
so, xiaomi is just doing what samsung did and take it to the next level.

posted on 14 Oct 2014, 06:52

64. steodoreben (Posts: 240; Member since: 26 Sep 2013)


Very well said Lin Bin, such professionalism. Apple Inc. also copies, they just denied the fact. When the first smartwatch was introduced, no one bats an eye but when Apple reveals its own smartwatch, Apple fans then said it was innovation. SRSLY?

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:55 2

52. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


apple need to fire jony ive... they should hire a good designer

posted on 14 Oct 2014, 08:52

65. kenshin9880 (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Oct 2014)


then apple will die yo............. XD

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 08:31 1

2. greathero1 (Posts: 563; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)


No need to back track. It is, what it is lol.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 08:31 4

3. vuyonc (Posts: 1004; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


He imitates the trollface perfectly tho

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 08:32 10

4. Chuck007 (Posts: 1090; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


I think Xiaomi should learn to limit the amount of "inspiration" from other designs. Miui is user friendly and all, but the blatant copycat is so obvious it's hard to sell Xiaomi devices where patents mean jack squat. Come on now... how hard is it to make your own icons? Both Huawei and ZTE already moved on to me original UIs so I am positive it's not something Chinese phone oems "must" do to sell their products nowadays.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:03 3

8. synot (Posts: 277; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


If you do a background check you will find out that its actually Iphone that copies xiaomi U.I.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:59 6

34. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Only if you are reading Hugo Barra's blog. MIUI v5 is an iOS 6 knockoff, and MIUI v6 is an iOS 7 knockoff. Every tech site has called Xiaomi on this.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:04 2

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Xiaomi has been known to be a big iOS copier. That is quite true. Users used to add MIUI to their devices because they wanted it to be more "iphone like". Havent looked at it in a while to see if it still is, but it definitely used to be a blatant rip off.

Either way, I love the bit of trolling from Lin Bin.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:38 1

41. synot (Posts: 277; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


Go do your research again

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:36 1

39. synot (Posts: 277; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


go do your research again

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 08:45

5. Chuck007 (Posts: 1090; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


*to make

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 08:45 6

6. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)


take a look at this before you comment

original post:http://tw.gigacircle.com/1268531-1

xioami vs 5s
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db882dd3.jpg

xiaomi tv vs aplpe tv
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db87d7e5.png

xiaomi phones vs iphone 5c (left xiaomi, right 5c)
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2e46cba48.png

mi powerbank vs apple ipod
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db87cc2e.png

Mi router vs apple's touchpad
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db87e3a2.png

mi pad vs ipad
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db87ef22.png
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db8806c6.png

using theapple's "aperture" icon image and paste on xiaomi phone photo
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db87b8b1.png

ceo vs steve job
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db882dd3.jpg
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db880eb0.jpg

xiaomi presentation ripoff steave job
http://s2.gigacircle.com/media/s2_53dd2db882605.jpg

xioami website vs aple website
http://www.mi.com/mi4#fea-three
http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:11

11. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


... Considering aluminum is extensively used in supercars (Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, McLaren, Spyker, Aston Martin), hypercars (Pagani & Konegseigg) , jumbo jets (Boeing), uber-luxury vehicles (Bentley & Rolls Royce), military vehicles (armor plating, vehicle chasis, jet fighters/bombers), and construction... I'd take issue with the statement that aluminum is a "cheap metal".

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:21 4

20. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


its a cheap metal thats light weight also carbon fiber and alloy's are used now plus other metals, the aluminum is cheaper then the polymers and does not handle hits meaning more money in apples hand.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:35

26. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


In context, the reference seems to be a slight at the quality of aluminium as a material, not its price. Considering its light weight, high strength to weight ratio, ease of shaping it into forms and its immunity to rust... Its hard to think of a metal that can be mass produced enough at a similar cost to realistically replace it. It isn't expensive, but it isn't a cop-out or terrible material. It's used by everyone for a reason. Carbon fiber is indeed coming down in price, and Aluminum

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:41

28. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


And aluminum* has subjective aesthetic properties that Carbon Fiber simply doesn't. But that's more personal taste than fact.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 11:47 2

44. timepilot84 (Posts: 113; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


Where I come from, we make beer cans out of aluminum. If you actually took a second to look it up, you'd learn that "aircraft grade" aluminum has nothing to do with the tensile strength of the material, it's ability to avoid scratches, or anything that Apple tells you it does. The only difference between "aircraft grade" aluminum and the run of the mill stuff is that aircraft grade aluminum can be extruded during manufacturing without as much cracking.

Do you want to know what else is made out of the premium material aircraft grade aluminum? Window frames. Rain gutters. Yeah, it's a a cheap metal.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:21

47. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


I'm very much aware of the differences, and they're not all the same grade of aluminum. Instead of making a sweeping statement and assuming my ignorance, you could look at what I a was saying. That aluminum is not an inherently "low quality" metal.That was the entirety of my point, which you completely and totally skipped over. It's in how you use it, but I guess you're too busy wanting to make a point you didn't even attempt to pay attention to the words -_- If nothing else, you just further pointed out its versatility, and didn't in any way detract from my point that it's used in a broad spectrum of products, and not done so because of its cost. When cost isn't an issue and it's still chosen as the go-to metal for extremely expensive constructs and products (which is why I listed examples of high-end or strategically important systems) over other metals, that alone makes my point. But whatever, you're right if it makes you feel better. I'm done talking about aluminum. Have a great day though :)

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:31

51. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


I don't even know why you specifically focused on "aircraft grade" aluminum as your example. But I can counter-point that by noting its use in car-frames, engines, as armor plating in military-grade vehicles and as aircraft frames is SPECIFICALLY because of its strength to weight ratio and other qualities. Not because of cost. Granted, it may be blended with other metals to adapt their qualities but that still doesn't detract from my point. So... I don't even get why you're focusing in on one specific application out of the many I supplied. And congratulations on developing beer can technology.

posted on 14 Oct 2014, 04:47

63. vincelongman (Posts: 4252; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Lol the irony in your comment
The 'best' supercars, hypercars, uber-luxury vehicles, military vehicles, construction, sports equipment, aeroplanes, rockets don't even use metal, not to mention aluminum
The 'best' use composites
Polymer (plastic) matrix reinforce with fibers made from carbon fiber or kelvar or glass
Though aluminum is still used as its cheaper than other metal/alloys such as steel and titanium
But if it was viable, almost everything would be made out of composites (plastic + fiber) since they are almost better in all aspects

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:15

15. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


So much FUD. Lucy Koh never worked for Apple.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:15 1

16. Chuck007 (Posts: 1090; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


There is a fine line between blatantly copying and drawing inspiration from something. Drawing decent inspiration in a sense drives technology forward by taking an idea and refining/improving it with your personal touch (meaning not trying one's best to make it a clone), but ripoffs does nothing to the same effect - which is often an attempt to leach on others popularity. Honestly, Xiaomi being renowned in China I don't see why they see the need to copy and paste everything Apple does anymore. Heck, in a couple of years they're already guaranteed to make their mark worldwide.

Of that list however I do think you are on to something about Apple Pay lol

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:17 3

18. Settings (Posts: 1530; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


We all know iOS isn't clean in the "innovation" department but it doesnt mean all other mobile OSes are discounted in the fact.
They have copied each other one way or another.
Its not news anymore who copied who, but who sells more with their own side of innovation. Then suing comes to place

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:55 1

32. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


If companies were a bit more honest about the fact that they borrow from one another and develop off each others ideas instead of zealously denying it, you'd clear up a lot of that. On one hand, you have to set limitations because you want to defend your product and revenue stream by preventing clones popping up everywhere... But as you say, no-one has clean hands. Especially Apple who believes absolutely no-one deserves credit for good ideas but them and only they are allowed to be "innovative".

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:19

19. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


this may just go down as the greatest list compiled

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:18

38. Iodine (Posts: 1324; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)


I could also say that Thomas Edison never invented anything because a hieroglyph very similar to an lightbulb is found in some egypt monuments and so they were first.

But many people would say that I am an idiot.

And a like how you, deperate anti-Apple fans are going happily few decades ago to the past to find something even remotelly similar to Apple work and accuse them of copying, but you will don't see anything bad on strategy of samsung and xiaomi whose are known to be blatant copiers and whose are ripping Apple's work right in front of your eyes.

You are accusing Apple of things like "patenting rectangle with rounded corners" you say that it's so bad it shouldn't be allowed to even think about that. But at the same time, Apple can't make an vedge shaped notebook or a phone with curvy lines, because their are copying others, who have patent on vedge or rounded shape.

Apple is so sucesfull that it's driving people crazy and the post above just proves that.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:15 6

45. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4039; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


So Apple's laptops aren't the same design as other laptops out there? Then why hasn't anyone sued them? Because that design is about the only workable design for it to be easily used. Same as a slab style smartphone. And simply adding rounded corners? Rounded corners have been added to many designs long before Apple came along. It makes it more comfortable to hold for longer periods and makes it less likely to cause injury than a sharp corner.

It's not Apple's success that's driving people crazy, but that they do the same things they call out others for and seem like they're above it when they're not. And their fans support it 100%. It's like the kid in high school who admonishes everyone for drinking, then you see them at a party totally smashed. And the following day they're back on their anti drinking rant. That makes you want to punch them in the face for being so hypocritical. And in Apple's case, they're not the first to come up with the concept of a rectangle with rounded corners. And before you say this is about smart phones only, a design patent doesn't only cover it in the field it's in, but in any product that uses that design. Considering how many different products use that design, it should be public domain. Now maybe if they wanted to patent the design with exact measurements (exact length of each side, the measurement of the arc at each corner, etc), MAYBE I could see that. But what they're trying to do there would be akin to patent a mode of transportation with x number of wheels and leaving it as vague as that. That would eliminate all competition in that field.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 23:31

59. Chuck007 (Posts: 1090; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


You make some valid points there, and I agree. Apple can get extremely trollish (overly vague) patents, and I think it's up to US government to properly manage them so that they are at least reasonable.

The problem here however, is Xiaomi's obvious move to copy everything Apple (from their products to how the CEO dresses and tries to present himself to how their major presentations are done.. it's simply ridiculous) and their sheer lack of originality. I personally don't know why anyone would support such a company. Apple have put a halt in innovation in the past and I think they deserve what's coming to them, but imagine a world driven by Xiaomi's business mentality. Total disaster.

Having said that I am proud how Huawei, ZTE, and Oppo/Oneplus finally came to their senses and working ot truly innovate (or at least follow their own design language) the smartphone market. Kudos to them. Heck, proud about Lenovo's Yoga line too. Again, just a reminder there is no Chinese hate here. I am proud to be Chinese but there are certainly things we should learn from the west.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:37 2

40. BobbyDigital (Posts: 1895; Member since: 29 May 2014)


You are the winner of POST OF THE YEAR!! +1,000,000,000

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 14:04

53. nathan.carter (Posts: 416; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)


The only thing that would make your comment correct, are dates the devices and presentations acctually happened.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:05 1

9. NotAGeek (Posts: 279; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)


Good Move by Lin Bin.Fight evil with good.I'm sure that once Ive received the gift,he will realize how good it is and wish that his products could be better

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:16 2

17. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


His statement wasn't about how good or bad Xiaomi's products are. It was about visual resemblance of their UI and products. To be fair, they did pretty clearly copy iOS and the general looks of Apple products. I get that there are limitations to the number of ways you can make a rectangle... But the HTC One, Sony Xperia line, the Lumia range, The LG G2 & G3... All look nothing like an iPhone. They could've tried a bit harder.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:26 3

22. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


terry you must be blind my good man apples iphone 6 is a 100% copy of htc m8 if you have them back to back with no apple logo it would be real hard for normal people to tell. and if you ran a steam roller over the m8 it would look like a iphone 6 and the steam roller would be broken hahahaha

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:52

31. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


I'll agree the overall shape is similar and the placement of their bands give them a bit of resemblance (to an extent) and at a distance you could mistake one for another... But I think that's where the resemblance ends. The one uses their "hairline" brushed aluminum which has a pretty distinctive look, versus the iPhone's anodized satin-like look. Between that, the curved back of the one, the signature dual speakers, twin camera's and camera placement they're kind of easy to tell apart. But yeah, i find it hard to believe that Apple didn't at the very least consider the similarity of the iPhone 6 to the HTC One, intentional or otherwise.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:02

35. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


You forget that Apple can use HTC's antenna bands because they signed a cross-licensing deal.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:53 2

42. synot (Posts: 277; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


Are u derived from the bacteria Napalm

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:19 1

46. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4039; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


He wasn't referring to antenna bands, but the two horizontal lines on the back of the HTC One, that are around a half inch from the top and bottom. They were talking design, not components.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:29 1

23. infinitykush (Posts: 9; Member since: 24 Aug 2014)


Yeah iOS 8 is entirely derived from Amdroid 4.0. Some innovation by Apple.Copy others and deny that they copied then when others copy they sue.Greedy Company this Apple.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:11 1

12. promise7 (Posts: 874; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


He just offers him a phone, but doesn't answer why their products look extremely similar physically to Apple products. It was obvious once they starting using the "One more thing..." slide.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:11 2

13. haikallp (Posts: 201; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)


He can say whatever he wants but it's obviouathey were highly inspired by Apple. Even their branding sounds like Apple's iPad, MiPad iCloud, MiCloud.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:26 2

21. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Strong comeback. "Yes, we know we are copycats, but here is a free phone." Jonny needs to apply aloe to the affected area.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:31

24. joey_sfb (Posts: 5551; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Wow. Apple really brainwash their follower completely. If a company A is successful in making money from a lemonade recipe.

Only company A should remain a monopoly making big buck while the rest remain poor. What happen to the free enterprise spirit?

Company B, C, D till infinity are not allow to compete in making the same lemonade. That's your current level of fathom.

If apple gets its way in the 1930's, every one can buy only apple product like Apple toaster, apple car, apple condom, apple soap.

You think that will happen. I tell you you can buy nothing! Because Apple owns everything. There are no other Enterprises for you to make your salary.

Apple really owns their fans.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:47 2

30. Chuck007 (Posts: 1090; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


People can drive Ferraris and Porches, but a Porche using the nearly exact same mould as a Ferrari is no doubt unjust and will get them sued. A crappy analogy but you get what I mean.

And no, Apple doesn't own the tv box, computer, smartphone and tablet space nor do they pretend to be. The issue here is the Apple leaching strategy Xiaomi structured their whole company after.

Seeing how Xiaomi handles their business it's making me appreciate other Chinese OEMs the more. Where they finally realise more originality counts.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:23

48. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4039; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Comparing phones and cars in terms of design is a poor choice. There are many things you can do to differentiate the design of a car from another. You can add scallops in the body panels, change the shape of the body itself, or simply of the windows, etc. With a phone you can't change it too much or it will be difficult to use. A phone is a handheld device, a car is not.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 23:11

58. Chuck007 (Posts: 1090; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


post #16

You are right about not being able to change the design of a phone entirely much, but I think it doesn't take a genius to tell what Xiaomi is doing to gain marketshare here.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 10:12

37. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


Yeah, you totally missed the point. Lets say I make a table. Now, I don't have a copyright on the very idea of tables, but my tables have distinctive aesthetics. If you come along and make a table that looks nearly identical to mine, the issue isn't the fact that you made a table. Anyone is allowed to make a table, because no-body owns that idea. THe problem is that of all the designs in the world, you chose to make a table that looks nearly exactly like the one i'm selling. That is what Apple's gripe is, and that's totally legitimate. If you don't think so, then there's literally no point in having copyright laws in the first place.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 18:46

55. joey_sfb (Posts: 5551; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


I just think that there should be laws to protect the little guys in businesses.

Businesses in this era has consolidated to a point where its almost impossible for newer business or innovation to thrive.

Bigger company are using expensive patent lawsuit to prevent competitors at the most basic level. Patent that require expensive research and funding to obtain I can understand but design patents to patent a special curve is really taking things overboard.

posted on 14 Oct 2014, 11:56

66. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2158; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Copying and innovation aren't the same, they are polar opposites. Innovating means you find a new, better way to do something. Xiaomi is using the tried, true, and successful Apple way of doing things, so they would still get no protection.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:34

25. infinitykush (Posts: 9; Member since: 24 Aug 2014)


Maybe Apple wanted a free device.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 09:46

29. Iodine (Posts: 1324; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)


Wow what an incredibly smart reaction... Gift someone his stolen work.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 11:36

43. syamjith (Posts: 10; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)


Xiaomi please make a good UI instead of copying from other OEM.

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:26

49. Nexus4lifes (Posts: 155; Member since: 13 Feb 2014)


His remarks would be "I was living in a world surrounded by poorly designed products - till today".

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 12:29

50. jeff327 (Posts: 84; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Is anyone else worried about Papa John (Smurf)? The fact he has not commented on this article a few hundred times worries me that something is wrong. On top of that we all know he already owns the Xiaomi Phone and hates it. :)

posted on 13 Oct 2014, 18:03

54. smdpa (banned) (Posts: 25; Member since: 06 Oct 2014)


Bhaha! It's like some rubbish Chinese car company making remarks to BMW! Funny, indeed! :)))

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