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Verizon's CEO says carriers are warming up to "a third ecosystem", expects it to be Windows Phone

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When the CEO of the largest US carrier talks, everyone in the mobile industry should listen, since the US market has superior visibility, making it somewhat of a trendsetter recently.

Speaking at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia event yesterday, Lowell McAdam, the CEO of Verizon, had expressed his beliefs that in the next 12 months Windows Phone will win the battle with RIM for the "third ecosystem" to take on Android and iOS. 

Besides RIM's QNX and Windows Phone, he had also mentioned Samsung's bada as having a fighting chance, but the ultimate winner he believes to be Microsoft. Scoring Nokia as its de facto handset manufacturing arm this year, must have tipped the scales in Redmond's favor:

The carriers are beginning to coalesce around the need for a third ecosystem. Over the next 12 months I think it will coalesce and you will start to see one emerge as a legitimate third ecosystem. In my opinion, it’ll be between RIM and Microsoft, and I expect Microsoft to come out victorious.


Microsoft itself, however, is not completely convinced it will pull it off. An anonymous blogger under the name of Mini-Microsoft (from Mini-Me, of course), who claims to be mid-manager at the company, has posted some internal memos from a high-ranking employee online, which reveal his honest take on the whole mobile saga:

WP7 is a good product but as others have alluded to, MSFT is way late to the party in terms of highly functional / attractive UI / rich app eco-system smartphones. The Nokia deal only allows MSFT some hope at playing catch-up at this point


The US is a nation where the carriers call the shots, and if the largest one has a mindset that Windows Phone will be bi-winning in the next year or so in the battle for the third place and for the carriers' hearts, then Nokia, Samsung, HTC, LG and the other WP warriors might just start putting some extra effort in their Windows Phones.

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posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:16 3

1. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


"Samsung's bada as having a fighting chance"
At least he mentions bada : )

From what my inside sources hav been telling me, Samsung will now push bada, and might even get LG and HTC to make bada phones. If that is correct, then i think bada will have a better chance of becoming the third ecosystem than WP7 (after all, bada still has more market share than WP7).

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:35 3

4. haikallp (unregistered)


stop talking bout Bada's marketshare. It has the most pathetic app store to date. Even the BB's app world is better. Bada's marketshare is stagnant.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:42 2

6. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Nope.
bada has more than 20 % more market share than WP7.
there is more than 6500 quality apps for bada.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 07:35 4

10. dudeman (unregistered)


6500 apps is garbage. That's a pathetic and sad amount of apps, and they aren't all quality. How much is samsung paying you for this?

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 07:46

11. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Until it reaches the US, I can't take bada seriously as an OS. People here still buy Blackberries, but no major carrier has offered the Wave, Wave 2 or Wave 3.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:02 6

12. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


until it reaches the US, Bada doesnt exist.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:14 2

14. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I know I read somewhere that bada was intended to be a sort of OS for dumbphones, something to allow low-end phones to add apps. How can it be compared to Android if its main purpose is to be simple? Not that there's anything wrong with simple and stable, but Peter keeps crowing that everyone except Motorola will abandon Android and go running to bada. From what I've read, bada isn't for power users, so I can't see that happening.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:29

19. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


no samsung has not said bada is intended for low end phones.
You can't call the Wave or the Wave 3 low end !

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:26 1

17. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Hahahahaha...

That's what the Americans think in the land of the free, the land of the proud, the land of the best...

Anything that is not American does not exist lol.

There is a huge market outside of the US man.

In fact, over here in Europe, bada is a common OS (especially in France).

Just because bada is not in the US yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It only means that Samsung knows that in the US, everyone are patriots and want American OSes. Google, Microsoft, Apple, AMERICAN ! and therefore wait with releasing bada in the US untill it has more market share in europe.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:33 3

21. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Hey, Sweden has plenty to offer. Volvos are great cars. Sorry about Saab though.

Seriously though, you're posting on a Verizon article. Don't act all indignant that we're thinking US-centric when talking about smartphones on a US carrier.

And if you think popularity outside the US is an indicator of long-term success, I have two words: Nokia and Symbian.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:45 2

24. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


well, Saab is not bankrupt yet, there is still hope for Saab, but it doesn't look good for Saab at the moment.

When it comes to Symbian, that has been a very popular OS in europe. And the sales for Symbian only went down after Mr. Elop killed symbian and announced they where going for WP7 (ahem, a Canadian choosing a American Os before a european OS...).

The sales for Symbian 3 was very good untill stupid Mr. Elop killed Symbian sales.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 09:05 1

26. DearMrFantasy (unregistered)


You really do live in fantasy world! Symbian was killed due to rapidly declining market share, which resulted in Nokia trying to save themselves by switching to WP7.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 09:27 2

28. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


You are the one living in a fantasy world here.

When Symbian 3 came out on the Nokia N8, C7 and E7, it sold very good. In fact, before Elop killed Symbian Symbian had the largerst market share. It was only after Elop killed Symbian did Symbians market share declined rapidly.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 09:34 2

30. DearMrFantasy (unregistered)


In 2006 symbian had a market share of close to 73%. In 2010 the marketshare was reduced to 37.6%. In the start of 2011 a partnership with microsoft was announced. Symbian was failing. It doesn't get any more straight forward than that. Give it up!

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 08:39

40. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


It's true, nokia is the srongest and most popular manufacturer outside of the US and Europe. Every other country has quite a lot of nokia users. Its only the smartphone race which nokia is losing in.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 12:25 2

34. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 466; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


That is because Sweden is low-end

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:31

20. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


And besides, America is only 1/20 of the whole world. There are bigger markets than America.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 09:05 2

27. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


This is true. The Galaxy S and S2 have had phenomenal sales and the S2 just went on sale here. But when was the last time a major technology development excluded the US? Cell phones, Palm, Blackberry (ok, Canada, "America's hat"), iPhone, Android... we may not be the biggest market for tech anymore, but I'd argue we're still the most consequential.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 09:40

31. Derp (unregistered)


Yeah... Like Sweden...

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:22 1

16. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)


Ahhh...Peter, right on queue - you're always the first to post on a WP7 article with disparaging remarks about WP7,(or at least to downplay any positives cited in the WP7 article), and then you go on to tout Bada.

You are a truly a Troll.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:37

22. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


He's not a troll, he's a zealot. He's chosen his horse and he'll cheer it on even if it finishes in last place.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 09:28

29. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Bada won't finish in last place, hey it is even number 5 worldwide in terms of market share beating WP7.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 11:50

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


He's a troll

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 12:35 1

35. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Hehehe, looked in a mirror lately Taco ?
I'm not at troll

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 18:53

37. stealthd (Posts: 931; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


A fanboy isn't any better than a troll. At least trolls are entertaining sometimes.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 20:30

39. badadog (unregistered)


Wow these badaDogs, a transition from the original iSheep are getting pathetic.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:33

2. haikallp (unregistered)


dammit!
i was gonna say "peter will surely be pissed and say bada will be no.3" but he commented here before me. Well, may the best OS win :D

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:35 1

3. fasf (unregistered)


hahahaha. Bada sheep above me.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:37

5. haikallp (unregistered)


i'm not a Bada sheep -.-"
i'm using a WP,

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:43 2

7. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I'm not a bada sheep either.
I just like bada, that is all.
I have used both Symbian, Android, WP7 and bada.
I have come to the conclusion that bada definitely is the best out of these OSes.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 05:11 1

9. uche_dashing (Posts: 11; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


just take a short bus.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 08:46

41. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


Seriously.....what does Bada offer that no other Os offers?
Android,IOS,rim,WP7 and symbian all offer bigger appstores than Bada. Bada's browser is also no match for them winning only against symbian.
Functionality: Android and symbian offer the most functionality out of them all.
Speed: IOS and WP7 hold the best in speed and fluency and style in usage.
Android, WP7,IOS,BB OS, and symbian to some extent all have great flagship smartphones from their respective companies. It's only Bada that seems to have a problem creating a phone that gets a lot of attention.
Low end is ruled by the nokias and the BBs. Bada barely has anything to show off with. All its merits are bested by the other companies leaving it with nothing new, nothing original and nothing worth buying.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 04:44 1

8. krysis (Posts: 76; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)


looking forward to more wp7 phones on verizon. the trophy was a joke and a half.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:09 1

13. Gcombs (Posts: 133; Member since: 22 Aug 2011)


With that statement Mr. McAdam can we get some high end WP7 devices....

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:19 1

15. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I love the idea of a 3rd viable OS option (let's face it, Blackberry is a dying breed), but WP7 has one fatal flaw... it's Microsoft. I'm the target smartphone buyer, and I came of age in the '90s when Microsoft was the evil empire that killed Netscape and bullied their way all over the PC landscape. Windows Phone will never be cool to me, no matter how good they make it.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:28 1

18. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Agree that WP7 will never be cool. It has a ugly UI (according to me), that is why.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:41

23. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


But at least they did something different with it. I don't like the tiled design or the fact that I had to scroll all over the place, but I can't deny it's unique. Some flavours of Android (read: TouchWiz) and bada look way too much like iOS to me.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 08:59

25. dacastrator (unregistered)


Bada is a joke. Also, name sucks.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 10:51 2

32. Forsaken77 (Posts: 547; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


I prefer Android now, but after the Mango release I think WP7 will have superior functionality. Remember Microsoft is a software company. That's what they do. That's why they're so successful. If Nokia, a hardware maker, can bring some high-end phones to market I think they will have a very good chance. Everything for Microsoft is going the way of Windows 8.... The PC, the Xbox 360's dashboard update later this year, and the WP7 OS. They are syncing all of their products, which is feat noone else can claim. I think Xbox Live compatibility is awesome on your phone. I wish android had it with the PS3 (I have them both, PS3 & 360). But the only thing truly holding WP7 back is the hardware. I guarantee once they get a Galaxy S2 type of phone it will take off, especially with Mango. Blackberry is a dying breed, like someone else stated. They would do better to license out their software and leave the hardware sector while they still have some dignity left.

posted on 22 Sep 2011, 18:47

36. Gcombs (Posts: 133; Member since: 22 Aug 2011)


I don't think were to far away from Android and Playstation coming up with something to rival the Xbox live on WP7. They're already Playstation certified Android devices. I happen to like WP7 but I'm waiting for a major high end device on Verizon. My Trophy is good for now.

posted on 23 Sep 2011, 14:45

42. Jordanrcrook (unregistered)


I think your first blockquote may be a bit off... That last bit about Microsoft was in *my* opinion... not McAdam's... just fyi.

Original quote is at Fierce, but your link is broken for them.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/21/verizon-ceo-a-third-mobile-platform-will-emerge-in-the-next-12-months/

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