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Snapdragon 830 may support 8 GB of RAM, claims analyst, to be coded as MSM8998

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Samsung's 12 Gb stacks may grow to 16 Gb next year, letting phone makers pair the future Snapdragon 830 processor with up to 8 GB of RAM

Samsung's 12 Gb stacks may grow to 16 Gb next year, letting phone makers pair the future Snapdragon 830 processor with up to 8 GB of RAM


The ink has barely dried off the Snapdragon 820 press release, but some Snapdragon 830 tidbits are already trickling down the rumor pipe. The first thing we heard about Qualcomm's next great thing, is that it will likely be built on Samsung's next-generation 10nm production process, which is not really hard to fathom, given that the Snapdragon 830 announcement in a year or so will likely coincide with Samsung beginning the mass production of 10nm chips.

Apart from the die shrink from 14nm to 10nm, which will bring with it the inevitable increase in performance and decrease in power draw in the same physical footprint, one industry analyst now claims that Snapdragon 830 may support mobile devices with up to 8 GB of RAM. Given that the Snapdragon 820 specifications clearly state "LPDDR4 1866MHz Dual Channel memory" support, it's not hard to fathom that its successor can deliver the same dual-channel config, but supporting up to 8 GB this time, provided that there are such chips on the market then.

Samsung announced just this September that it has pioneered mass production of 12 Gb (equal to 1.5 GB) LPDDR4 RAM chips, using a 20nm process, and noted in the press release that this would pave the way for smartphones with 6 GB of RAM. Given that there are 8 bits in a byte, a 12 Gb chip holds 1.5 GB of memory, so by stacking four of those 12 Gb chips, future flagships will be able to arrive with 6 GB of DDR4 RAM, if the manufacturer so desires. By this time next year, Samsung might very well announce 16 Gb (2 GB) stacks with an even newer production process, just in time for Snapdragon 830 and its eventual 8 GB RAM support in early 2017 or so. 

It is a totally separate question if we need that much RAM in our phones, but it might be theoretically useful for more specialized tablets, or even future laptops with ARM chipsets. The analyst that tipped the 8 GB RAM support in the upcoming Snapdragon 830, also claims that Qualcomm will code the processor as "8998", which is, again, not hard to predict, given that Snapdragon 820 is MSM8996, while the current Snapdragon 810 is denoted internally as MSM8994. In any case, there is plenty of time between now, and the eventual 830 unveiling, so there should be much more info about Qualcomm's next alleged juggernaut in the coming months.

source: PanJiutang (Weibo) via G4Games

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posted on 01 Dec 2015, 07:57 2

1. dil2abu (Posts: 305; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


8 Gb for a smartphone is definitely an overkill..

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:23 30

7. NonFanBoy (Posts: 146; Member since: 28 May 2015)


8 Gb is definitely not.
8 GB maybe is.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:02 7

13. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Yeah he doesn't know the difference of gigabits and gigabytes.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 11:59 7

25. amats69 (Posts: 1385; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


obviously its a typo error

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 16:40 3

29. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


He probably knows the difference. That is a typing error.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:02 3

12. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


How do you know? Who says it has to be for phones? As the articles says, there are tablets that could make use of it...right?

It make me overkill for "some" phones, but for a phone like the Galaxy Note, 8GB of RAM could mean adding more extended capabilities and maybe even bringing back some of the ones that were remove due to performance issues.

Considering Google is helping Samsung optimize TouchWIz which could mean on Samsung phones TW could be part of the OS instead of a layer that runs on top of it, 6GB-8GB of RAM could be a nice sweet spot for the Note which is a powerhouse device and none even matches it capabilities....NONE!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:16 15

14. Zack_2014 (Posts: 377; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Even with 8GB RAM, am sure Samsung will be able to somehow use up all the RAM and leave behind 400-500mb free xD

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:38 2

18. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Full fledged windows 10 mobile phone would be good with this.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:52 1

21. Shubham412302 (Posts: 431; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


thats what every one said about 2GB, 3GB and 4GB ram sizes and now they are common

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 21:08

32. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1043; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


Its not overkill if its running touchwiz(or should I call it lagwiz?). I wouldn't be surprised if the ram management still sucks and makes it lag even with that much ram.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 07:58 11

2. KRISTIJANJE (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Feb 2015)


Dear Qualcomm, concentrate on not f**king up 820 like you did 810 and 615. And only then we can speak of 830, 840 and beyond.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:42 3

19. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


810 is so f**ked thats i love my M9 thats never lag and run all game smoothly.

615 is so f**ked thats my wife love her Alcatel idol 3 5.5 thats never lag ect.

Stop been an ass the heating problem was overblown.

End result is important not benchmark. smooth UI and gaming mean the SOC is good.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 15:39 1

27. moronman66 (Posts: 162; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)


Nexus 6P is running fine with no overheating issues and not a stutter or hiccup in sight. V2 and V2.1 are far from hot-headed, but you make a good point that they should focus on not making the 820 the same situation at launch.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 17:38

30. manzer (Posts: 33; Member since: 05 Apr 2014)


My Motorola Droid Turbo 2 runs great

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:12 1

3. plasteek (Posts: 115; Member since: 07 Jun 2015)


Before the 830 will be the 821/825 !
821 being the buffed while the 825 being the 8 core variant !

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:13 3

4. gecko (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 Dec 2015)


why they keep on focus on adding up more and more ram?
cant they just focus on optimizing the ui without adding the ram every year?????

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:16 1

5. pmsap (Posts: 78; Member since: 26 May 2015)


Overkill??? Come on... the future is a all-in-one thing (at least for the bigger market segments). Laptops in your pockets. It's no overkill.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:19

6. Martineverest (Posts: 251; Member since: 27 Oct 2015)


8 GB ram on phone OS?... Where is surface phone?.. Smart phones have peaked

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:26

8. B-power (Posts: 242; Member since: 22 Feb 2014)


Whats next 1PB ram?

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 10:33 1

22. Brewski (Posts: 321; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)


TB would be next.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:46 3

9. KeyserSoze (Posts: 138; Member since: 06 Oct 2014)


It's not overkill if future Android phones can be used as a desktop pc like Microsoft's 950XL phone+Continuum. In this case 8GB-16GB of RAM is definitely usable and badly needed.

First thing I'll do with a 16GB RAM phone is run several VM's of desktop OSses on it. It's nice to have OSX, Win10, Ubuntu, Solaris, etc. all running on a tiny smartphone that fits in my pocket!

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 21:16

33. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1043; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


Android is not useful as desktop OS, its pointless to scale it up any further. Android nor any other OS will ever supplant Windows as the dominate OS for desktops. Chrome OS has been a miserable failure, linux and OS-X fail to gain any ground. The only OS at risk of losing ground would be Android. If Microsoft manages to make a Surface Phone with full Windows 10, that would be a true PC-Phone hybrid and if they make more devices like it, and/or other manufacturers do, Microsoft will quickly dominate the market. No other OS can compete.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:53 3

10. alex3run (Posts: 710; Member since: 18 May 2014)


Lol... Cortex A15 supports up to 1 TB of RAM.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 08:58

11. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


A Gaalxy Note 7 with 8GB of RAM would be "totally wicked".

Problem is, with the bad ram management of Android because its a VM, the OS will probably suck up more than 1/2 of it for no reason.

Google really needs to work on that because VMWare has very good RAM management.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 21:20 1

34. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1043; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


Its not just a problem with Android in general, vanilla Android doesn't have nearly the problem with ram management as TouchWiz does. Samsung is just bad at software optimization, period.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:21 3

15. Kumar123 (limited) (Posts: 559; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)


No matter what amount of ram you put in your device the key factor is optimization. Without proper optimization it just become another spec list. Look at Note 5. It has 4 GB ram yet it lose to iPhone 6 at multitasking which has 1 GB ram. Optimization is the key in which Samsung failed miserably with Note 5.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:45 2

20. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Also loose to HTC M9 with 3 gb. ( iphone 6 as well. )

Iphone 6 loose at multitasking vs my wife Alcatel idol 3 with 2 gb as well.

Yes optimization is good but cant overcome physical hardware never forget thats!

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:29

16. Lycan155 (Posts: 249; Member since: 24 Nov 2013)


The sad thing on samsung phones the system would probably take 6 gigs of ram ang only giving the user ti gigs :| i hope they work on fixing how the resources are used

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 09:29

17. janno (Posts: 143; Member since: 19 Aug 2014)


Surprising that Samsung is just now making 20nm RAM for mobile. I thought they were usually ahead of CPUs with using next-gen process nodes for RAM. Or was that for flash?

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 10:34

23. Brewski (Posts: 321; Member since: 05 Jun 2012)


I just got a phone with the 810 today and 820 isn't even out yet! How can you be talking about 830 already!?

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 11:06

24. Chuck007 (Posts: 1053; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


Only if it was x86. Surface Phone with 8GB RAM drool..

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 12:06

26. c.hack (Posts: 603; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)


Droid are up to 4GB and hexacore CPUs, and still get completely crushed by dual core 2GB iPhone 6s.

It reminds me of when Intel kept cranking up their single core CPU higher and higher. They were just too dumb to realize they needed to optimize and not overclock.

With a ridiculously inefficient Android OS with pile of garbage from the manufacturers and carriers weighing it down, no amount of RAM will help.

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 20:10

31. ibend (Posts: 3817; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


1. those dual core is huge, it have more transistor than hexacore..
2. 6,8, or 10 core on android is for battery efficiency, not performance..
3. single core benchmark is totally useless for android, since no app run on single thread

please remember that simple fact

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 16:39

28. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


Agreed!!

posted on 01 Dec 2015, 22:00

35. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Doesn't any 64-bit processor support that.

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