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Samsung reportedly mulling a legal offensive against the new iPhone in Europe as well

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Samsung reportedly mulling a legal offensive against the new iPhone in Europe as well
Hot on the heels of yesterday's news that Samsung will try to ban the sales of Apple's next iPhone in Korea, basing its lawsuit on wireless patents infringement, now comes a Reuters piece alleging the same move in Europe as well.

The "source familiar with the matter" has disclosed that Samsung is planning to ask for an injunction against Apple's iPhone 5, or whatever the retail name ends up to be when it is about to launch next month in Europe, probably basing its counteroffensive on several wireless patents it holds, which will be featured in the new iPhone as well.

Apple is suing Samsung in a number of countries on four different continents, trying to ban sales of its tablets and smartphones for allegedly infringing on design and interface patents it holds. It succeeded in banning the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 from being sold or marketed in Germany, and the injunction in the Netherlands against three smartphones, including the Samsung Galaxy S II, is about to be heard soon, which will eventually affect a large part of Samsung Mobile's EU operations.

The Koreans have obviously decided to go to the mattresses in a tit-for-tat offensive against Apple's new products, if the rumors from yesterday and today are to be believed, which can only make us fatter from all the popcorn we'll eat while watching the catfight.

source: Reuters

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posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:19 11

1. Go Samsung (unregistered)

Finally... go sammy....
Please also in US and worldwide... too... not only Europe and Korea...

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:45 9

8. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

Yessss! ban it from this planet. Build your headquarters somewhere else!

GOOGLE EARTH!!!!! NOT iEarth!!!

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:26 11

2. mambocream (Posts: 29; Member since: 10 Jun 2011)

I SO hope that Apple gets a taste of their own medicine here. They have a lot more to lose if the main device that they offer is banned.

Please... Sammy FTW

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 08:28 5

12. rex1213 (Posts: 77; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)

Exactly... Seeing that Apple only introduce one mobile device per year (or probably a few more this year), this move by Samsung, if successful, will surely cost Apple A LOT of lost profit.

On the other hand, if Samsung's Galaxy line is banned from sales, the effect of it, though still substantial, will not be as severe a blow Apple will suffer when its sole mobile device is banned from sales. It's all because Samsung's Galaxy line isn't the sole lineup of phones Samsung have.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how these chain of events end up. I'm never a big fan of all these lawsuits but still, it is a wee bit interesting to see a company like Samsung striking back on a patent troll like Apple.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:29 6

3. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)

am i the only one that is surprised that none of the other major companies are following samsung in court? or will these legal battles eventually eat into profits

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:33 8

4. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Samsung please do everything you can to show Apple that 2 can play at this game. Apple fears Samsung, but Samsung will only do this as not revenge but to TEACH Apple a lesson. I am all for it Samsung, do everything in your power to drop the hammer on Apple's weak, yellow, scared a$s. lol Apple Samsung is huge, & will make your life very complicated. lol Apple you aked for it! :-)

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:33 3

5. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

the hypocrisy is amazing.

every apple sues story is met with "apple is evil for this" "these suits are so bad for the consumer".........

every apple is getting sued story is met with "yeah! screw apple" "theyre getting what they deserve"

its a back and forth. it is not all apples fault. they are not the evil super power that you fandroids make them out to be. all these law suits are terrible for the consumer.

grow up.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:57 1

9. mambocream (Posts: 29; Member since: 10 Jun 2011)

I agree that they are bad for the consumer. Fewer choices means higher prices. We all know that.

The support here for Samsung is due to the constant barrage by Apple towards anybody and everybody they can file a lawsuit against, and it is NOT to get paid for patent infringements, because that could be settled out of court. It is to BAN other manufacturers' hardware.

I would love to see this all stop and let everyone compete for customer loyalty by producing the best hardware that they can instead of by blocking out the competition with lawsuits.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:10 1

27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

have you read the article earlier today that showed the chart of lawsuits? Apple is not the only company suing.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 17:54 1

55. rex1213 (Posts: 77; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)

Apple is not the only company suing, yes. But we can't deny the fact that they are the only company that has the balls and the nerve to sue just because of gesture, menu icons, phone design and etc.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:58 7

10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

thats because apple is bullying. samsung is retaliating to get them to come to a standstill and stop the stupid lawsuits. it wont happen unless samsung boxes apple into the same corner that apple is putting samsung in.

and from the sounds of it, samsung has the stronger case.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:37

23. waveydavey (unregistered)

This is the kind of logic that has led to unrest in the middle of east for **literally** centuries.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:05 2

25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Samsung has the stronger case based on what? Can you give us the legal breakdown on their patents?

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 20:49 1

59. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

because samsung IS SUING FOR PATENTS.

Apple is suing for similar designs.. which are NOT patents.

patents if proven valid are a black and white lawsuit, where designs are subject to personal opinion.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 08:35 5

13. TOdoubleD (Posts: 114; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)

It is bad for the consumer, and you can thank Apple for starting all these silly lawsuits and the patent war. These companies were left with no choice. It wouldn't have been back and forth if Apple would've just embraced the competition, and let it push them to be more innovative. Instead they chose to try and eliminate the competition. And just so you know it's not just the "fandroids" that feel this way. I'm typing this on my iPhone 4 right now.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 09:14 2

15. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

i would agree with you 100% if it wasnt for the fact that apple started all this banning bull first, if it was samsung who started with the banning i would hate them too but it was apple and samsung is just fighting fire with fire...if apple just sued like every other company where they get money for the infringement instead of banning a product from consumers then i dont think there would be such a fuss.just look at microsoft they are not trying to ban android they are happy with getting paid for any infringments on there patents but nooo apple want to ban,just shows they are not happy to accept competition..what do you expect samsung to sit back and accept all the suing from apple...i new this was coming, samsung is one of the biggest companys in the world and has a large portfolio of patents and i would not be surprised if apple were infringing on a few...i dont want to see the iphone banned cause i got an ip4 and may actually get the next one myself...but hopefully this will give apple a dose of there own medicine and maybe they will have a rethink and realise that maybe banning is not the way and start competeing with products like they once did and if there is any infringments then accept loyalties like everyone else....if every company wanted to ban for infringments then we would not have half the thing we have today.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 09:46 1

18. ilia1986 (unregistered)

ayephoner - I will explain.

You see, when Apple banned the Galaxy tab, and the Galaxy S - and threatened to ban many other devices as well - that was a serious threat to consumer choice and competition - because the consumer was stripped from many different products at once.

Now - if Samsung is successful at this - the consumer will be stripped from only max 2 choices - the iPhone and the iPad.

Maybe - that way it will cause people to consider buying something else other than a shiny pricey brick with an apple logo on it - which is you know - good, seeing as Apple is the only brand which has blind fanaticism going for it which significantly affects sales and overall customer perception.

When you got too many people seeing nothing but McDonalds as food - and outright refusing to eat anything else - maybe forcing them to eat something else for once - has its benefits.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:36 1

22. waveydavey (unregistered)

There's a word for that: fascism.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:44 1

24. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Care to explain?

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:11 2

28. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

you're such an idiot it's not even funny

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:28 1

30. ilia1986 (unregistered)

I believe that statement is to be addressed to yourself, taco.

I am eagerly waiting for the day in which the iPhone will be banned in the US. No doubt, this will probably create mass hysteria.

Only then will a lot of people be unplugged from the Apple Matrix - and embrace the real free world.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:48 1

32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Maybe people get the iPhone because it's a superior product. Adults don't care about live wall paper and widgets. Those features are more for teenage girls.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:57

34. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Maybe. And maybe people get the iPhone because they are so brainwashed by Apple's marketing campaign that they don't know better - literally.

Fact: Android allows you to have the freedom to customize your device the way you want. iPhone does not.

Therefore, anyone who buys an iPhone is either brainwashed - or is intentionally limiting oneself when it comes to his\her smartphone customization.

I admit - I belong in the latter group. What I didn't realize is how hard would I want to customize my phone after several months of using it.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:33

39. waveydavey (unregistered)

A world is not free if you have to force people to choose something new. Your statement is a contradiction of terms my friend. It is not the courts' place to mandate which choices are available, even if it includes a more expansive selection.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:37

41. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Well of course not. I am not saying that Samsung banning Apple would be good overall for the consumers in terms of choice. I am just saying that Samsung banning Apple in the US would have positive side effects as well.

Why I eagerly anticipate this to happen? Two reasons:

1. I don't live in the US.
2. I do not plan to get another iPhone. Ever. Nor do I know anyone who does, personally.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:44

42. waveydavey (unregistered)

Choice IS what is good for consumers. In fact you admit this your self in the post that gives a negative connotation who CHOOSE to limit the CHOICE they have in customizing their phones. I am looking for some logical consistancy here, and I'm finding it hard to find some.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:53

44. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Yes but you see - when you see so many people CHOOSING NOT TO CHOOSE as in - buying an iPhone - and CHOOSING consciously to LIMIT themselves in terms of CHOOSING how their phone looks, sounds and behaves, one might think that LIMITING the former choice, and thus FORCING people to CHOOSE rather than AVOID CHOOSING is a necessary step in an effort to preserve the very idea of CHOICE.

Hard to grasp, I know. In short - too many people are limiting themselves. that is of course their choice - but ultimately - I believe that is serves no good for mankind. And I am not the only one.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 17:08

51. waveydavey (unregistered)

So, people choose a phone which has limited customization options. Let's say that's because they don't care about the other options. That's their...you guessed it...CHOICE. And then you come along and tell them, they need to have the choice to choose something different, which they do, and they continue to choose a phone which limits their CHOICE (in regards, of course, to live wallpapers and ringtones etc). But, that's just not good enough for you, so you take away their choice to choose in order to preserve their choice to...choose? my friend, your logic makes no sense. Essentially, you have changed the names and kept the terms of the patriot act: In order to preserve freedom, we must limit it. HAHAHAHAHAHA I scoff at thee.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 21:36

64. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Sometimes it's true. Remember Nazi Germany. What would you have preferred? To intervene and force people NOT to vote for the Nazi party by banning it Even though it's entirely not democratic? Or let them all be?

Sometimes it's necessary - because the public doesn't know any better.

I believe that in regards to cellphones - it's necessary right now.

Think I'm overreacting? Then I urge you to read "1984" by George Orwell. See for yourself how what Apple does now - can easily lead the entire world into what goes in that book.

Btw taco - I'm 24 - and if you were unable to grasp my logic in my previous post - unlike waveydavey who at least did - that means that you're either below 16 - or mentally retarded. Which is something we all know anyway regardless of which one it is.

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 11:21

68. waveydavey (unregistered)

I have read that book many times. Trust, if any company comes close to mirroring that book, it is the beloved Google.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 15:57 1

50. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Ilia is probably not even 21 yet. Give him some time and he'll be able to put his thoughts down on paper.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 23:45

65. wumberpeb (Posts: 453; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)

Illia is way off course here, I don't agree at all. The world doesn't revolve around one phone, but taking away an option for consumers cold turkey (like taking crack from an addict?) is the most idiotic thing I've heard all day...it won't be "a good thing" for anyone

And while what apple did to block sales of one of their largest competitors was cowardly and cheap, I certainly don't condone Samsung from doing the same damn thing. The whole patent war is one big legal tactic after another, just plain dumb. Doesn't serve their customers any better...

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 00:48

66. ilia1986 (unregistered)

I am sorry, wumberpeb - but if you look at almost every gadget\tech\phone site there is - the world DOES revolve around one phone. Everyone is talking about the iPhone. Apps for iphone, games for iphone cases for iphone, bags for iphone, dolls for iphone, when will the iphone 5 come out, what hardware will it have when will the next iphone software come out etc etc etc. It's always iPhone iPhone iPhone.

We are talking about one single type of phone here. It has 28% of the world market. Sure, Android phones have significantly more - 40% - but we are talking about 28% of the people in the US - who want to buy a smartphone - get to buy an iPhone. So I am sorry - the world - when it comes to smartphones - does revolve around the iPhone. That's one of the things which trouble me.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 20:50 1

60. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

sure it is, because your still the bigger idiot taco. :)

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:22 1

37. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)

this is the biggest bull i have read in the last month... wow somehow you manage to get worse ...

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:34 1

21. waveydavey (unregistered)

you stole the words right outta my keyboard here. Apple does it and they're a bunch of douches. Sammy does it and suddenly it's righteous revenge. get a clue people.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:36

6. Mercenary (unregistered)

hahaha too funny

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 07:38

7. Mercenary (unregistered)

sure they will not succeed

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 08:18 5

11. tech-head (Posts: 133; Member since: 02 Sep 2011)

See what you started apple.....

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 08:47

14. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)

I can imagine Samsung banning the iphone 5, and are not willing to come to a agreement of Apple letting them sell their galaxy phones, and Samsung not letting Apple sell the iphone 5.
Instead, Samsung bans the iPhone 5, and sell only bada phones as Apple has banned their galaxy phones : )

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 09:16

16. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

lol your just to funny peter...i have to give it too you though,you stick by your product without being a idiot..

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 09:16

17. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)

Apple cannot produce anything beside bought and assembled components at the other companies in China. Apple has $75 billions to spend on lawsuits and spend little in research and developments.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 10:44 1

19. rf1975 (Posts: 258; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)

Som, I don't know where are you living.....
All apple product are design by apple and assemble in asian countries to reduce cost. If your logic is correct, then any company following Apple can become no. 1 without much effort.
Think before talk..........

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:23 2

29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

He's a fandroid and not capable of thinking

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 10:45

20. ken (unregistered)

Iam disappointed that taco, Miz till this length of disccusion not to join this fun fair with their entertaining comments. Go Sammy go, Apples out of wits now.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:08 1

26. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Totally agree with ayephoner. The hypocrisy is amazing. All the people that screamed that banning a product is bad for the consumer and bad for competition. All the fandroids saying that Apple is evil. Now the same people are saying go Samsung. Ban Apple from the whole world.

The funny/sad thing is that you guys are still self righteous and don't see how ridiculous you sound. Let's be honest with yourselfs and just admit that regardless of what Apple does you will hate them and anything bad that happens to Apple you will cheer.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:38 1

31. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)

okay lemme give you an example.
if a serial killer goes all out and starts killing people cos he's scared, its bad. if those people kill him, then, it's called justice.
Please, if that is too complicated for your single core brain to understand, i do flash cards too :)

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:50 2

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Except Apple wasn't the first to sue and ip and murder are two totally different things.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:03 2

36. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)

okay, you want me to switch to flash cards now?
listen Taco, weren't you the one saying Samsung infringed on IP, so they should be sued? lol yep so why are YOU calling US hypocrites?

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:31

38. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)

when Apple sued.. it was bad for consumer for Samnsung consumer being deprived for not being able to get e Samsung product.. and now I havent seen any fandroids concern about Apple followers being deprived of their products... like i said hypocrites...

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:34

40. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

hello look down for my comment on this matter, and you as well as everyone knows of my dislike for Apple

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 14:04

45. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)

lol i was mad because they sued for it looking like.... a black/white box.

also, NONE of this would have happened if apple hadn't sued... so tit for tat you know?

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 20:55

61. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

has apple been banned yet? then what have you been deprived of? besides, you dont even own an iphone.. your self deprivating.. lol

if/when apple bans samsung they will come to some agreement to stop suing eachother and rescind legal fights in all countries, and we can all go back to enjoying our tech without legal drama.


ill put it in small words

When the picked on kid (samsung) hits the bully (apple) and gives him a black eye (ban them), the bully will decide that picking on that kid is no longer fun and will not do it again. they will agree to just ignore each other (unban everything) and go about their lives.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:02

35. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

But the problem lies with those who believe it is wrong and hypocritical to kill someone as a punishment for killing someone.
Now here's the kicker it is probably a bigger problem if Samsung is successful in banning the i5, because while Sammy has other lines of phones Apple has one. Bringing me to "nice guys finish last" Don't stoop to thier level Unca Sammy sue them for financial gain in their using of your patents for their products. Then hope they do well in sales so they have to pay more to you.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:47

43. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)

dude if they pay you for you comment... you are ripping people off..

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 14:13

46. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

so I guess I'm kinda like Apple then

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 17:11 1

52. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)

i was thinking more like a rent to own programs... ;-)

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 14:14

47. andro. (Posts: 1998; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)

Apple just vommited over this news........more worryingly they vommited all over islaves below at their feet who just bathe in the mess

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 15:09 1

48. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)

I don't think what we're seeing here is hypocrisy. What we are seeing is people cheering a company that took the initiative to strike back at a bully. Apple has been suing any company using Android OS, at least those that seem to be major competition for the iPhone at least. Even in their own lawsuits, Apple only names the high-end smartphones, while totally ignoring the mid range and low end smartphone made by the same manufactures. Ex. Apple never made any move to ban the Samsung Continuum, or the HTC Aria, but they went after the GS, and GS2. Why not include those phones in this "legitimate" lawsuit where you feel you UI was copied? These phones use a version of the same UI, so why not? And why would Samsung wait for Apple to ban their products in other countries first instead for taking a page from the Apple play book? You guys think Samsung copies everything from Apple anyway, so I would have anticipated this move from the beginning.

Android fans are seeing this whole thing for exactly what it is...Apple wants to be the number one OS on the market and can't get there with high end Androids standing in it's way. So Apple takes a different approach by trying to eliminate the competition through litigation since they can't win in the market place. Now the competition is fighting back and iOS fans just don't like it. But hey, Apple set this whole thing in motion with the bogus lawsuits. So deal with it!

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 17:17

53. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)

very strong points.. like always... but I disagree that Apple wants to be the number one OS as they would have gone after Windows... and also you stated that Apple cannot compete in the maketplace... how can that be when every Android phones gets compare to the one year old phone the iphone4..which still out sells most new android devices.... imagine when the iphone5... i think that is mostly Android competing with Apple.. whay I say this....simple... they rushed the Xoom to compete with the ipad...Apple brings out products that wil be popular and could care less about the launch date for the Prime or the Bionic... is usually the other way around...

ps.. my position on this patent war doesnt change regardless of whom is being sued... unlike most Android followers

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