Report: Samsung and LG saying no to 4K displays on their 2016 phones
1. kabiluddin (Posts: 171; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
The alleged reasons behind this decision lie in the idea that Samsung Display and LG Display have yet to solve the overheating and power efficiency issues that seem to be linked with their 4K displays. I think its the main reason for their decision.
9. Busyboy (Posts: 529; Member since: 07 Jan 2015)
Probably. And isn't it ironic that Samsung said they'd make a 4k display on a 2015 smartphone, yet now they say they won't make it even in 2016. Kudos to Sony
13. kabiluddin (Posts: 171; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
I think Samsung and LG made the right decision. There is no need to rush to tech that they haven't perfected yet.
Xperia Z5 Premium is just Sony's statement to the world that LOOK we have the tech that nobody has yet. I personally is against 4K screen in smartphone. Given the choice between 1080p vs 4K screen I would absolutely take 1080p screen. But I know that you can't say no to technological progress. That being said I think Z5P is an awesome smartphone, especially Chrome version looks awesome.
40. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
Hi, the over heating is if you use 4K all the time and to do what Sony as done, you have to run the phone in crap 1080p for most of the time, I.e. You can not use 2k
34. belovedson (Posts: 975; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
If they wanted to they can there is no point.... I think the article pointed towards that direction
36. rd_nest (Posts: 1578; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Just making something for the sake of doing it makes to sense. I am pretty sure if they wanted, both LG/Samsung could make it. Afterall they are the display kings.
But the point is that whether consumers are demanding such display, and what's the cost-benefit ratio. 4K will obviously cost more, will consume more energy. So does it make sense for them to release it market? Will cosumers pay the extra price?
It's not a question of technology, but a question of whether the market will pay for such device?
37. romeo1 (Posts: 703; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)
That's not true. Samsung and lg would be making a 4k device if they could. They brought out qhd while the consumers didn't demand such a screen. Samsung brought out the s6 without a sd but did the consumers demanded that?
No they didn't but samsung still brought it out. The manufacturers will always lie if it benefits their products.
41. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
Hahahahahahaha, they not using them as per what I just said before, if they run them all the time they overheat the CPU and so on and if it's limited window then you have to run them in 1080p
And not 2k, so they not doing it to they can run them all the time, that and downloading content on the go for 4K is a joke
I.e. To view 4K on YouTube why on the bus, oh and that also not support by Sony, just preloaded files using there own apps and the image looks better on Samsung 2k oled anyways, so it's doa
44. romeo1 (Posts: 703; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)
It's a matter of taste whayt you like more but don't talk bs. They just aren't far enough with the oped in 4k samsung would make it as they said they would but couldn't. It's as simple as that the benefits of 2k vs 1080p isn't noticeable in the menus when you glance at you phone. Only when watching movies its beneficial so sony made the right decision by using 1080p in menu's etc. It benefits the battery life and performance
2. bucky (Posts: 2448; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Very smart. Apart from 4K pc gaming I still couldn't care for 4K big screens. Even then, my 980 wouldn't get me my desired 120 fps.
3. dmakun (Posts: 306; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
Wow! But I'll believe this when I see the screen resolution of Samsung's note 6
4. tokuzumi (Posts: 880; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)
At least there are 2 smart companies. 4K on a phone is going to be useless.
32. combatmedic870 (Posts: 548; Member since: 02 Sep 2015)
When processors/GPU's can handle it. 4K will be useful for VR headsets. Somys wat of doing things is smart. Just make it UHD and 4K when doing other things. Like picture viewing, playback in 4K, VR.
There is a lot of potential here. I always thought UHD was useless until I used my sisters note 5 with Samsung VR. You can definately see the the pixels. I have 15/20 vision close up. So for people like me it can be disorienting.
42. j2001m (Posts: 2758; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
If you run 4K temp you have to go down to 1080p so 2k is out, not good
5. xperiaZlover (Posts: 180; Member since: 15 Nov 2015)
Although Sony had a real 4k panel.
it was a good move by Sony to render only pictures and videos in 4k.
And games and UI in FHD.
Hope they do the same for the Z6.
And I believe it is a good move by Samsung and LG as well not to use a 4k resolution natively.because of gaming performance doubts.
I think Samsung might use a 4k panel even though PA says they won't.
6. Podrick (Posts: 374; Member since: 19 Aug 2015)
Good move. Bring 4k when you make it more efficient and/or improve the battery technology.
7. zeeBomb (Posts: 1734; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
I still think Samsung will dish out at least one phone in 2016, ONE to prove the world they can make the best 4k display on a smartphone... and then that's it.
8. maherk (Posts: 3368; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Everyone should say no to 4k displays. Actually, everyone should move back to 1080 screens, or just make screen resolution like memory, offer the phone in different models.
14. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)
maherk, you'll keep on saying that untill when Apple decides to jump on the QHD bandwagon, you'll then claim 1080p to be retarded and useless.
17. bucky (Posts: 2448; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
theres a reason why apple hasnt bothered to jump to 4k or QHD screens in the first place.
22. maherk (Posts: 3368; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
And there is a big reason why they shouldnt, 1080 is more than enough for smartphones.
I ve had the Note 4, S6, and now the Note 5, so i ve been enjoying QHD displays for more than a year now, and my eyes should be used to it by now. But still, when i pick up a 1080 smartphone, i can't tell the difference, at all.
19. bodzio1809 (Posts: 356; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
You are new here? He is Samsung fanboy :D
I say yes to 4K displays if battery life will be atleast the same and I will be able to choose resolution for games, UI, videos etc.
20. maherk (Posts: 3368; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Man you can't give an opinion on this site without getting accused of being a fanboy to an X oem. It is sad and funny at the same time.
I lean towards Samsung when it comes to smartphone flagships, and have an iPad mini 3, and a Huwaei Watch as well as to a Gear S2. But hey, I am an Apple fanboy now lol
23. bodzio1809 (Posts: 356; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
What you like better Gear S2 or HW? HW is finally aviable in my country and I checked it(Gear S2 too). Best smartwatch I have ever seen, but it's too small for my taste(I want bigger screen) and I would want LCD screen that reflects light instead of displaying it. I don't remember name of that screen type. I think that last Sony smartwatch use that kind of screen. Mirasol? It's definetly the best screen for smartwatch because it don't need backlight. Only for dark places.
25. maherk (Posts: 3368; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
The size of the screen will eventually grow into you.
I had the original Moto 360 for 6 months, and when I get the HW i kinda regreted it because it felt so small. But with time i got used to it's screen size and now i cannot go bigger. Then I got the Gear S2 while keep the HW, but yet again, I felt that screen is a bit small for my own taste. Few days after, I appreciated it's screen size more since you can do most of the tasks using that brilliant rotating bezel.
The Gear S2 delivers the better experience out of the 2. Rotating bezel, faster heart rate monitor, ambient light sensor, amazing battery life with wireless charging, no red tint on its amoled screed unlink the HW, and blazing fast UI.
The HW isn't bad by any means, but the S2 takes my vote out of the 2.
26. bodzio1809 (Posts: 356; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
Thanks for the answer. Do you got normal or classic S2? I will probably wait for new year smartwatches. If I am not wrong Qualcomm is finally making soc designed for smartwatches. Maybe moto360 v3 will have finally full rounded screen in AMOLED or mirasol like tech. Also Samsung will maybe introduce bigger S3. I have a large wrists.
30. maherk (Posts: 3368; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
I am 5,10 and the S2 sits perfectly on my wrist.
I did get the sport, it looks cleaner imo, and the bezels looks nicer, not to mention it can go with casual or sports clothes, if that makes sense.
35. belovedson (Posts: 975; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
so how about this make 1080p screens and enable all new phones that can record in 4k. then when the viewer watched the recorded video that's in 4k on there 1080p screen they are left confused by how large the size is when they try and upload.... makes sense right
10. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
Wise decision. Even Sony is making 4K only for a niche product and not their main flagship(z5).
I hope it never happens.The only use of 4K is for marketing, and VR.
11. Landon (Posts: 375; Member since: 07 May 2015)
The only reason (in my opinion) to have a 4K display on a phone is for VR reasons. The Note 5 definitely has a screen door effect when using the Gear VR headset but it would be amazing if the display was 4K.
12. talon95 (Posts: 428; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
Wise move, VR is still the only real practical application for it. And until batteries are better most users aren't interested in the trade-offs.
33. combatmedic870 (Posts: 548; Member since: 02 Sep 2015)
Plug phone into VR headset with a 2000 mah battery built in. I'd say built into the strap.
15. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 7921; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
I personally don't care if they stay with 1440 for a couple years until they can improve performance without taxing the battery.
But then again, with Fast Charging and USB Type-C which supports fast charging, I wouldnt have a problem with it.
Since Samsung's 1440 displays only use as much power or less than typical lame LCD 1080p displays, it shows they have the engineering skills to certainly pull it off.
if the tech isn't really ready, there is no rush to have it.
4K tv's are finally at a point you can get very nice ones even curved for less than $1500.
Once they can make them at a reasonable cost, without upping the cost of the phone and it uses only as much power as 1440p, then it will be worth it. I am sure the 2017 S8 and Note 7 will have them. Even if the only way to pull it off if to make sure those phones that sport them have 4000mah batteries.
16. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 974; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
Great move by Samsung and LG. The Sony Xperia Z5 Premium has to pointlessly run the UI at 1080P. If the Display and UI can be run at 4K all the time as with 2K, THEN only bring 4K. :)
As it is, Samsung's 2K SuperAMOLED are just as good if not better than the Z5P 4K.
18. Shocky (Posts: 2122; Member since: 16 May 2012)
Right decision for the wrong reasons is still the right decision. :D
21. SuperAndroid507 (Posts: 236; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)
Honestly, I would like to have a 4K device just for the sake of show-off, nothing else.
24. SK_WS (Posts: 43; Member since: 17 Apr 2015)
when apple releases a 4k display iphone then everybody will follow
28. jeroome86 (Posts: 801; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
That's a smart decision. Thought the 2k jump happen little to soon also. But I know some people they can spot the difference real easy. Now concentrate on battery life and performance.
29. geordie8t1 (Posts: 38; Member since: 16 Nov 2015)
Can somebody honestly tell me what good use there is for a 4k screen on a device as small as 5-6 inch, i mean it would be overkill on a laptop, but on a phone come on, please, only grown up responses from people who can debate properly, i understand that it was bragging rights but other then that what is the real world difference between QHD and 4K? your eyes will NEVER see that kind of fine detail under normal usage conditions, i wish these companies would improve things that actually need developing like batteries, storage capacities or even next gen devices, i mean come on the slab design is way outdated now already
31. Baracus (Posts: 223; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
All a 4K display does is eat up the already limited battery power flagship phones get with absolutely no benefits since no one on earth can see the difference between 2K & 4K unless through magnifying lenses.
38. legiloca (Posts: 1102; Member since: 11 Nov 2014)
I think Sammy and LG will only make 4K displays for the public once they could accomplish 60fps on 2K mode.
39. oozz009 (Posts: 476; Member since: 22 Jun 2015)
Good decision not to go with 4K. It would only slow down GPU and most stuff you do in a smartphone does not even support 4K anyhow (games, watching videos, etc)
43. hado86 (Posts: 70; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)
Unless there's been some miracle in battery life than good job Samsung and LG!