Nokia debunks the Android rumor, sends over a different translation of CEO Elop's quote
1. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Man please NOKIA if u really want to save yourselfs. AT LEAST make a few ANDROID hand sets then you see your sales WILL SKY ROCKET.
19. MeoCao (unregistered)
For Elop and WP fanboys, a Nokia bankrupt with WP is way better than a Nokia topping the world with Android.
61. rex1213 (Posts: 77; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)
As much as I dislike Elop, I would say I don't think it is Elop. Because even before Elop came as CEO of Nokia, most Nokia veterans already DID NOT consider and NEVER saw Nokia adopting Android as their platform of choice. The culture inside Nokia is responsible for this.
108. MeoCao (unregistered)
You should know how hard it is for people to admit mistakes. Elop and Nokia board do not want to admit that they were so wrong about Android and over confident about their own ecosystem. I remember they showed contempt to Android by using bad words...
All Elop and the board want is saving their face (and their seats). Nokia survival and success always come in 2nd place.
110. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
True +1 from. Buy the way who cares Nokia and WP8 public have no interest like how it was before, I, we, everyone remembers back 4years ago there was a big hype for Nokia N series, but now it's faded away from people's heart, even I was a big Nokia fan and I still own the Nokia 8800 Carbon Arte.
116. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
No interest? Is Windows phone in decline? Go check your figure (not 4 years ago) before you spew nonsense.
118. MeoCao (unregistered)
You are very ignorant, if you follow the events you know that WP market share is declining all the time and is less than BB or even Symbian and Bada in some markets
130. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Look who is ignorant still reading old news. I give you the current events-
134. MeoCao (unregistered)
when more people are buying the total number will increase, that happens to most OSes I guess.
And you should look at non WP sites to have a independent view.
This is latest Comscore report: WP marketshare declined 20% in 3 months
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137. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
You are misleading the public again with your old data. Nov. 12? Nokia 920/others was just introduced near that date. And besides the market is not US alone. MS annouced 5x increase of sale during xmas compared to last. A stunning 11.8% increase in Italy and threatening iPhone in Southern Europe. There could be even more if Nokia is not having trouble ramping up the production of new Lumia 920 according to Kanta Worldpanel results. You haven't heard yet of China market. India is about to open. So you wait for Q1 stat and we talk again.
141. MeoCao (unregistered)
The report you have is about only WP
You need to look at the reports about the market share of mobile market in general. Italy is exception rather than the norm.
144. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Just admit that you're being ignorant. This report is enough to refute your claim that WP marketshare is in decline. You don't have concrete evidence either, only speculations from ANAL-lyst.
120. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Soon WP8 will be an epic fail, look what happened to W1234567 & now 8, look at the time line!
142. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3268; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
And you think Android had a runaway success with Android Alpha and Android Beta?? I might not be wrong to tell you that most people don't know shizz about Android before 2.3 happened...
I'm not dissin' Android here, but be reasonable on how you reply.
22. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 373; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Lets assume if Nokia makes 2 smartphones,1 android & another WP with same specs.Which will sell more? obviously Android.I don't understand why Nokia is not taking a test drive with android,Because stephen Elop is lying as a CEO in Nokia.In android we even get the WP8 launcher,ios launcher etc for people getting bored of same UI.Samsung went from no mobile to top mobile.
66. -box- (Posts: 3982; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
So what all you android and are saying is that you are so secretly dissatisfied with the current android offerings and/or what you already have that you and others like you would flock to buy a Nokia android with the expectation that it would have the Nokia magic of not having the same problems other OEMs have been dealing with since the platform came out 5 years ago? Yes, its hardware prowess is paramount, but I doubt even Nokia could make android not buggy and problematic, if only because android runs on the Java virtual machine. It would easily be the best android, but it wouldn't be the best overall.
Just give in: WP is the superior OS for most consumers, and sales are picking up.as more consumers realize it and commit to it. Nokia is leading the way on the best overall mobile platform, and unless there is a huge overhaul for android 5, it will keep having frustrated customers who look for something more reliable and easy to use.
67. jroc74 (Posts: 5645; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I dont think there is a mobile OS, desktop OS alive that doesnt have issues. You talk like WP is perfect...
Its like this....If Android was sooo buggy and problematic and WP was soo perfect....word of mouth woulda helped WP and hurt Android by now. Doesnt seem to be that way tho, now does it?
69. -box- (Posts: 3982; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I have Windows Phone (7.5), and it's far from perfect (HTML5 may be the future but I wouldn't mind Flash NOW, plus built-in FM broadcaster and USB OTG, among others), but it is the most comprehensively satisfying and pleasant mobile OS on the general market. I tried Android on 3 different devices of my own, and numerous of others' more recently, and they have all been unsatisfactory, either with layout, features, bugginess, restarts, or plain unintuitiveness. It's a wide margin better than ios or BB7, and would be my preference if those were the only other choices. Also, it works - quite well - for MANY people, but for most users, I would surmise, they only use it out of ignorance or inability to try something newer and typically better - same reason Toyota and GM sell a lot of cars, not due to quality necessarily, but because they're what are popular and available, while smaller purist companies like Mazda and Volvo, with more innovations and better overall experience, are overlooked.
Android has its place, and better it than ios; personally I hope/predict WP and Android will be the mainstream duopoly ASAP, with BB in third and the top five rounded out with Sailfish and Tizen or bada.
78. jroc74 (Posts: 5645; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And the reason the old WIn Mo disappeared when Android came on the scene?
Like I said....word of mouth woulda helped WP alot more and hurt Android alot more if Android was so buggy, problematic. Funny....cuz each Motorola Android phone I got has been better than the previous one. Samsung and HTC? A lil different story.
Sometimes...its the manufacture, not the OS.
127. Dastrix (unregistered)
You are right, I couldn't agree more that a Motorola is far less buggy than an HTC. I used to have an HTC Hero, and man, that thing reached brick-status after two months. However, as -box- said, ignorance is the biggest issue. It not only affects the different ecosystems, but it is relevant within Android itself. Sadly, there seems to be a compromise between quality and quantity, as it has always been. People are just too ignorant to realize that there's more to Android than just a single brand.
123. Dastrix (unregistered)
Very well said!
148. steelicon (Posts: 316; Member since: 02 Apr 2011)
No matter how the Nokia PR spin-doctors spin Elop's recent gaffe, the cat is out of the bag : For the first time, Elop flinched from "Plan B is for Plan A to succeed, there is no Plan B, etc.,"
Nokia PR and Marketing spin-doctors you were caught lying between the teeth before, so no surprises here.
10. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Your comment is equally irrelevant. Just so you know that.
3. geniusjatt (Posts: 17; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
oh come on Nokia, you have the best hardware but think about OS
4. gazmatic (Posts: 699; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
How many vendors sell Android phones? How many are profitable? You have at least fifty different Android manufacturers yet only three or four are noticed: Samsung LG Motorola and Sony.
HTC has Android.... Doesn't stop the bleeding
7. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Same can apply as for windows, none of the guys with windows phone she having any better field, HTC is there because its user interface is clumsy and dated plus HTC is not a well known brand, is fairly new, Motorola was loosing money long before Android, it it wasn't for the droid it would be dead, now topped the best seller Verizon phones, LG didint even knew what a smartphone was. yeah everyone is into android... But Nokia could topple the charts
65. jroc74 (Posts: 5645; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Exactly. Its been 2 years....WP still isnt growing as fast as MS and Nokia would like. Nokia is probably barely making a profit, while everyone else is ine the same boat you claim Nokia would be if they did an Android phone.
HTC, Samsung and LG have both Android and WP phones....take a guess which one they make the most money on... For him to say Nokia wont make a profit with an Android phone....that means he dont think they can compete in Android land.
And there is not at least 50 different Android manufactures for phones. Maybe phones and tablets combined...I see at least 35 for phones. If Nokia would do Android.....they would be noticed along with the other main phone players.
6. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Duh!? Do people still believe he was not a Microsoft Trojan horse? And android Nokia device will probably top the charts with ease , yet he prefers to loose share and share month after moth, the safe way to play is play on both grounds
12. putyongka (Posts: 36; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Duh! Read the news. Windows phone is gaining traction, not losing share by month. It's selling 5x better than last Christmas. More quality phones coming from Nokia this 2013. The only way is up.
43. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
With all the campaign they are putting? I mean they are totally burning money to promote this, so I don't find it surprising at all :/ 5 times means nothing is still less than many android manufacturers did....
45. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
And dude I'm talking about Nokia, if you read last charts Nokia's sales have gone downhill
8. SIGPRO (Posts: 920; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
Nokia should never use Android, Android is a laggy and slow os.
I am glad they chose WP, i use a ICS device now but man i will be so glad to get rid off it.
Also i use a N9 and Meego is one of the best os out there.
I think in a few years ios and android shares will decline.
Because there are new players in the market and Samsung the biggest company that uses Android will focus on Tizen!
28. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
just an ICS phone? Man, you are so out of the loop when it comes to Android...no more opinions from you, please, until you have some experience...thanks
75. papss (unregistered)
That same policy would apply to 100% of android users..
128. Dastrix (unregistered)
OMG! That was hilarious!
44. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
How are you so sure? same was said about bada a year ago, and I saw some major players from Samsung android lineup, why would they focus on making a whole OS when they can use less resources and grab someone else's, Tizen will be a scapegoat, deal with it
9. putyongka (Posts: 36; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
It buffles me why Android fans keep on insisting. WP OS is better than crap and ugly Android, and thus only fitting to win the war by diffentiating yourself from the crop of static clowns out there. Don't be a fool peeing in your pants waiting for nothing. You'll be amaze at how awesome Nokia 920 is if you switch rather than dreaming for a quality phone from Nokia.
15. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
What you don't understand is that Android is Nokia's best bet to get out of their trouble in a relatively short time. Nokia hasn't exactly that well off since the handshake with Microsoft. WP will eventually be there, but Nokia limiting themselves to only WP at this moment is a mistake. Release an Android phone and Nokia market share will jump crazy. I'm not speaking with a bias toward WP since I'm also interested in WP, but haven't exactly found a design I'm fond for. For Nokia's sake, get a couple of Android phones out there. This is something that the previous Nokia CEO believes also. Once again, Elop's an idiot.
18. putyongka (Posts: 36; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Ok. To make you happy, Nokia will release only one Android phone (like Ativ from Samsung) but at the level of Lumia 510. How's that for a change? Gez, short of budget, how can they afford to put up another Android production house that they can't even meet the demand of Lumia 920 worldwide. It's easy to say, right? As if you have the resources right away.
155. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
So it leads back to Nokia should of started with Android. If Nokia did good since the first Lumia, they would have more budget meet the demand now, wouldn't you think?
129. Dastrix (unregistered)
Personally, I don't think that's the case. I love the L920, but I think that if Nokia were to release a flagship Android phone, it might not even get as much attention and recognition as the L920. I'm alluding to the One X. It was an awesome phone, but got totally overshadowed by the GS3. I think it'll just take as long as with WP. Quality and quantity never get along well together, and I believe that's what distinguishes WP from Android. The majority of the population is too ignorant to appreciate the fact that there are more offerings from Android than just a single brand. That situation would apply to Nokia's flagship Android as well, should they release one in the future. Most people simply do not walk in a store to ask for an Android other than a Samsung phone. I think Nokia is playing it safe for the moment with WP.
154. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
You can't compare a company with bad marketing to one that's good. Nokia has been able to impress a lot of Android users with the camera technology it has to offer. Whereas HTC... everything is just... mediocre compared to Samsung. I love HTC, but they're not stepping up.
46. protozeloz (Posts: 5392; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Why is android ugly and crappy? I'm sorry what I'm missing from the mightly windows 8? That ugly way to show apps? Sorry not my thing
11. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
Bhahaha! Now PA, DO YOU understand the screaming necessity of hiring EDUCATED people? A suggestion that I make to you every single time you screw up? Please, let this be a lesson to you and your people, and instead of writing emails to me, and to other people for numerous stupid reasons, fire your "genius", who wrote the previous article about how(according to him) Nokia would consider an adoption of Android, alright?
71. -box- (Posts: 3982; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
PA was reposting a different sources' info, and are posting this as a more accurate statement. It isn't their fault.
13. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
If Nokia actually sold android handsets then they would have big sellers on their hands. If the N8 was android it would have be a huge success. Alot of people are now coming off Blackberry handsets and Nokia feature phones looking for a good top level smartphone,unfortuantely for Nokia the majority of people are turned off the windows tiles ui and as a result look elsewhere. These such people would be nokia loyal but not enough to settle for windows
73. -box- (Posts: 3982; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
The N8 wouldn't have worked on android. It couldn't handle the camera sensor. Same reason the 808 PureView stayed Symbian
14. gazmatic (Posts: 699; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
Huawei announced a monster of a phone the other day and many readers sshhaatt on it. They were not impressed.... They said to wait for the note3. Guess what? I was impressed especially since I think most Android vendors make crap phones.
my friend and I bet on completely different ecosystems and he has to admit he bought a crap phone. He bought the Droid razr m and I a shiny red Lumia 920. Crap phone. My gs3 is a crap phone. My nexus 4 is a crap phone. My favorite Android is the HTC onex+ yet it gets no love.
sadly there are many great Android vendors out there but because they are not the big 3-4 they get no love. I want a meizu phone, an oppo phone, a xiaomi phone but these phones get no love. Why should Nokia sully their reputation by getting involved with people that shun their best in preference for their favorites?
stay away google stay far. I'll quicker buy a Nokia with bb10 than key lime pie
17. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Nokia was once a major player in the cell phone industry. Despite their fall, Nokia is still mentioned often. You can't compare Nokia to the likes of Huawei, meizu, oppo or xiaomi. HTC was hot a couple years back, but they created their own fails. It's hard to rebuild reputation, it'll be a while for HTC to come back up to become a major player, despite that One X+ was a great device. HTC screwed their One X customers over by releasing One X+, they lose fan loyalty. Butterfly is a great device, but it's not being sold worldwide. Their next best bet is the M7, they need to get this right once and for all. If Nokia wants to, it could easily topple the likes of Samsung and Apple with the technology it has to offer. Nokia may be struggling, but most smartphone users knows what it could still offer, it's Nokia's fault for not targeting those potential user consumer base.
109. MeoCao (unregistered)
You misunderstand what he says, he means despite the crisis Nokia is still a power and not newcomer like some Chinese companies.
23. shuaibhere (Posts: 1962; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Again the amount of ignorance for android is more on you...
If you hate android then why do you bought it...
Do you forget about sony....
they have come to the fourth place from 8th because of android....
There is always a room for good phones in android...if you come up with best phones..then you will get the right place...
s3 is a crap phone????
May be it's old...but it was the top dog when it released....
25. kelly911 (Posts: 1; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
So coming to 4th sounds already good for you. Let's say the market share of first (Samsung) is 70%. 2nd is 10%. 3rd is 8%. 4th is 5%... and so on. Will you still be satisfied?
30. shuaibhere (Posts: 1962; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Some thing is good than nothing....
What about nokia????? 10th place....
It's good to be fourth than 10th....
I'm not blaming nokia...I'm blaming wp 8....
31. drubicha (Posts: 19; Member since: 08 Jan 2013)
Nokia surely be in 10th place if it goes android. But Nokia is clearly 1st place in windows. Lumia series is akin to windows phone now. I had android before. Man, it's so messy out there.