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Next iPhone to be a bigger upgrade than widely expected, says analyst

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Next iPhone to be a bigger upgrade than widely expected, says analyst
Hey, another day, another analyst chimes in on the next iPhone! This time it is our buddy Shaw Wu, who has had some scores in the past predicting the Verizon iPhone, calling some BlackBerry PlayBook teething problems, and such.

His claim this time, however, is that the next handset from Apple, dubbed iPhone 5, will actually be a "bigger update than expected". He is no doubt referring to the initial rumors that the device will be a modest upgrade over the iPhone 4, with faster dual-core chipset, 8MP camera, and chassis material other than glass, but the same overall design.

For all it's worth, these early rumors sound exactly like the recently leaked claims from Vietnam that there is a low-end iPhone 4S prototype by Apple, which looks like the current crop, but the shell is made of plastic to keep costs down, only the internals might have been upgraded with a faster processor.

Shaw Wu says that the premium iPhone 5 will be lighter, thinner, and with a larger display than the iPhone 4. His supply chain sources also confirmed the faster A5 chipset, and once again reiterated that for 4G LTE we will have to wait the next iPhone editions, due to the fact that LTE radios are battery hogs for now, and such networks are not widespread.

All of these, however, we have heard in one form or another, and they make sense even without an analyst confirmation. Lo and behold, if come the first week of September a thinner, lighter iPhone of the same size with a tapered back, a 4" display with very thin frame which keeps the Retina Display 300ppi + resolution, an A5 dual-core processor and an 8MP camera is announced, the only ones surprised will be those who never read anything about the next Apple handset in the past 9 months or so. Actually, something else will be really surprising, like a cheaper sidekick dubbed the iPhone 4S, but the analyst is mum on the matter.

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posted on 02 Aug 2011, 09:23 20

1. jogutier (Posts: 324; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)

Let me guess. The "bigger upgrade" is going to be a detachable battery. LOL! Apple just kills me sometimes.... :)

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 09:31 18

3. ilia1986 (unregistered)

lol no no - the Next iPhone will be truly revolutionary in that it's going to incorporate a completely new technology that Apple of course invented, patented and already prepared lawsuits vs everybody out there:

The Magical and revolutionary "ToothTime" Bluetooth file-transfer!!11onezomg.

Only works between iPhone 5s, and only via Wifi ^^.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 09:36 15

5. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)

nope, it will be the ability to make calls! LOL
or atleast hold on to them, and not drop them (they hope)

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 09:38 12

7. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3111; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)

Lol every iphone is "revolutionary "

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 13:22 4

28. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


The thing with the next iPhone....the more mega pixels, the dual core, bigger phone...thats already been done. The "Retina Display" was something to hold their hats on....now other phones have one upped them in the upgrade dept. Others even took it a step further with 3D and LTE, 4G.

By the time the iPhone gets LTE, it will be better on other phones too.

I guess they might can hang their hats on thinness...

Its good for folks that want the next iPhone....I just wonder how the press conference is gonna be this time.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 13:22 6

29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

He was being sarcastic but still thumbed down by the trolls who thought he was serious

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 16:11

69. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

I just want to point this out its very easy to open up an iPhone. Way easier then a thunderbolt. All you need is a screwdriver.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 18:01 3

104. quakan (Posts: 1391; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)

you also have to remember that apple makes one phone per year so that phone has to have a strong one year life cycle. It has to be able to satisfy all of their customers by coming to a common ground of what the consumers want. Apple has to make sure the phone is going to look good, work exceptionally, and have a great battery life. That's why apple is not going to roll out 4g until they can figure out how to roll it out without taking a hit in battery performance. The reason they weren't the first to jump on dual-core phones is because of the over-heating issues is can cause. There's a lot of pressure when you only make one phone. Samsung, HTC, etc are more willing to take a risk and release a phone that's isn't quite perfect because the phone only needs to have a strong life cycle of 3-4 months before the next is one out. You can find an android phone in any form factor with a wide range of specs because there is so many of them. They have a phone for everyone. Why else do you think apple markets their products so heavily...because they have to in order to make it until next year.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 18:01 2

105. J McClane (unregistered)

Easier than a cover that pries off with no screwdriver? Btw, not any screwdriver will work on the iPhone, it uses special 5-point "pentalobular" screws. The battery is also held in place with another screw and the connector is not exactly easy to remove. Try again.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 18:06

107. J McClane (unregistered)

Dual core phones don't have overheating problems, the only one I can think of that does is the G2x but that was due to faulty drivers and has since been fixed with an update. The reason the iphone doesn't have dual core is because of its yearly upgrade cycle. It won't have LTE because Apple cares more about battery life and ridiculously thin profiles to market the hell out of while ignoring much slower data speeds.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 20:38 2

123. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

You have never opened a thunderbolt. With a screwdriver it take 20 seconds. The thunderbolt took 10 minutes for me and i opened to many times and the cover was breaking. It really isnt so bad to open an iphone and it is removable you just need a screwdriver. Try again.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 21:39 1

128. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)

hey hey hey...speak for the At&t version, the Verizon version doesn't carry that stigma.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 09:27 4

2. jimmybond (unregistered)

In all honesty... Is it "worth it" to get a cell phone that is not LTE (on any carrier)? Even if your city/state does not have LTE yet, it will soon enough. Wouldn't that make any 3G phone D.O.A.?

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 09:35 4

4. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

or at least high end HSPA+. Tmo's 42mb/s HSPA is as fast or faster than VZW LTE.

So in other news, the iphone5... its going to be just like androids from 6-8 months ago... and with iOSdroid5.2.3.4 on board...

just get an android..lol

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 10:00 3

10. jimmybond (unregistered)

@remixfa...Thank you for your input to my discussion. I would like to further add to my point by asking if you think the new Motorola Droid 3, Droid X2, Incredible 2 (sry I'm a Verizon customer) and any other AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile 3G phones that come out are also somewhat D.O.A.? These phones are built with some of the top specs available, and I completely understand that there is still a (very) strong market for customer wanting these types of phones, but isn't buying any 3G phone ensuring that phone will be obsolete sooner than later? I am inclined to think the Droid 3, with little-to-no real advertising/marketing is not the top selling (andriod) phone Verizon is currently offering. However, if the phone included 4G do you think it might be?

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 10:01

12. jimmybond (unregistered)


posted on 02 Aug 2011, 10:11

14. exo2u (unregistered)

remixfa- i see a lot of your comments on here witch i respect most of the time but you say at least as fast or faster than vzw lte but there nothing faster here. are you a tmobile user?
In the end VZW will end up blowing away tmobiles last efforts.
i also think its funny how the supposed 42mb/s a sec for tmobile is rated slightly above verizons lte lol, a total marketing scheme.
Kind of like how internet is, i will always pick comcast 20mb/s over qwests 40mb/s. people that have access to these two companies know what i mean.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 10:15

15. jimmybond (unregistered)

@exo2u...With all due respect, is there anything you would like to add to my initial posting (i.e. please do not change the discussion topic)? Thanks.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 13:24

30. exo2u (unregistered)

remixfa-Its all relative. Verizon will of course have something to contend with it also by the time they actually roll that out.

Not sure what you mean by real world but ive had way better reception with verizon over tmobile. I laugh at my sister and friends on tmobile when we go slightly out of town and there screwed. Im pretty sure that people on verizon pay more for some reason and as much as JD power might think so its not because of customer service. its because of better coverage and speeds.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 10:34 2

17. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

I know vzw has great claims for LTE roll out, but Im sure not seeing it. Im in somewhat rural easter VA. Considering Virginia doesnt have a single LTE market yet (save areas near DC or bristol's markets), Im not sure when we will see consistent coverage. It should come to Richmond and Norfolk/Va beach by next summer, but it will take them quite some time to fill in the gaps.

And if LTE is spotty in your area, it just KILLS your battery going in and out of service. It would be better just to turn 4G off. I'm excited for LTE, but not it is not something I must have right now. I'm not sure I even want it on my next device.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 10:52

18. exo2u (unregistered)

ya actually. it would be better to ask if 4g phones are more of a future proof(even though that doesnt exist) than 3g instead of asking if 3g will be obsolete.
There will be many uses for the midrange user to still use 3g and still be happy. it really depends on who you are but most people who check this site would benefit from 4g in one way or another.
3g will of course be obsolete before 4g is any way you look at it.
I definitely think that the droid 3 would have been a top selling phone with lte and a lot more marketing. the average consumer would be all over it. of course it would have to also come out at a different time when all these super phones havent either come out or are about to. Any chance of duel core and lte in the same phone and it would cause me to wait for a better phone(like i am)

btw i see how often people stay totally on topic here and your right; PA posters leave a lot to be desired and im not helping but it really bugs me sometimes how people can be fooled by what they read then they fool other people when they should only have instructed from actual experience.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 11:02 4

19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Tmo is not even close to Verizon LTE speeds and there's studies to back this up. 42mbps is theoretical and LTE is 100mbps theoretical so it's not even a contest. Please stop making stuff up.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 11:17

20. exo2u (unregistered)

Verizon said there would be 150- markets with lte by the end of the year, and there is already about 120-. with 4 months left in the year they would have to be more than 20 markets behind where they are now to not make it. so other than supplying lte faster than they said witch is fast to begin with, they really have done a good job with rolling out lte so far.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 14:27 2

37. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

most of my posts are in response to fandroids bashing Apple. If every Apple article I went to wasn't filled with trolls I wouldn't bash back. I really have no problems with android even though I prefer iOS. I don't think anyone is a sheep or an idiot because they use android.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 11:36

21. jimmybond (unregistered)

Can someone explain to me how these forums work? Why would I get 4 "thumbs down"? Was my question dumb? I was politically correct in that I wasn't naming any particular phone maker or OS...I feel it's an honest question. Like exo2u mentioned, isn't this an appropriate site to ask a question of whether or not a new phone release with 3G is less future-proof than a phone releasing with 4G (regardless if you currently have 4G capabilities - b/c evenutally all carries expect to roll-out their networks as such). What did I say/do wrong? Why hate on a honest question that generated discussion?

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 12:08 1

23. exo2u (unregistered)

Lol, in all honesty people can be pretty stuck up around here at times. in most cases its just a way for lazy people to solicit there opinions. but hey, ya know, this site really does live off of opinions and sometimes even if you have a question mark at the end of the sentence people will still think it was a opinionated statement.

One of many reasons i dont bother registering here.

You didnt say or do anything wrong, try not to take it personally. I would consider it more of a sign of whether or not people understand you rather than right/wrong good/bad

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 12:45 2

25. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

to most people.. not DOA. Sorry, yea I am a tech geek. To me, anything less than the latest greatest wont due for me. If its not 1.2ghz on a dual core processor that is based on a cortex A9 achetecture, I wouldnt look at it. Quad cores are right around the corner so even that is about to be out dated.

I cant say how important 4g is to some customers on VZW.. for the bulk of the customers I deal with on Tmobile, they prefer the 4g phones. Then again, Tmobile's 4g footprint is much larger than VZWs.
Anything that comes out in 3g at least for my customers, is relegated to second class phones. Then again, Tmobile makes sure 3g only android phones are not the top of the line phones.

As far as the droid3 goes, until a high end 4g slider comes out Im sure it will sell quite well.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 12:59 1

26. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

in my daily use my tablet (which is only capable of up to 21 not the full 42) gets between 9mbps - 16mpb/s. I average around 11mbps. On the 42mbs aircards it averages around 17s and ive seen it spike in the low 30's many times.

Tmobile (if they are still around) is upgrading the network again to 84mbps in 2012. Thats almost 3x faster than VZWs LTE network which caps around 30mb/s.

Ya thats all theoretical speeds, but real world speeds are about the same to slightly faster than VZW

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 13:02 2

27. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

taco, you uninformed like usual. LTE Advanced maxes around 100+ VZW'S LTE maxes around 30mbs. Tmobiles network max is 42mbs with a soon upgrade to 84 planned in 2012 if the merger takes too long or fails.

posted on 02 Aug 2011, 13:27 2

31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Winner here VZW LTE by a longshot.


LTE is the brand name for emerging and developed technologies that comprise the existing 3G and 4G networks. The LTE specification provides downlink peak rates of at least 100 Mbps, an uplink of at least 50 Mbps and RAN round-trip times of less than 10 ms.

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