Next iPhone to be a bigger upgrade than widely expected, says analyst
His claim this time, however, is that the next handset from Apple, dubbed iPhone 5, will actually be a "bigger update than expected". He is no doubt referring to the initial rumors that the device will be a modest upgrade over the iPhone 4, with faster dual-core chipset, 8MP camera, and chassis material other than glass, but the same overall design.
For all it's worth, these early rumors sound exactly like the recently leaked claims from Vietnam that there is a low-end iPhone 4S prototype by Apple, which looks like the current crop, but the shell is made of plastic to keep costs down, only the internals might have been upgraded with a faster processor.
Shaw Wu says that the premium iPhone 5 will be lighter, thinner, and with a larger display than the iPhone 4. His supply chain sources also confirmed the faster A5 chipset, and once again reiterated that for 4G LTE we will have to wait the next iPhone editions, due to the fact that LTE radios are battery hogs for now, and such networks are not widespread.
All of these, however, we have heard in one form or another, and they make sense even without an analyst confirmation. Lo and behold, if come the first week of September a thinner, lighter iPhone of the same size with a tapered back, a 4" display with very thin frame which keeps the Retina Display 300ppi + resolution, an A5 dual-core processor and an 8MP camera is announced, the only ones surprised will be those who never read anything about the next Apple handset in the past 9 months or so. Actually, something else will be really surprising, like a cheaper sidekick dubbed the iPhone 4S, but the analyst is mum on the matter.
1. jogutier (Posts: 324; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)
Let me guess. The "bigger upgrade" is going to be a detachable battery. LOL! Apple just kills me sometimes.... :)
3. ilia1986 (unregistered)
lol no no - the Next iPhone will be truly revolutionary in that it's going to incorporate a completely new technology that Apple of course invented, patented and already prepared lawsuits vs everybody out there:
The Magical and revolutionary "ToothTime" Bluetooth file-transfer!!11onezomg.
Only works between iPhone 5s, and only via Wifi ^^.
5. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
nope, it will be the ability to make calls! LOL
or atleast hold on to them, and not drop them (they hope)
128. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
hey hey hey...speak for the At&t version, the Verizon version doesn't carry that stigma.
7. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3061; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Lol every iphone is "revolutionary "
29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
He was being sarcastic but still thumbed down by the trolls who thought he was serious
28. jroc74 (Posts: 5400; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
The thing with the next iPhone....the more mega pixels, the dual core, bigger phone...thats already been done. The "Retina Display" was something to hold their hats on....now other phones have one upped them in the upgrade dept. Others even took it a step further with 3D and LTE, 4G.
By the time the iPhone gets LTE, it will be better on other phones too.
I guess they might can hang their hats on thinness...
Its good for folks that want the next iPhone....I just wonder how the press conference is gonna be this time.
104. quakan (Posts: 1281; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
you also have to remember that apple makes one phone per year so that phone has to have a strong one year life cycle. It has to be able to satisfy all of their customers by coming to a common ground of what the consumers want. Apple has to make sure the phone is going to look good, work exceptionally, and have a great battery life. That's why apple is not going to roll out 4g until they can figure out how to roll it out without taking a hit in battery performance. The reason they weren't the first to jump on dual-core phones is because of the over-heating issues is can cause. There's a lot of pressure when you only make one phone. Samsung, HTC, etc are more willing to take a risk and release a phone that's isn't quite perfect because the phone only needs to have a strong life cycle of 3-4 months before the next is one out. You can find an android phone in any form factor with a wide range of specs because there is so many of them. They have a phone for everyone. Why else do you think apple markets their products so heavily...because they have to in order to make it until next year.
107. J McClane (unregistered)
Dual core phones don't have overheating problems, the only one I can think of that does is the G2x but that was due to faulty drivers and has since been fixed with an update. The reason the iphone doesn't have dual core is because of its yearly upgrade cycle. It won't have LTE because Apple cares more about battery life and ridiculously thin profiles to market the hell out of while ignoring much slower data speeds.
69. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I just want to point this out its very easy to open up an iPhone. Way easier then a thunderbolt. All you need is a screwdriver.
105. J McClane (unregistered)
Easier than a cover that pries off with no screwdriver? Btw, not any screwdriver will work on the iPhone, it uses special 5-point "pentalobular" screws. The battery is also held in place with another screw and the connector is not exactly easy to remove. Try again.
123. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
You have never opened a thunderbolt. With a screwdriver it take 20 seconds. The thunderbolt took 10 minutes for me and i opened to many times and the cover was breaking. It really isnt so bad to open an iphone and it is removable you just need a screwdriver. Try again.
2. jimmybond (unregistered)
In all honesty... Is it "worth it" to get a cell phone that is not LTE (on any carrier)? Even if your city/state does not have LTE yet, it will soon enough. Wouldn't that make any 3G phone D.O.A.?
4. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
or at least high end HSPA+. Tmo's 42mb/s HSPA is as fast or faster than VZW LTE.
So in other news, the iphone5... its going to be just like androids from 6-8 months ago... and with iOSdroid18.104.22.168 on board...
just get an android..lol
10. jimmybond (unregistered)
@remixfa...Thank you for your input to my discussion. I would like to further add to my point by asking if you think the new Motorola Droid 3, Droid X2, Incredible 2 (sry I'm a Verizon customer) and any other AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile 3G phones that come out are also somewhat D.O.A.? These phones are built with some of the top specs available, and I completely understand that there is still a (very) strong market for customer wanting these types of phones, but isn't buying any 3G phone ensuring that phone will be obsolete sooner than later? I am inclined to think the Droid 3, with little-to-no real advertising/marketing is not the top selling (andriod) phone Verizon is currently offering. However, if the phone included 4G do you think it might be?
12. jimmybond (unregistered)
17. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
I know vzw has great claims for LTE roll out, but Im sure not seeing it. Im in somewhat rural easter VA. Considering Virginia doesnt have a single LTE market yet (save areas near DC or bristol's markets), Im not sure when we will see consistent coverage. It should come to Richmond and Norfolk/Va beach by next summer, but it will take them quite some time to fill in the gaps.
And if LTE is spotty in your area, it just KILLS your battery going in and out of service. It would be better just to turn 4G off. I'm excited for LTE, but not it is not something I must have right now. I'm not sure I even want it on my next device.
20. exo2u (unregistered)
Verizon said there would be 150- markets with lte by the end of the year, and there is already about 120-. with 4 months left in the year they would have to be more than 20 markets behind where they are now to not make it. so other than supplying lte faster than they said witch is fast to begin with, they really have done a good job with rolling out lte so far.
45. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
exo, i wasnt criticizing vzw. quite the contrary, i think they are doing a good job with their LTE roll out.
my post was to dispute the idea that an LTE radio is an absolute must have for a cell phone purchase right now. unless you spend a majority of your time in an area that is blanketed in coverage, its not really something to worry about.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
to most people.. not DOA. Sorry, yea I am a tech geek. To me, anything less than the latest greatest wont due for me. If its not 1.2ghz on a dual core processor that is based on a cortex A9 achetecture, I wouldnt look at it. Quad cores are right around the corner so even that is about to be out dated.
I cant say how important 4g is to some customers on VZW.. for the bulk of the customers I deal with on Tmobile, they prefer the 4g phones. Then again, Tmobile's 4g footprint is much larger than VZWs.
Anything that comes out in 3g at least for my customers, is relegated to second class phones. Then again, Tmobile makes sure 3g only android phones are not the top of the line phones.
As far as the droid3 goes, until a high end 4g slider comes out Im sure it will sell quite well.
14. exo2u (unregistered)
remixfa- i see a lot of your comments on here witch i respect most of the time but you say at least as fast or faster than vzw lte but there nothing faster here. are you a tmobile user?
In the end VZW will end up blowing away tmobiles last efforts.
i also think its funny how the supposed 42mb/s a sec for tmobile is rated slightly above verizons lte lol, a total marketing scheme.
Kind of like how internet is, i will always pick comcast 20mb/s over qwests 40mb/s. people that have access to these two companies know what i mean.
15. jimmybond (unregistered)
@exo2u...With all due respect, is there anything you would like to add to my initial posting (i.e. please do not change the discussion topic)? Thanks.
18. exo2u (unregistered)
ya actually. it would be better to ask if 4g phones are more of a future proof(even though that doesnt exist) than 3g instead of asking if 3g will be obsolete.
There will be many uses for the midrange user to still use 3g and still be happy. it really depends on who you are but most people who check this site would benefit from 4g in one way or another.
3g will of course be obsolete before 4g is any way you look at it.
I definitely think that the droid 3 would have been a top selling phone with lte and a lot more marketing. the average consumer would be all over it. of course it would have to also come out at a different time when all these super phones havent either come out or are about to. Any chance of duel core and lte in the same phone and it would cause me to wait for a better phone(like i am)
btw i see how often people stay totally on topic here and your right; PA posters leave a lot to be desired and im not helping but it really bugs me sometimes how people can be fooled by what they read then they fool other people when they should only have instructed from actual experience.
26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
in my daily use my tablet (which is only capable of up to 21 not the full 42) gets between 9mbps - 16mpb/s. I average around 11mbps. On the 42mbs aircards it averages around 17s and ive seen it spike in the low 30's many times.
Tmobile (if they are still around) is upgrading the network again to 84mbps in 2012. Thats almost 3x faster than VZWs LTE network which caps around 30mb/s.
Ya thats all theoretical speeds, but real world speeds are about the same to slightly faster than VZW
30. exo2u (unregistered)
remixfa-Its all relative. Verizon will of course have something to contend with it also by the time they actually roll that out.
Not sure what you mean by real world but ive had way better reception with verizon over tmobile. I laugh at my sister and friends on tmobile when we go slightly out of town and there screwed. Im pretty sure that people on verizon pay more for some reason and as much as JD power might think so its not because of customer service. its because of better coverage and speeds.
49. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Noone argues that VZW doesnt have the largest coverage map for total service.. because they do.. by far.
Tmobile has the largest "4g" map by far.
theoretical speeds vs real world speeds.. as in it caps at 42, but ya get 15 on average.
The real world difference between VZW's LTE and Tmobile's HSPA+ right now is minimal to a slight advantage for Tmobile.
When you break it down by cost you can get unlimited talk text an web now for 59.99 on Tmobile with the new value plans. U cant get unlimted web at all on VZW anymore and u pay 140 + overages.
For what is half the cost, covers most people, and is as fast or faster than LTE, Tmobile is the way to go. I live in a city and i mostly travel to cities so im covered everywhere I'm at.
Its all relative to how you live though.
73. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Tmobile may be unlimited but they do throttle. I have all those stuff and don't pay 140 i pay under 100. VZW is faster and actually covers stuff. Tmobile is a discount provider.
92. exo2u (unregistered)
Not even worth touching this...
Your wrong on so many levels, I could write a whole essay on show you how wrong you are.
Fortunately, i dont have time for anymore of this so to make it quick,
You dont get unlimited data on those "value" pieces.140 is a ridiculous exaggeration. such a waste of time. Blatant lies, shame on your mother remixfa, i thought you had a higher sense of decorum but maybe your just high? gravity anyone? lol
And Tmobile hspa+ is more than twice as old as verizons lte so although they can be close at times, lte has made way more advancements witch will blow hspa+ away. tmobiles hspa+ cant even get close to the full potential of verizons lte network and wont even come close to what true 4g awaits.
19. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Tmo is not even close to Verizon LTE speeds and there's studies to back this up. 42mbps is theoretical and LTE is 100mbps theoretical so it's not even a contest. Please stop making stuff up.
27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco, you uninformed like usual. LTE Advanced maxes around 100+ VZW'S LTE maxes around 30mbs. Tmobiles network max is 42mbs with a soon upgrade to 84 planned in 2012 if the merger takes too long or fails.
31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Winner here VZW LTE by a longshot.
LTE is the brand name for emerging and developed technologies that comprise the existing 3G and 4G networks. The LTE specification provides downlink peak rates of at least 100 Mbps, an uplink of at least 50 Mbps and RAN round-trip times of less than 10 ms.
32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So I've posted a link to real life tests and also to LTE where it shows minimum speeds of 100mbps. Care to post some proof of your bogus claims?
You're a fanboy of everything. Android, T-Mobile, etc. Just because you use something doesn't mean it's the best. T-Mobile probably has the worst network out of the 4 major carriers in the US.
34. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
same could be said of you,Taco and iOS. just because you use it doesn't mean it's the best.
37. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
most of my posts are in response to fandroids bashing Apple. If every Apple article I went to wasn't filled with trolls I wouldn't bash back. I really have no problems with android even though I prefer iOS. I don't think anyone is a sheep or an idiot because they use android.
50. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I don't know what remix is thinking. LTE is the fastest 4g by far. The only problem is all lte phones currently suck. I can't wait for the iPhone 6. I think its gonna be my next phone as i have bought the iPhone 4 on vzw and when the 6 comes out it should be around my upgrade. LTE FTW!
53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Remix works for T-Mobile so he's being brainwashed by their propaganda. Not too diffucult to brainwash a sheep.
57. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
says the iSheep who cant even get his own crap straight
LTE standard is 100mb/s. that is NOT THE MAX SPEED ON VZW LTE. You frikkin tard. OI.
And I hate to tell you this.. AGAIN BECAUSE WEVE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION, that when the PC mag speed test was done it was BEFORE the Tmobile conversion to 42mb/s. I've taken a dozen screen shots and posted them since then to show the difference between the old speeds and the new speeds. Ive posted them FOR YOU in conversations about this exact subject.
I cant help it your a bleepin idiot taco. But at least remember the conversations we already had. I realize iSheep have the memory of a cotton seed, but try.. for me.. K? :)
63. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
article/389354/lte_outperformsdon't know why you like tmobile. Everyone i know with tmobile i constantly lend my phone to because theirs doesn't have service. Anyway as far as i can tell the taco is correct _42m_bps_hspa_streets_stockhol m/I
66. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Also to point this out this is with tmobile just upgrading there network. I expect verizon to do the same when the bionic comes out.
79. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Tmobile upgraded their network in the second week of july. None of that is after the network upgrade. Way to reiterate taco.. taco jr.
2 people saying the wrong thing doesnt make it right.
Taco, maybe u should make a 3rd a count.. get a full chorus going of fake followers
116. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
My article said lte same as verizon and tmobile 42mbs hspa i can be wrong but everything i have seen leads me to beliwve im not.
64. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Also you made it personal by saying tard sheep have bad memory and what not. There is no need to do that when discussing download speed and this doesn't even have to do with the iPhone so whats the point of sheep.
65. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
LTE's minimum speeds are 100mbps including VZW. Post proof of your bogus claim that VZW has theoretical speeds of 30mbps. VZW users are getting real world speeds higher than that.
80. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
show me the proof taco. and im not talking one shot deals, im talking averages. My 11mbs on my Gslate is my AVERAGE. I get spikes higher and lower than that.
Please oh please spend all night looking for it, because u wont find it.
93. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I have posted proof and so has biophone where it's not even a contest between LTE and T-Mobile. You make claims you can't back up because you're lying and don't know what you're talking about.
103. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco you and your alternate account posted THE SAME LINK.
The other link he posted to was a picture of a VZW internal comparison chart, not actual real world usage of any kind. And even on the chart, it only said 4-9m/bs, not 100.
really. i mean really.. oi.. lol
106. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Hey, remix, leave off biophone. He's an okay dude. Wrong sometimes, but way more reasonable than Taco. Has better understanding of grammar and punctuation too.
117. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Hey sniggy apparantly im taco because i agreed with him on a non iphone issue at that. Am i wrong sometimes sure and so are you. I dont think i am wrong here but i could be. All i have is what i have found vs remixfa s word.
118. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I think you might be wrong, but there's no reason to be offensive about it. And sure, I am wrong too. Nobody's perfect. :D
124. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
We are all wrong sometimes. I have looked it up and all i have found is lte is faster. I have found 1 article from tmobile that says there 4g is slightly slower then verizon thats it. That leads me to believe lte is faster. This is also right after a upgrade to the network to 42mbps. The potential of a lte network is far greater and as tmobile has had 4g for longer i would expect for theirs to be more developed. Verizon will surely upgrade their network even more and squash tmobile. If remixfa proves me wrong i will accept it but he hasn't. I showed him what i was looking at and his response just said its slower when both and the articles say that but they don't and he called me taco. I don't think i was unreasonable and i haven't taken offense remixfa has. He has been calling people tard and sheep. It isn't even iPhone related how can we be sheep with this. Is it because tmobile doesn't have a iPhone? I really don't know. He also said i don't ever say positive things about android which isn't true also. You know that.
100. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh, and Taco, you're wrong about LTE in America. VZW doesn't have anything close to 100 mbps in practice. Those speeds were attained outside the U.S. Even the article YOU LINKED TO showed that in the real world, even the fastest VZW modems were getting download speeds in the 6 mbps range.
129. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
100 is theoretical not real life just like T-Mo 42 is theoretical. LTE advanced has theoretical of 1gbps.
Where are you and remix getting this info? VZW advertises 5-12 for real world average speeds which is a lot faster than T-Mo.
131. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I went on wikipedia and found this chart
Data speeds of LTE Advanced
Peak Download 1 Gbit/s
Peak Upload 500 Mbit/s
Data speeds of LTE
Peak Download 100 Mbit/s
Peak Upload 50 Mbit/s
This is while remixfa claims 42 mbp theoretical speeds. LTE IS FASTER.
Can someone give me evidence that me and taco are wrong. Everything remixfa said is proven wrong. I think we are correct and i am fairly confident.
99. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Don't pick on T-Mobile. They're a great company and have been for years. If it weren't for their coverage I'd still be with them today.
101. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no way.. ATT has the worst network of the big4. And your paying VZW pricing for it while getting the worst customer service in the industry. Why would anyone do that? I never understood that.
21. jimmybond (unregistered)
Can someone explain to me how these forums work? Why would I get 4 "thumbs down"? Was my question dumb? I was politically correct in that I wasn't naming any particular phone maker or OS...I feel it's an honest question. Like exo2u mentioned, isn't this an appropriate site to ask a question of whether or not a new phone release with 3G is less future-proof than a phone releasing with 4G (regardless if you currently have 4G capabilities - b/c evenutally all carries expect to roll-out their networks as such). What did I say/do wrong? Why hate on a honest question that generated discussion?
23. exo2u (unregistered)
Lol, in all honesty people can be pretty stuck up around here at times. in most cases its just a way for lazy people to solicit there opinions. but hey, ya know, this site really does live off of opinions and sometimes even if you have a question mark at the end of the sentence people will still think it was a opinionated statement.
One of many reasons i dont bother registering here.
You didnt say or do anything wrong, try not to take it personally. I would consider it more of a sign of whether or not people understand you rather than right/wrong good/bad
38. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
these forums are filled with rabid fandroid trolls. If you post anything other than android is the best platform by far and the iPhone is an outdated feature phone POS you will be thumbed down and called a sheep.
58. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
or you will be thumbed down if your name is Taco and u do nothing but flame and troll the forums all day long then pretend your innocent.
67. jimmybond (unregistered)
Okay guys, but I purposely DID NOT name drop any phones (or carriers for that matter), nor is my name Taco (not a jab, just a light-hearted joke) and I still get the “thumbs down” from these forum bookworms. I guess exo2u is right…these forums are made for people who really do not want to generate actual, useful discussions. Perhaps the mediators should monitor what is being said a little bit more…hell after this experience, you can start with me.
Ps. Does anyone know of a similar site to this one where I can get my mobile media news?