New prediction for Jelly Bean release almost gets it right
1. alekso9 (Posts: 40; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
I think they should give ICS sometime to adapt to everyone. Then release JB Next year.
6. muck1 (Posts: 9; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
i second that they need put ICS on more phone first its only on 2 phone and one tab now and thats why alot of app devpl ar moving from android
16. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
noooo!!! don't release Justin Beiber!!!
yeah, they should hold the release first, wait till ICS has captured significant market share first, just like what GB did..
28. yt6nin (Posts: 100; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
oh well, they released J.B. already, but come on, he brings with him so many stories that are just interesting... To him, it might be stories that may be undesirable, but to us, something to keep us entertained =P ;) But yea, I think Google should give ICS a run for its use in the current Android market, cuz I'm dying to get my hands on a new smartphone with ICS as stock. I WOULD HATE Google if they decide to release Jelly Bean and make it available stock on newly released smartphones when I'm upgrading, well before I get to tryout the ICS stock phones, when ICS was just recently announced and trying to become really the main stream Android OS. I already like the idea of having ICS as the OS and getting rid of the capacitive buttons on the phone, cuz I tend to accidentally press them when I didn't mean to. That's why I'm really hoping for and waiting for the manufacturers to release a phone like the Nexus, with no capacitive buttons below the screen for AT&T, but already that's not happening with the HTC One XL, and the SGSIII is still announced, fully clouded with rumors. I would love completely on-screen buttons, just want to tryout a full ICS smartphone and then I'll gladly move onto Jelly Bean when the time is right.
29. torr310 (Posts: 651; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
What if ICS is a failure and should we still have to anticipate it?
I know many people are eager for the ICS and I guess it should be better than the Gingerbread... But it does not necessary mean it is a good release. Google may found out a better revision of Android than ICS...
It definitely not a good thing to the developers to change the version so quick but I would skip the ICS if something better come out as I do not see any significant improvement from the Gingerbread to the ICS.
46. Doakie (Posts: 1760; Member since: 06 May 2009)
"Any significant improvement"? Are you smoking crack? iOS has never had an update that changed so much of the UI. The change from WinMo 6.5 to WinPhone 7 was a bigger UI change but that was a whole new OS just like Blackberry OS to QNX is a totally new OS. No existing OS have made such a huge UI update in a single small version upgrade have they? Not to mention all the new software additions like the camera upgrades and face unlock. You're insatiable man....
52. torr310 (Posts: 651; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
I saw Facebook change UI and not always liked by people. Changing UI doesn't mean improvement. The camera upgrade is good but Jelly Bean will have that included too. Face unlock isn't that practical/secure in case you don't know it can be unlocked by a photo or someone look alike.
I do not know if there is any performance/battery life gain though.
2. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
Are you serious? I understand technology is faster today, but come on, the international versions are just getting ICS now and they talk about JB? Can you say fragmentation? This is becoming a joke, but it's a rumor, fortunately.
3. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
How is it fragmentation to release an update? Is iOS fragmented because some users are on 5.x while others are on 4.x? Is Windows fragmented because some people are on Win 7 and others are on XP or Vista? No. All the apps work, it's just an update. Stop spreading negative propaganda.
7. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Come on Michael are you in denial that Android is fragmented also? While the situation may be overblown lets not pretend that it doesn't exist. Developers are struggling to get there apps to work nice with ICS and we are already talking about JB? Talk about putting the cart before the horse...
8. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
In that case, Fragmentation is not with the OS, its with the hardware! lol
10. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Developers are struggling to get their apps to work nice with ICS.
Slow down there cowboy... what?
I've had the Nexus since release day and have been able to use every single app I used on my Thunderbolt with little to no issues.
The first week or two I had a force close here and there but other than that, no problems.
It's worth noting I have about 100 apps on my phone roughly 25 or so being paid apps i've acquired over the last two years... no problems with any.
12. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Don't know what I said that makes you think I'm a cowboy but ok... I also have a Gnex and I have force closes often enough that its become very annoying, not to mention the other bugs with ICS. I don't want to appear to be bashing ICS It's just my opinion that before we start talking about JB that we refine what we already have. You even said you have "little to no issues" so you know the problems exist. Stop being a homer, it won't get any better if we just except it.
15. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
By little to no issues I was referring to the 5-10 force closes I had the first two weeks I had the phone.
Since then literally the ONLY force closes I have gotten were from the new Boid twitter app which is in alpha so I would expect.
Maybe your device is defective. My girlfriend also has the Nexus and doesn't have any force closes either...
20. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Updates don't cause fragmentation, forks like the Kindle Fire and B&N Nook cause fragmentation. The rest is just the way the ecosystem works, just like Windows. Multiple versions on various hardware setups, but it works anyway.
24. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
What....? "Multiple versions on various hardware setups" equals fragmented OS and the problem is that it DOESN'T work anyway.. stop kidding yourself.
26. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
If all it takes is "multiple versions on various hardware setups" stop kidding yourself that there is any platform in the world that isn't "fragmented".
27. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Never said that was all it takes.. But it is a contributing factor. You specifically said "updates don't cause fragmentation" that, my friend, is false. I also never even insinuated that there is any platform in the world that isn't fragmented. All platforms are fragmented, some to a greater degree than others and you can even admit that Android is one of them..
37. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I just say that screen resolutions should be limited. I have so many games that aren't setup to work with my qhd display. Fruit Ninja (supported by a rather large company) is one.
50. kanagadeepan (Posts: 823; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
No.... Fruit Ninja is working great in my Photon as well as CaptivateGlide...
17. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
Michael, when a company releases an update, it HAS to be available to everybody within a reasonable time. You mentioned Apple, Window, how fast can you update with them when it's available AND you decide to update? How long do you get to use the update before the new one comes out? The all process with Google it's too slow, for various reasons but it is.
18. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
This is where I disagree with people. I don't understand why it "has" to be available for everyone.
If Volkswagen comes out with a new engine for the Jetta that gets better mileage than my 2011 I don't expect them to retrofit my car with it do I?
If you buy a phone and it's advertised as being updated to the newest software then I understand the complaint... but s**t, the Nexus phones aren't even advertised that way it's just assumed.
Everyone needs to get over it. If you get the latest upgrades, great. If not, too bad. The phones still function and can still run all (if not all then most) of the apps on the market.
22. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Your analogy with the car and a new engine is tied for the most ignorant thing I've read on the internet today. Updating the software on a cellphone is in no way similar to updating a motor in your car, and Volkswagen never said that they would make such an upgrade were as Google has stated that our phones would be upgraded.. Try again
23. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Oh, Google stated that all Android phones would be updated to the latest software?
Is that the comment you were referring to when you said mine was tied for the most ignorant thing you've read today?
25. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
No your tied with Michaelhellers first comment..
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
OK, here is a better analogy.
You go buy a PC from Dell and it has Windows Vista on it. 2 weeks later MS releases Windows 7. Do you think your entitled to that update?
People need to get over this "i demand the newest version, immediately" BS, because its just BS. You buy the phone for what it is when you bought it. Unless you specifically get a letter from the manufacturer stating that it will be garunteeing a future OS update, u should never expect more than bug patches and fixes. PERIOD.
It wasnt until the rise of android that people even started caring about what version they were on. Its an entirely new phenomenon. Before now it was only the biggest geeks that even knew there was an update, ever.
BTW, iOS is WAY MORE fragmented than Android. Dont kid yourself. Android get more publicity about it, but iOS is worse. Android gives you updates over the air. on iOS you have to know there is an update, and then physically hook up to iTunes to get it. Do you really think the bulk of customers have been doing that since the iphone2g launched??? common sense. most of them think they have a "4g" iphone when they bought the iphone4, they sure as hell are not smart enough to keep up with updates.
33. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Your analogy is better but proves nothing.. If you buy a Dell PC with Vista and 2 weeks later Windows 7 is released as long as your computer meets the system requirements you can purchase the update.. I have a Gnex because I wanted the latest OS and to be first to get updates. I also bought the RMaxx and it was well publicized that it would be upgraded to the latest OS. My problem isn't the timeliness of the updates so much as it is what this does to add to the fragmentation of Android. To be having a conversation about JB when more than 90% of current Android phones are not even on the latest OS seems like they are putting the cart before the horse.
35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
let me just stop ya there.
notice how you said "purchase the update". If you want the new windows version, you have to go buy it. why should cell phones give it away for free constantly?
you bought a nexus expecting the update? really? why is that? oh because GOOGLE TOLD YOU that you can expect the update.
People are still on XP and Vista by large margins and Windows is already about to go to Windows8.. but yet you dont hear people screaming that they havent gotten their free upgrade to Vista yet, much less 7, so there for 8 must not come out.
Android and other systems are run differently. Android has more in common with the windows PC update process than with iOS. Android puts the product out and waits for people to go get it. Google does not retain direct control of the devices like Apple does. Just like microsoft does not have direct control of your PC. When a new windows OS comes out, there are PC vendors that sell both the new and old versions of windows, with different sub versions (basic, professional, ect). Why is that any different?
The only reason people know or care about these updates, is because the rumor mill never stops pumping out crap story after crap story to garner readership. Who cares about JB, ITS NOT OUT yet. Would it be any different if we were talking about Keylime pie or Lemon merange pie? (gettin hungry..lol) Its ALL 100% RUMORS. Lets talk about iOS7 while were at it. Does it make a difference on iOS5 adoption rates? No.
Android fragmentation is all in the reader's mind..
38. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Come on Remixfa you have a better argument than that don't you? "Why should cell phones give it away for free constantly?" because they said they would.. Whats wrong with expecting to receive an update if that is what we have been told? Your counter PC upgrade argument is lame... In my previous post I was just simply saying that conversation about JB is premature considering ICS is on less than 5% of android devices now. If "Android fragmentation is all in the readers mind" that would explain why you don't think it exist..
39. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
When did they say they would? You keep acting like Google promised everyone who buys Android phones that they will always have the latest software.
41. jldleo (Posts: 38; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)
Do you remember a little event called Google I/O back in May of 2011? Try looking up what the Android update Alliance. Once you read that you will see what I'm talking about
43. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can you find me a quote where google said they will force carriers and manufacturers to send all android phones an update, and quickly? I dont think you will find that. having "ics available" and pushing it through manufacturers, and then through carriers (who get the final say on updates, not google or samsung), takes time.
iOS is an anomaly, not the norm. It is the ONLY OS that gets direct updates from the manufacturer. EVERY OTHER phone has to go through the manufacturer, then through the carrier.. and if the carrier doesnt like it, the cycle repeats until the carrier allows the update to pass.
And even with iOS's special update status, it still doesnt stop iOS from being extremely fragmented.
21. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Whether or not the update is available doesn't mean that everyone will take advantage of that update. Even if Android updates were made available to everyone on day one, not everyone would update, just like with iOS and Windows and every other computing platform on Earth (except Chrome OS, which is automatic for everyone.)
The updates not being available to users is a problem, but it is not fragmentation.
4. McLTE (Posts: 804; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
What I'd like to see is Google work a little more closely with Hardware vendors to define a roadmap.. so that when new Android SW releases are made available, there is an announcement and several new pieces of hardware immediately available with the new OS.
It would also be nice to see updates made widely available at the release.. I pipe dream, but would be nice!
This could happen if Google took a little more control over the OS and upgrades instead of letting the carriers be so involved, and demanding more from the HW manufacturers.
49. freedomispopular (Posts: 10; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
It's open source. Manufacturers and carriers can do whatever they want with it. I'd rather deal with the downsides of open source than the downsides of "closed garden." Besides, I'm really not even sure how much control Google is allowed to take because of the open source licensing.
9. sheepygalaxy (Posts: 68; Member since: 10 Mar 2012)
hear in the uk we wont get jellybean until next year we can't even get ics for the s2 yet
11. jan25 (Posts: 463; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
it's time for phone manufacturers to stop meddling around with stock Android and give us the experience the way it's meant to be, or at least give us the option. that way we don't have to wait for ages to receive an update just so that they ruin it with their laggy and buggy UIs.
47. freedomispopular (Posts: 10; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
Stock Android really isn't the most user friendly interface in the world. It's fine for people like us but for non-techy people who aren't used to interacting with stuff like that, it can be kind of overwhelming. The manufacturer overlays are an attempt to remedy that. Yes, they're often laggy and bloated, and that's a major problem. Though, as I understand it, Sense 4.0 is supposed to be much more streamlined and very smooth, and TouchWiz on unbranded phones is supposedly smooth as butter, as a couple examples.
13. roryschmitz (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
Hasn't the newest flavor always made a debut on the flagship Nexus devices? Why would JB be any different? Galaxy Nexus was released Q4 '11 if I'm not mistaken. I'm guessing JB will land on the next release of a Nexus device.
14. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
I don't think Jelly Bean hype could steal the Windows 8 show.
Windows 8 hype will be so big that no one will notice, anything around aside from Apple stuff.
Also releasing Jelly Bean just to steal the show is a very screwing decision.
19. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)
The folks need to understand what "release" means for Google.
When Google "releases" a new Android version, it runs on exactly zero, nada, nothing.
It's simply the base for developers and vendors to build from. From that point in time it's still 4 to 8 months before it runs on a single device.
48. freedomispopular (Posts: 10; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
Exactly. It takes months of coding and beta testing to make sure it's COMPLETELY 100% stable on every device (and even then, it's often not, mostly due to bloated overlays ad bloatware), and then if it's not an unbranded phone, it has to go through the carriers and get their approval and they have to code and test THEIR modifications.
30. yt6nin (Posts: 100; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Android is simply hated for its fragmentation, period. Simply as that. If fragmentation was there, may be things will be a lot smoother for us Android owners, but I already love Android, despite the fragmentation, because I get more customization as opposed to the lame iPhone where things are so boring. It does get a lot more developer support and love, as well as being more professional with organization... It's a either or situation with iOS vs. Android, I guess we just can't have the best of everything or of both worlds...
32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i still have my doubts about jellybean being anything more than the first major revision of ICS. They are not going to change anything, just add a few new features and bug patches, Ala android 2.1,2.2,2.3. Peeps need to stop getting so excited about it.
Besides, you should be HAPPY that you didnt get ICS right away. Cool, its awesome that ur the first to the new system, but that also means you get to deal with the fact that the bulk of apps were not immediately compatible with the new system. They never are... on ANY system. Apps have to be updated to be compatible, weather its android, iOS, or windows. That extra few months gives developers enough time to get their ducks in order, so when you do get your ICS upgrade, everything is running super smooth.
The only people that SHOULD be on a new system right away are early adopters that dont mind bugs and issues. If you dont want bugs and issues, you should always WAIT to upgrade.
34. chrisbo5 (Posts: 31; Member since: 26 Jan 2012)
I think that its wrong that the latest operating system is not even available to the 95% of its users, but yet the next system will be released in the same year. and i bet my rezound wouldnt be able to even get the upgraded os. whats the point of make ics if by the time all the phones got it, a new system is out. they should just put the os on the market and buy it if you want it." ice cream sandwich 4.0.2 update 19.99 , jelly bean 5.0 update 24.99"
51. freedomispopular (Posts: 10; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. It's not like Windows where you can just install it on any computer as long as you meet the system requirements. Each build of Android has to be coded SPECIFICALLY for each device. So even though there's one set of source code, you can't just load it up on any phone and have it work. The developers have to go through the long process of modifying hundreds of bits of code to make it work with a specific device. This is why it takes so long. The manufacturer has to code it (and they've got several different phones in their lineup, so they have to prioritize their time and money), then they've gotta code whatever software overlay the install on top of stock Android, and then, assuming you're not using an international unbranded phone, it has to meet the carrier's approval, and the carrier will make several modifications to it as well. Both the manufacturer and the carrier will spend months coding and beta testing to make sure it's stable. So you can see why it takes so long, and you can see why some phones, unless it's a priority to update them, will never get an update.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
am i the only one that gets tired of people whining about not getting free instant OS updates whenever a new rumor about something pops up? good lord.
44. LoneShaolin (Posts: 307; Member since: 14 Jan 2012)
Agreed. "Wah wah wah I don't have ICS wah wah wah" gets tiring fast. I recently got back into Android and am still playing around with Gingerbread. ICS can take it's time for all I care. It wouldn't be a stock OS on my Skyrocket or my wife's Atrix 2 anyways.
42. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
There seem to be confusion about this matter, can anybody define what's fragmentation in the cellphone software world, or the term it's purely been invented to discredit an OS vs another one?
45. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Does anyone think should wait to buy a JELLY BEAN NEXUS phone?