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LG and HTC join forces with Google, all now backing Samsung in its patent brawl with Apple

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LG and HTC join forces with Google, all now backing Samsung in its patent brawl with Apple

They are fierce rivals. They usually try to outfox each other and score one more customer over their direct competitors. They'll battle each other for more a bigger bite of the market with a wide range of legal (and illegal) means.

Say what you want about the top-tier Android manufacturers, like Samsung, LG, HTC, but there's something that unites them all in a large-scale entente - their mutual "antipathy" towards Apple and its usual desire to enforce its patent rights to the fullest.

It looks like LG and HTC might have just joined forces with Samsung, Google, and a few other tech companies in their patent battle against Cupertino, which has been trying to force a sales ban of a number of allegedly patent-infringing Samsung products.

The smartphone makers are trying to back Sammy and El Goog in their plead for litigation. Google, LG, and HTC, among others, even required for permission to sign an amicus curiae brief, which means that all of them want to willingly provide the court with testimony and information regarding the Samsung-Apple patent saga without being explicitly asked to by the court and Judge Lucy Koh, in particular.

Meanwhile, in Apple's camp, we see no major smartphone maker willing to back Cupertino in its patent-enforcing endeavors.

Last December, Samsung and Apple met once again in the US Court of Appeals, where judges extensively questioned them about the allegedly patent-infringing products. The point of this most recent questioning as to determine whether Apple should be entitled the full award of $930 million or a lower portion of it. 

source: Scribd via Foss Patents

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posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:51 38

1. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10434; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I thought I'd never see this day come. :')

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:09 5

13. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I'm not sure what HTC and LG bring to the party as it were. HTC already was on the losing end of a patent fight with Apple. LG may have signed a similar deal with Apple, only we don't know about it due to a nondisclosure provision.

This sounds more like HTC and LG piling on than anything else. I suspect they are hoping to see Sammy's damages hit reduced so they can in turn push for a similar reduction in the royalty rate they have to pay Apple.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 07:28 3

33. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3714; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Maybe, but it's good to see LG and HTC are backing up Sammy with Google.

Is that The Rock vs the Stone Cold Steve Austin?

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 10:39 4

43. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8369; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Here is what HTC brings. Apple claimed their patents weren't fpor sale, or they wanted to charge an arm and a leg to license. Samsung even stated Apple ask way to much in licensing. They foced HTC who simpluy didnt have the money to battle APple and they gave in. However, if Apple did sell HTC patents at a low cost that it wasn't willl to sell to Samsung at a similar cost, then Apple could be in serious trouble. Especially if these are the same patents Apple sued Samsung with, but freely sold to HTC.

Not sure what LG brings, but yet again LG could also say hey we also tried to license and APple was being a bigot and the fact you all garnted them patents they should never have received.

With overwhelming evidence show that Apple simply was allowed to patent things that were not novel and were very obvious, Koh will have no choice but to reverse the ruling. Apple isn't entitled to a dime. The only phone Samsung made that even looks like an iPhone was the original Galaxy S. No other devic ethey make comes close.

Yet you have these chinese company's like GooPhone who makes phones that are 100% identical and Apple hasnt said a word.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 21:22 1

56. downphoenix (Posts: 3155; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


The reason Apple isn't going after companies like goophone is because they are based in China and the Chinese Government will just defend their own manufacturer.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 08:30 5

36. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


ANDROID ARMY UNITED WE STAND! Apple think they have the right to own everything when the technology already existed we just need Sony to join. Remember the greedy fruit BANNED htc ONE x few years ago. Now payback is going to be a bytch against Apple

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:53 15

2. The_Godfather (Posts: 186; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


And XIaomi gonna back Apple in its brawl since they copy every damn thing from Apple lolz.

Good to see LG and HTC backing up Sammy.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:04

10. phljcnth (Posts: 481; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Lenovo and Goophone will stand by Apple no matter what.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:08 4

12. anirudhshirsat97 (Posts: 408; Member since: 24 May 2011)


xioami make great phones. I own a mi3 infact but no one can deny they are Apples biggest copycats. Recent example of lenovo copying apple. I mean seriously whats with chinese companies and copying.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:20 1

20. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)


They still can't think of their own designs.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 06:59 2

32. joey_sfb (Posts: 5339; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


iOS 7 is a copy of MIUI 5. But so what, said XiaoMi CEO.

Their primary focus is still phone sales. As long as some one would buy they will sell. If this you copy me mentality prevails in the 30's only ford will be allow to make cars. Only cocola is allow to make coke flavour drink.

Apple hardcore fans need to wake up their idea. Silly group of people.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 10:42 3

44. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8369; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Apple is a Chinese company in disguise as a US company.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:53 1

3. mitoita (Posts: 77; Member since: 03 Apr 2014)


shame on them....

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:57 16

7. The_Godfather (Posts: 186; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


shame on you......

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:41 1

26. mitoita (Posts: 77; Member since: 03 Apr 2014)


iff they can beat now they try to kill:)) ( ban the products....)
your stupid like night :)

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:54 19

4. shaineql (Posts: 344; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


You cant do anything against apple , its main US company with Obama and bunch of fanboys behind it. Even if you win in court like samsung did earlier , Obama will veto it and GG.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:55 6

5. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10434; Member since: 14 May 2012)


And where is Google from? Oh right.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:09 4

14. shaineql (Posts: 344; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)


Ye ye , give me a break , if you look at it like that than samsung is US too , korea was US colony until recently , do you really think America left just like that ? Hell no.Man behind samsung is part of those who rule all the major companies in the world, we all know it .

You really think companies that are ruled by the same people care about few mils worth of patents , ofc not .All this legal bs is just a research to see who gets more support by customers so they can push that company more instead of the other.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:17 7

16. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10434; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I stopped reading after the first two lines. My brain couldn't process so much errors at once.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 17:30

54. Pattyface (Posts: 1519; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


I was thinking that same thing.. My god that was some broken up garbled mess of words

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:47 4

27. drunkenjay (Posts: 859; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)


i dont even know what your are talking about... US is US and korea is korea. US never took control of korea, US helped korea. learn some history or dont talk about it.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 08:47 2

37. TBomb (Posts: 688; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


Sure Google is American... but it's also viewed as the big bad wolf because it makes money off of your information... Apple is viewed as the perfect All-American son.... good grades in school. captain of varisty teams. popular. funny. and rich.

To keep the metaphor alive... let's say their brothers.... in this case.. Apple would be the favorite and Google would be the forgotten child.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:00 1

9. Bozzor (Posts: 169; Member since: 02 May 2012)


I believe you may need to study a little more about the Separation of Powers between the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary...

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:05 4

11. laughmi (banned) (Posts: 283; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


That always happens. Apple keeps on stealing innovation from Samsung/Google and others and patent others innovation. But I don't have any hope from US/China courts. They favor too much their companies over foreign companies and kill the innovation. Allowing angles and icons to be patented was horrible. why don't patent a phone and just allow Motorola to manufacture it?? Oh a sheep might say Apple invented the mobile technology! Damn sheeps.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:18 1

19. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10434; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Ironic since you have Cook as your avatar picture.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:27 5

23. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)


But his username is "laughmi", which also means "laugh me", and guess who's the "mi"? Xiaomi.

So, his avatar picture is supposed to be sarcasticly laughing at Tim Cook, not supporting Tim Cook. Am "mi" right?

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 05:16 3

30. laughmi (banned) (Posts: 283; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


Wow great and funny analogy! laughmi because after reading Xiaomi's Redmi 1s reviews I can't help laughing on Xiaomi.

Image becz of reply #29

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 05:12 1

29. laughmi (banned) (Posts: 283; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


Oh. Look carefully thats just a funny pic of Cook. I hope this new avatar won't let you belive I am an iSheep.

PS.- I personally belive Tim Cook is the most funniest gay... I mean guy in the world!

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 03:56 10

6. phljcnth (Posts: 481; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Go slay that bitch!

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:00 13

8. Diezparda (Posts: 840; Member since: 23 Oct 2013)


good moves, Apple patent kill the real innovation

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:14 9

15. TAMARETTE (Posts: 182; Member since: 15 Jun 2014)


i HOPE it's not too little too late. Where were these companies during the trial when Samsung could really have used the backup? Apple managed to win and stain Samsung's reputation amongst the sheep. After the Christmas season Apple managed to sell almost 70 million iPhones and have enough pin money to hire a sea of lawyers and lobbyists not to mention line the pockets of a corrupt judiciary and congress.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 09:47 1

40. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


They were probably alread licking their wounds from their last trial suit in which HTC lost. LG currently doesnt have the funds to join.

Pretty much this is them saying, dont screw sammy cause then we are next. This is them pleaing for sammy to have a reduced sentence so in future suits, they can say, look, the patents were over valued.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 10:51 1

45. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8369; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


They should naver have been granted. Slide-To-Unlock is a perfect example. It is simply a cumputer generated imiatition of a sliding door lock. It doesn't do anything difference. Its only difference is it is not mechanical, its jst a representation. But the concept is 100% identical. So thus it fails the novel and non-obvious part of the patent requirement.

I would go on, but I know it will fall on deaf ears.

Whose to say these companies tried to patent similar things in the past in their countries but where told as they all told APple, these things are obvious inventions that have been done already. They arent new and thus all those courts overturn any bans they may have granted orginally.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:17 1

17. Jamoga (Posts: 187; Member since: 17 Dec 2014)


hahah, all weak make a pack to prey on one. whole android community has to come together to take one company lol. tsk tsk shame that one couldnt stand up to it alone.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 08:59

38. TBomb (Posts: 688; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


Power doesn't mean you're right. The US has a bunch of power... doesn't mean they're right. ISIS has power... doesn't mean they're right. Revolutionary War... British had power over the colonies... doesn't mean they were right. It took a whole bunch to fight them off and win. When one has more power than you, yeah, you need numbers. It's not a shame that Samsung needed help. It's a shame that they were put in that position to begin with.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 10:59 2

46. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8369; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


United we stand, divided we fall. Haven't you heard that? How many company's stood up against Microsoft? LOTS OF THEM. It wasn't one it was lots.

What Apple is doing is wrong. They keep getting their @$$ kicked because they have a business model which automatically give them small marketshares. They increase their costs yet give nothing. They dont sell premium products. They sell cheap products inside a fancy looking case and peopel fall on their faces. Fine.

But because you cant compete in an open market where even though you make the most popular products, but you cant even get the vast majority of them to more people is too bad. Apple purposely keeps supply limited to increase demad and they inflate their cost and give you nothing. How is it APple can sell a phone with 1080 at at exborbant cost when its 3 years phones where other phones are 1/2 the cost and also have top end 1080 displays. The Galaxy S5 is a year old and the Galaxy S4 is 2 years old and both sport a 1080p display that are both better than the iPhone's 6 Plus present display. Yet the Galasy S5 was the same price as the S4 and even tho they both share a 1080P display, the S5 has a much better one. In fact, DisplayMate rated it the best display on a smartphone and it wasnt beaten until the Note 4. The iPhoen display hasnt been top dog since the iPhone 4.

So what benefit has these patents really been for Apple? NON. No one cares about how they unlock the lock screen.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 12:18

52. Jamoga (Posts: 187; Member since: 17 Dec 2014)


united we stand divided we fall. then why dont they share their profits and loss then :/ its eat or be eaten. you make mistake, you pay for it. did any body pay sympathy for iphone bending ? no, other companies made fun of it. like wise for s5. they all are competing with each. better realise it nw then later. only thing here it, samsung knws it wont make an impact alone. they need to team up. patents are also properties of that company, if sold, it can fetch money, and people do care for it.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:18 12

18. tiara6918 (Posts: 2019; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


The evil company must die, that fruit must rot

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:24 9

21. Kruze (Posts: 1285; Member since: 30 Dec 2014)


Awesome! Teach this fruit a lesson! I hope more companies will join Samsung in this battle.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:25 5

22. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1010; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)


There will be no winner for every war as both parties injured, no exceptional case for this case.

In the end, Chinese oems are the one clapping hand and watch them burning cash to fight this meaningless war

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:28

24. rowdysheeter (Posts: 74; Member since: 10 Sep 2014)


Good.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:33 1

25. Loubielou (Posts: 501; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Why?doesn"t Apple take All the Chinese phone makers Who Copy there phones,Apple Should be in the Tennis Market were theres Loads of Courts to Play on not the Mobile Market were they Act like Little Babies when someone Offers a Better Product than them,they Think they are Superior but look how the Treat there Employees,they just use them like little Dogs and pay them Little as Well,Mr Cook why don"t you just take a Look how Babyish your Company is Run

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 09:47 1

41. elitewolverine (Posts: 5084; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Because China does not have the same laws on copyright as we do.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 04:58 1

28. darkvadervip (Posts: 365; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


They better hope microsoft or IBM don't back up apple!

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 11:03 4

47. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8369; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Microsoft has a cross-license with Apple. I think the main reason the iPhone doesn't use SDcard because it requires licensing the exFAT patent from Microsoft. Apple doesn't like to license anything. They rather steal it first make it poopular so they make enough so if you do win a lawsuit which is rare, they have the money to cover the damages.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 11:16

48. Like-A-Sir (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 08 Jan 2015)


you should post more
youre like oxfff

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 06:59

31. GeorgeDao123 (Posts: 423; Member since: 20 Aug 2013)


Nice. Everything is for a better day! Good job, Android team.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 07:37

34. romeo1 (Posts: 705; Member since: 06 Jan 2012)


Now only sony should join the team. They probably would be good this way 2 i guess. But if all would just be against apple it would be great. Stupid company sueing others because they can't figure new things out. If they'd just keep focusing on their own phones instead of sueing others for theirs ios would probably be allot better than its today

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 08:21 1

35. caesantos (Posts: 86; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


I think other companies that use Android OS will come together against Apple. Now that HTC and LG had the courage to do it, It's just a matter of time for the others do the same.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 09:27 3

39. iOSLMFAO (banned) (Posts: 290; Member since: 15 Dec 2014)


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Get some apple, you filthy b*tch! Ha! About goddam time the big boys got together and said "enough". Nothing will come of it since the judges and even the president are in apples dirty stinking pocket, but it does give hope.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 09:55 1

42. pegasso (Posts: 270; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


they should ask Nokia to join the party

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 11:18 2

50. Like-A-Sir (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 08 Jan 2015)


and sony fujitsu panasonic sharp nec toshiba and kick this bs pos patent troll company out

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 11:17

49. TimCook (banned) (Posts: 450; Member since: 23 Oct 2014)


Google,Samy, HTC and LG are joining forces to face Apple.

That's Pathetic.

People don't respect pathetic things.

Long live Apple, you have left your mark in history and you have made everyone fear you ..

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 11:22 3

51. Like-A-Sir (banned) (Posts: 67; Member since: 08 Jan 2015)


you support the bad ugly and a patent troll company who brainwashes users by telling them they are the first and best
looks like you talk and provide bs bogus to people
do you give wrong bad advise to your kids and family telling them wrong and right
so you support the lies and bs, but not the truth
apple are patent trolls
the world and everyone knows that, even in the internet. tech forums and editors agree, accept you

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 13:57

53. Dr.Hye (Posts: 95; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


out of all these concerns commentsI have not read one person asking as to why Apple a so-called US company is so heavily invested in China. Like literally all of their phones and product are made overseas in China so is it a surprise that's so many Chinese manufacturers are somewhat copying Apple? So I ask you again to all you Apple fan peoplewhy doesn't apple make youtube your products in the United States besides the design and all that other crap really what does Apple made in the US I mean the charger ridiculous price for their product and their product isn't even made in the US. Everybody's heard the saying anything that's made in China is cheap useless and breaks easily so why is it that Apple charge such a ridiculous premium for their phones and products Wow everything is made in China I don't see where Apple has made an investment in the US market besides selling stocks and shares I don't see any investment in the in the US by Apple. Everybody likes to talk about how great a place where their products are but not completely understanding words mean and the conditions its made under. also tall you apple fanboy keep in mind by next year 2016 almost 80 percent of the product inside of your iphone will be made by the one and only Samsung because apparently Apple can't make your own products I mean I can design a phone on a piece of paper to I know friends who took 3d design as ur degree and can make phones but if you can't really producing anything in your own market or I mean your own countryyou're really not all that in my opinion anyways.

posted on 08 Jan 2015, 18:57 1

55. TAMARETTE (Posts: 182; Member since: 15 Jun 2014)


a LOT of us have been saying it. Apple have never made ONE SINGLE iPhone in the USA. In the past, many more parts were made by Samsung for Apple. All of the Apple processors until the 5S were made by Samsung for Apple. A vast percentage of the batteries and the Apple Retina displays were made by Samsung and the "Retina" screens were co developed by Samsung and Apple, and manufactured by Samsung. But when Samsung got too big, they gave most of their display market to LG, And when LG gets too big, Apple will begin building OLED screens in China in a Foxconn plant they are sinking 3 Billion dollars into.

Meanwhile, Samsung are a true manufacturing company, and have massive plants in the USA. Including the plant in Austin Texas that Samsung sank 15 Billion dollars into. That plant was meant to build A8 processors for Apple and put billions of dollars into the US Economy. But Apple pulled out at the last minute and could have cared less whether Americans were employed.

posted on 09 Jan 2015, 06:39

57. zachki17 (Posts: 261; Member since: 14 Sep 2014)


Are you dumpp ... There is only samsung .. Sharp and lg .. Who make display in the whole world ... Apple ips display made by lg you dump asss you know nothing about phone apple its only brand .. And design ..

posted on 09 Jan 2015, 07:33

58. TAMARETTE (Posts: 182; Member since: 15 Jun 2014)


Samsung is the biggest manufacturer, true, but many others make displays now, especially now that Apple are funding Chinese sweatshops to try and cripple the bigger manufacturers.

It's "dumb" not "dumpp" genius. I'm just going to get the record straight. Your rudeness is only equaled by your stupidity.

Samsung also manufactured every iPhone processor up until the A8 (iPhone 6) which is now made in China by foxconn. Now Samsung are currently making the A9 chip which will be used in the iPhone 7 according to many reports.

Samsung make by far the greater number of components including RAM, flash memory, and battery. Or they did not sure what Apple are planning for the iPhone 7 and don't really care. I stopped giving a damn about Apple long ago.

posted on 09 Jan 2015, 15:54

61. Dr.Hye (Posts: 95; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


to zachki17 please read these articles to educate yourself and then come back to talk with the big boys. My dear little boy you are still young and have lots to learn. please read for your education. And these are all apple fan sites as well so that you can't claim BS...first 2 are from yours truly Phone area articles. the rest are from apple fan pages.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-built-A7-processor-rocks-the-new-Apple-iPhone-5s_id47633

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-to-provide-Apple-with-parts-for-future-Apple-iPhone-6-production_id63261

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/23/samsung-still-reportedly-supplying-40-of-apple-a8-chips-for-iphone-6-6-plus

posted on 09 Jan 2015, 15:56

62. Dr.Hye (Posts: 95; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)


additionally................you don't have to believe me, really, the facts are all there.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-to-supply-80-of-iPhone-and-iPad-processors-by-2016_id62947

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-already-delivering-14nm-A9-chipset-samples-for-the-iPhone-7-to-Apple_id63737

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