Samsung and Apple battle in Appeals Court over $930 million awarded to Cupertino in first patent trial

Samsung and Apple battle in Appeals Court over $930 million awarded to Cupertino in first patent trial
Last March, Judge Lucy Koh had signed off on the final tally of $930 million that a second jury had awarded Apple, after the initial jury ruled that Samsung had infringed on its rival's patents. The original jury had awarded Apple $1.05 billion, but Judge Koh had found some inconsistencies in how they came to that amount, and had ordered a second trial on the damages.

Samsung had appealed the $930 million award, and on Thursday lawyers from both sides were peppered by questions from the three judges sitting on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. Much of the questioning dealt with whether certain parts of the Apple iPhone were functional, or just a design.

One major issue that was brought up in the courtroom, was whether Apple should be entitled to all of the profits Samsung made on devices that were found to have infringed on Apple's patents. The court sent volleys of questions to Samsung attorney Kathleen Sullivan, forcing her to play defense most of the time. On the other hand, Apple attorney William Lee was asked quite a few questions about the $382 million portion of the jury award that was related to Samsung's use of the distinctive iPhone look. Don't be surprised if the court decides to reduce the amount of money awarded to Apple to cover that specific claim. A decision from the Appeals Court probably won't be announced for several months.

While the first trial covered older models, a second patent trial between Apple and Samsung was held earlier this year. The suit included claims by Apple of patent infringement on more recent Samsung handsets, including the extremely popular Samsung Galaxy S III. While Apple sought $2.2 billion, the jury awarded Apple $119.6 million, a figure which was considered a victory for Samsung.

source: WSJ

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47 Comments

1. engineer-1701d unregistered

i say samsumg increase the prices on parts and labor to double the money back

3. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

Clearly you don't know how business works. If they did Apple would ditch Samsung completely and find it cheaper, damaging their profits all together.

7. engineer-1701d unregistered

clearly smurf you dont know the tech world not many companies can do 20 and 14nm chips samsung being top dog here, if samsung dropped apple apple could not recover from it it would takes 2 years for a company to take over production on that size even splitting contracts are in place, and for all you tech guys out there that know apples bs about multi touch and pinch to zoom here is jeff han with demo of this a year before apples first iphone, (i wonder where they got the idea from) hint hint he says it many times at the start of the video. also about multitouch being around since the 80's

17. ara.armagedon unregistered

First of all they have long term contracts, second of all it is against the law to charge an individual company more than others...

34. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Could you provide a citation to support your claim? Differential pricing occurs all the time.

26. tedkord

Posts: 17357; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Apple has nearly a trillion dollars sitting in the bank. They could set up any company with what they needed to meet their demand.

33. rob5150

Posts: 183; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

The last company apple tried to setup to do something new was the Sapphire glass company. Well guess what. Apple put them out of business. Google it.

38. tedkord

Posts: 17357; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

That was Sapphire. No one has been able to make it the way Apple wanted with the yield they would need. Processor fabbing at 20nm and 14nm are a different story. There are several companies that could do it, including Intel and TMSC. Apple could easily buy them the facilities needed.

32. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Supidity must run deep in you. TSMC took over last year to cover 60% of chip production while Samsung has 40%. Now Samsung is gonna get 80%. What does that tell you fool? Apple needs Samsung. Sure Samsung needs the money. What di don't get is Samsung makes the second most popular devices. If Apple can't get their crap to market, that means Samsung sells even more product and will make more money. Samsung doesn't need Apple. Until you get that through your big thick ignorant skull, the sooner you will grow up and stop being a mislead sheep.

37. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Samsung doesnt need apple? You really think it is just that 'easy'. Intel would gobble up that business like nothing if they could most likely a long term contract is stopping apple from doing so. Not to mention since their macs use intel already, bridging that divide would be nothing. Especially since hte new 14nm baytrail can do anything any arm can do.

44. g2a5b0e unregistered

You have the uncanny ability to sound both ridiculously offensive & ignorant whenever you post anything. Good job.

47. xfire99

Posts: 1205; Member since: Mar 14, 2012

Clearly you havent followed the news, that Apple have been trying since almost 2 years and still crawling back to Samsung. More like Apple are damaging theirs own profits, when others manufactures cant meet the demands that Apple need and still need Samsungs help for it.

10. Martin_Cooper

Posts: 1774; Member since: Jul 30, 2013

You have any idea what a contract is? Apple isnt chit chatting with samsung over product but they sign contracts that go for years ahead. If by your logic samsung did that they would get penalised via the contracts and loose so much money. Plus apple could invest that money in some other companies like they are doing lately.

2. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

Hopefully we won't see a SINGLE LAW SUIT by the greedy fruit for 2015. This shyt is getting old.

4. PapaSmurf

Posts: 10457; Member since: May 14, 2012

Well at this rate Apple won't be seeing a penny for a few years tbh.

35. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

There will be a decision from the CA in a few months. Whether Sammy or Apple appeal the decision depends on whether the Supremes grant certiorari. In any event, expect the CA to reduce the award. It is inevitable in patent litigation - juries go nuts and the CA reins them in.

5. Ashoaib

Posts: 3282; Member since: Nov 15, 2013

samsung is declining and apple is not going to face tough competition from them at the moment, so I think apple will not play dirty trick of icourts for sometime. I hope this old trick will end up with apple winning nothing

8. engineer-1701d unregistered

well they are in trouble as of yesterday with the deleting peoples songs not from itunes on ipods thats why i never got past a ipod 1st gen crashed my laptop 3 times.

28. xondk

Posts: 1904; Member since: Mar 25, 2014

I don't understand people are saying this, yes samsung had less profit this year, but as far as my impressions go, most the android users I know aren't 6 month, 12 month, upgrade users. So if they are perfectly happy with their sgs4 which sold great then why would they get a sgs5? Yes I am aware that apple's phones sell insanely well, even when they aren't really getting that big an upgrade, don't understand why people do it but they are of course allowed to do so. But that does not mean that samsung is declining at least in my opinion, not every year is going to outsell the previous, that just isn't how the normal world works.

6. xtroid2k

Posts: 601; Member since: Jan 11, 2010

This will go on and on and on. Just like the 10 year old case just being heard now. Its awesome; they hate and love eacher.

9. Planterz

Posts: 2120; Member since: Apr 30, 2012

This is all like a bad soap opera. Or rather, just a soap opera ("bad" is inherent). 2 bitter rivals that can't stop getting in bed with each other.

11. mamadathu

Posts: 48; Member since: Mar 01, 2014

Off topic : is it safe to use online transaction in a rooted phone?? I want to purchase some apps google playstore my phone is rooted so is it safe to give the debit card information???

12. Planterz

Posts: 2120; Member since: Apr 30, 2012

Extremely off-topic, but yes, for the most part. Use a superuser app. If you're not, then you certainly need to be. SuperSU is the best. It grants/denies permissions to apps that require root user access. Most importantly, don't install apps that require root access but you don't trust the source of those apps (like hacked apps from torrents or random download sites). If you warezed a game and it wants access to information it shouldn't need, deny access and delete that s@#$. No offense, but asking this question is like buying a gun and asking what the trigger does. Do some damn research. Pluck your head from your anus. You've rooted your phone. Great. But nobody is going to hold your hand while you walk through a minefield. You need to understand what you've done and what you're doing, and asking questions in a completely unrelated context typically won't get you the answers you need. It's very possible you'll be given bad advice. It's your responsibility to do the research and reading. xda-developers is a great place to start. You probably won't understand 10% of what's being said. This is where your education begins. Learn what's going on. Learn the lingo/jargon/terms. Read the guides. Get yourself the effing clue that you need. But yeah, go ahead and buy an app on the Play Store with your rooted phone, as long as you haven't done something idiotic like installing apps/games/hacks from other sites that you can't trust.

14. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

lololololololololololololol Wow this just sounded like XDA for a second. Geezzz I think you could have said it a bit nicer. I get you, but he maybe new to the root scene. We were all new at one time... We were all not experts overnight... This indeed took time. Don't forget your humble beginnings. Dude you dropped the hammer a bit too harshly... Cut the dude some slack... +1 for the good yet somewhat harsh information. It's not that serious.

16. Planterz

Posts: 2120; Member since: Apr 30, 2012

No, we're not experts overnight, and that's the point. Root is very powerful, and potentially very dangerous. And yes, I speak from (bad) experience. I've been there, and I If this guy doesn't know what root can or can't do, then he shouldn't be f$%@ing with it. Knowledge is power, and power without knowledge is blind and reckless. Harsh? Good! You don't give a drivers license to some random jerkoff who's watched cars driving by. You don't give a medical degree to anybody who as a WebMD account. Root access has the potential to completely muck things up. It's very easy to think you're more clever than you really are (again, personal experience). Reading and research is the key. I'm far from an expert, but at this point I've at the very least learned my limitations.

19. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

Dude you don't get it. You might be one of those miserable people in this world & that's fine. Everything you said was correct, but the only thing you lack is compassion. This guy is obviously new & just needs a point in the right direction, not some person belittling him from his high horse. If you really speak from experience then you know it doesn't feel good to be talked down to. That's all I am saying. You don't need to be so harsh. Lighten up, life is too short & like I said before... It's NOT that serous.

15. xtroid2k

Posts: 601; Member since: Jan 11, 2010

This is a common yet all the time frustrating thing I see. I see highly talented people harshly critizing less knowledgeable inidividuals for something they have asked. Maybe in your mind this question was like asking "what the trigger does on a gun" However he asked a question. So yes that means "he doesn't know what the trigger does on a gun" and for god sake you better tell him. As an IT manager I have had discussions with employees who are highly technical however lack people skills. I contstant reinforce the concept of people first. I see it at work and on websites like this one. Part of the learning process is passing on the information. you did extremly well in describing the informaiton however completly destroyed its value by telling him to pull his head from his anus. Sometimes if you don't have nothing nice to say don't say it all

21. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

That's right, he gave some solid & concise points BUT his manner of delivery was incredibly bad. No one likes to be lectured or belittled & that's exactly what he did. +1 for decency!

13. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

Your information is saved with Google. It doesn't matter if your phone is rooted or not. My phone is rooted & I have never had any issues. Just make sure NFC is off when you are not using it.

18. mamadathu

Posts: 48; Member since: Mar 01, 2014

@planterz I didn't threatened you so why u have been harsh so much I ask a question which I do not know so dont act like a douchbag

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