Galaxy S7 may come with ClearForce pressure-sensitive display tech
1. vincelongman (Posts: 4106; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
I hope ClearForce doesn't fail like Synaptics's ForcePad from 2012
Lots of potential if it takes off this time
Synaptics's should asked Huawei/Google to put it in the Nexus 6P and 5X, since those are really popular among developers
43. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Does everyone notice that the screen on the video is fake?, you can see it shaking out of alignment... dont they at least have a working prototype to show off in their ads, instead of this video overlay trick?
76. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
And the phone is huawei mate 7 :D
150. vincelongman (Posts: 4106; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
Most ads use rendered screen
This one is worse in terms of quality
166. KRONeage (Posts: 142; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
@vincelongman @AlikMalix They aren't trying to fool anyone you morons. But Synaptic obviously invented the whole 3D Force screen, trackpad and controller market back as early as 2010. In 2011 HP began work on their products still selling today. Synaptics ClearPad controllers and digitizer technology...... are and have been used in capacitive screen and notebook trackpads since then.
So it #1 hasn't failed and in fact they are up to version ClearPad 5 or 6 release now!
In 2012 they also started work with Samsung utilizing 3D Force ClearPad Technology on Air View. Which is the original 3D Force Touchscreen technology by Synaptic. The difference is only in where the air insulator is located. Either between the screen and glass or above it.
And BTW..... S7 will be bringing both technologies with it in a revised edition of Air View 3D Force!!! .....meaning using both Air View and 3D ClearForce Technologies! xD
116. tedkord (Posts: 10263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I know, right. Copying is Apples thing.
122. LookyKai (Posts: 25; Member since: 12 Sep 2015)
Apple's copying many things, it's true. and guess what? android OEMs copied the success of Apple's copied thing.
124. tedkord (Posts: 10263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
So, if you're the first to copy something it's okay. If you're the second or beyond to copy then its just awful. Got it.
Or, for a more full translation, if Apple copies it's ok. If anyone else copies, it's criminal.
132. LookyKai (Posts: 25; Member since: 12 Sep 2015)
no, i didn't say it's awful, it's a shame from big company especially samsung nowadays. and who said it's a crime? only you i guess. you guys fandroids keep bragging about apple copied from something, when apple copied or stole (whatever you say) something it became revolutionized. see Touch ID fingerprint sensor, FT (3D Touch), 64bit, unibody design, no Media card, apple pay, then samsung pay, and then google wallet changed name to android pay. many of android OEMs became followers of Apple.
153. cheetah2k (Posts: 1507; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
So the first guy to make a rectangular TV was ok. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (and so on) to copy are copycats...
Suppose it could be worse - Apple could be claiming they invented the technology like touch screens lol
167. KRONeage (Posts: 142; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
You foolish led Tim Crook wantabee Applewellian Prole Brainwashed Proles still think the Con Jobs from the Cult of the Rotting Worm Eaten Logo have invented EVERYTHING.... Eons Before the DAWN of TIME..... IMMORTAL! lol.....
I bet you still see apparitions of Saint Steve Jobs appearing floating in front of you, claiming he invented YOU and is your iGod!
Fingerprint Sensors? Samsung partnered with Authentic back in 2004 launch of Touch ID Capacitive Fingerprint Sensors for their Secure Access Door Locks, Front Door Entry, Medical Locker Restrictive Locking in Hospitals, etc. They even patented the first Touch ID sensor under the Home Button in Touchscreen phones in 2011, two years before Apple.
After Apple finding that patent and realizing they planned to use it in Galaxy S3. (btw... Touch ID's own manual was discovered in S3's firmware.... you stupid iSheep! ......and the only reason it didn't launch is your precious Apple, stole it... and bum rushed Authentic out from under them. They simply bought them off the market and shut down any existing deals with HP, Motorola (first w/ fingerprint sensor in a phone), and many other original Authentic customers!
Samsung's "Air View" uses Synaptic's 3D Force Patented in 2010 "ClearPad" technology and here's the link to prove that: http://www.synaptics.com/en/pr
Samsung Pay? lol... Dude you are clearly a severely deluded Cult of the Bitten Apple Logo follower. Which is like saying you are even more deluded than a...... well actually you probably are a iJihadist in iSheep's Clothing!!! xD
168. LookyKai (Posts: 25; Member since: 12 Sep 2015)
many fandroids i know says when apple released iPhone 4.7" and 5.5" screen size on 6s and 6s Plus in 2014, they laughed about it and talks it copied samsung smartphones. so Apple going bigger screen means copied android OEMs? as a reminder, in 2013 apple still released 4" phone the iPhone 5s, while at that time many bigger screen size (like my LG nexus 5 4.91" same year production). and it still selling well up until now i think.
so you care about fingerprints on all of things you mentioned? i don't, because i don't use it on my daily routine. it's what implemented on smartphones, became popular and works like a charm. stole it? or you meant bought it? then why samsung didn't buy the company? Motorola ATRIX in 2011, no one copied until 2013 iphone 5s came out. then, in 2014 samsung tried with fingerprint sensor on Note 4 and S5 remember "swiper finger to unlock" not really satisfied the users. until they released the right one on 2015 with S6 series and Note 5 (works JUST Like Touch ID).
i never told that apple innovate things, it's just when apple do something with the copied features, mostly it became revolutionary in mobile industry, then others follow.
82. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
Parena how said on force touch "street name" what a idiots.. that is official.. dumbasses..
That your pathetic "3D touch on iphone.. omg what is soo 3D on it ?!?!
Looks like apple lost ideas how to name things..
Didn't they forget add "i" ? i3D touch :DDD
86. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
You sound silly, but somewhat right. 3d touch sounds stupid even to me. But Apple doesn't use "i" anymore, if you notice their last several products were Apple Watch Apple Care, Apple Music, Apple Pay, and etc. nothing "i" about them.
I dont know why they dont use ForceTouch, but my only conclusion is that it's been trademarked by someone else after apple introduced it on the Apple Watch. Just like someone trademarked "One Last Thing" lingo, they probably took that too. So apple was probably "forced" (pun intended) to call it something else.. but yes 3d touch isnt it!
158. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3262; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
samsung will do it right but can i just say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
why just why unless samsungs is leaving google or going more stock like android i would not say no to a windows 10 gs7 i would love it
171. iKroneous (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 Apr 2015)
Failed? HP and many others are still using the tech that Synaptic had originally unveiled in a co-operative project called FUSE Project 2009 with TI and Imagination among others. Fuse Phone was really out over the edge and we as yet to see the tech fully utilized even today.
It used many different sensors a TI processor to not only measure capacitive air gap (3D Force and Touch pressure sensitivity) between glass front or case cover edges, but display them as blow up emoticons/widgets on the phone's desktop. Let's see Apple do that with their limited live desktop features?
Fail? Give me a break..... lol.... just because Apple copied and got all the glory.... doesn't mean they invented the whole concept in the first place. Without Synaptic leading the way from FUSE squeezable tech to Samsung's Air View (which is still hot tech for cold weather and gloves) Synaptic always brings real innovation to LIFE!!!
2. Chuck007 (Posts: 1041; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)
Think Apple+their fans should be more flattered than pissed others are adopting the technology. If others push a better implementation, that'll force Apple to improve their tech which will be win-win for everybody.
4. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Please explain how ForceTouch on iOS devices needs improvement?
55. TyrionLannister (unregistered)
It has just 3 level of pressure detection. You can have much higher number which will work better and will have more applications.
For example, look at note series. They have 2048 levels of pressure sensitivity.
59. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
1st. These are completely 2 different things!!! The note series does not have a SCREEN with 2048 levels of pressure, it has a PEN with so and so much levels pressure... Try different pressures with your finger and nothing happens!
2nd. How the hell do you expect for a human being to distinguish between 2048 levels of pressure to select an input that they desire? The reason why Apple's FT screen works so good is because it's humanly possible to take advantage of the feature even subconsciously.
3rd. You suggested "much higher number [of levels of pressure]: how and why would that improve interactive UI that's already on iPhones? You can already hold your finger on screen, forcepress to get to sub-level, then without lifting forcepress to get to second sub-level, then again, without lifting, forecpress to get to 3rd and so on... I've discovered so many things on iOS9 that Apple never mentioned in their previews, and I already shared some of these uses here on PA... They should do an article on all there is - it will be quite long... especially with new 3rd party apps implementing nearly everyday...
63. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
1st. That is in the screen itself, that's why switching the Note's pen to another Wacom pen would provide the same level of pressure sensitivity with added features (tail eraser, scroll wheel, multiple pen tips, etc.), and why you can't just buy a Wacom Cintiq's pen and expect the same level of accuracy...
2nd. That's not what the improvement would be for...
3rd. The Improvement would be literally replacing every need for pen/paper, especially when on the go or in the field where you won't always have your tablet at hand, but would always have your smartphone at hand. It'll make better and practical use of that extra screen real-estate on the iPhone instead of just having a bigger-for-the-sake-of-bigger SmartPhone...
65. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Thank you for a sensible reply...
1st. The screen by itself does not register 2084 levels of pressure - it REQUIRES the s-pen or wacom (same exact thing) to take advantage of - using any other pointing device - will NOT DO ANYTHING. With apple the ACTUAL screen measure the input of your OWN finger that doesn't have conductive electronic gizmos to help it out. (Wacom also makes pens for iOS devices, just FYI)..
2nd. If that's not what the improvement is for, then WHAT? you cannot refute a point and then not apply a contradictory response - it makes your point meaningless. Dont forget iPad Pro has a pencil that does what you described in your 3rd point!
3rd. What? You described using a pen on a screen which is possible and been possible with iOS since iPhone 1 in 2007 (before android). But I didnt understand the point of your last sentence and what you're referring to...
68. MrElectrifyer (limited) (Posts: 2192; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
3rd. Using a fat-head capacitive stylus is nowhere near as natural as using a fine-tip pressure-sensitive digitizer. Regarding my last sentence, almost everything the iPhone 6+ does was doable on my iPhone 4s, it doesn't offer much advantage like the Note with the extra screen real-estate. The extra screen real-estate on phablets 5" and greater make them almost equivalent in size to a pocket logbook, being able to use them as such is practical.
84. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
1. Yes, I have praised Note 4's S-pen as the best thing in Android. I agree that s-pen puts any of my pens to shame (I have 5 now from sharp to brushes for the ipad) - I like S-pen and its features absolutely. Really happy for Apple Pencil, but my iPad3 is running good and I'm not about to fork out that much for a new iPad (disappointed that it's limited to just Pro).. The screen to body ration - NEEDS TO EFFING GO! I already said, that apple should stop relying on their product recognition iconic look to differentiate from competition - people get it - if you want ios get an iphone, if you want something else get something else...
But if you're arguing for 5"+ tablets and a pen to use - it's not like it's impossible with iOS device. I have a pen on my keys that I can use to draw anytime on my iPhone or iPad (I like how S-pen comes embedded, but I like iOS more than android or touch wiz). I will be very happy if Apple Copies Samsung with embedded stylus within the cavity of the phone itself. It would literally be the best of both worlds. But not having one - is not a deal breaker for me.
11. runzlord (Posts: 223; Member since: 13 Oct 2013)
Please it's not today the world started to 'copy' apple innovations, it has always been like that since the announcement of iPhone.
78. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
Yeah and ipoor apple copied sony in the past..
117. tedkord (Posts: 10263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Have you noticed how many of Apple's iPhone patents have been invalidated in recent years, each because their "innovation" was actually copied from someone else or was just an obvious extension of existing tech?
30. rick_mobile (Posts: 216; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)
49. willytbk (Posts: 219; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)
we are not pissed, we already get used to that. would be surprise if samsung doesn't follow whatever apple did on their iPhones :p
118. tedkord (Posts: 10263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
And vice versa. 3D Touch is just a slightly different implementation of what Samsung had in the S4 several years ago - Air View. At the time, Apple zealots declared what would become "peek and poke" as useless gimmick functionality.
139. xtremesv (Posts: 297; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
I don't think Samsung should rely in copying Apple's ideas, they just need to put their own stuff together. A clear example of what I'm trying to say is Air View, this feature was present in the Galaxy S4 and S5, the idea was sound although it needed to be perfected. In the S6, Samsung decided to remove it for no reason and now it's only available in the Note using the S Pen. Samsung needs to establish cohesion standards between their products and their iterations so what Apple does would become irrelevant.
172. iKroneous (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 Apr 2015)
No they didn't remove it for no reason. They had been waiting for Synaptic's latest ClearPad Generation 7 release. Remember ClearPad air space capacitive measurement tech was actually showcased in 2008.
Then in 2009 together with many partners they introduced their FUSE phone Project to show off what the future would bring with it. FUSE brought Emoticons or actually Live Widgets (which is what emoticons actually are based on) on the screens.
Squeeze the 3D ClearPad Touch Points on the phone and it made the desktop icons blow up in proportion to the force used. Novelty at the time, but ClearForce shows off features like using the screen as a scale. How about a squeeze of the edge without touching the screen to zoom in and out? That too was shown in the FUSE project on YouTube video. The use of Capacitive Air Gap Measurement.... like also used by Samsung in air space above the screen is not dead...... yet!
In fact..... Galaxy S7 is going to bring some crazy things like a monster 1/2 inch camera sensor made extremely thin for thinner mobile phones. Air View will be back with new tricks to go with 3D ClearForce under the glass and edges of the phone! REALITY? Innovation comes to those who actually SPEND The MOST on R&D and the CAPEX to BUILD IT THEMSELVES!!!
That can only be SAMSUNG!!! ......because Apple has only ever ripped off others, bought it or lied about inventing it first like they always have. iCon Artistry is really all they've ever invented on their shoestring cheap iScrooge McDuck R&D Budget!!!
3. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
To my understanding it only slows down interaction. I rather press extra time or two when needed to share or spread out menu options.
7. xondk (Posts: 1205; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Exactly, that is the main reason why pressure sensitivity never caught on, because it takes longer then two quick clicks, and was more or less abandoned with exception to long hold for right click functionality.
31. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
Indeed, maybe other areas but the mobile screen . Idea and implementation of double tap was always intuitive and fast. I can see it working in couple scenarios but that's all.
35. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Didn't you guys say the same thing about Apples FP sensor? I bet you said the same thing about multi-touch...
40. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
I was actually talking about apple force touch but it also applies to samsung. Talking about multitouch I loved it form the first time can't tell the same thing about apples force touch.
What's your point?
44. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
My point is everytime some Android Mfgr develops a feature it's "Apple is so behind", but if it's Apple develops a feature - "older way is better"...
At least that's what I'm seeing...
46. xondk (Posts: 1205; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Sorry, but android never claimed to invent pressure sensitivity, they implemented it as a feature, but it didn't take because it simply isn't practical and the only thing left over was long press for right click functionality.
Same with fingerprint, android never claimed to be first, they implemented existing technology, technology that existed before Apple implemented it, but Apple is the only one that claims that they are the ones that invented it.
64. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
And apple never claimed they invented a phablet, or more ram, or multicore, or w/e. They panted tradedress, but everyone concentrated on damn round corners (and ignored that the patent included the rest of the design features). If you're not satisfied that Apple got a broad patent, dont blame apple, blame the patent system - I bet samsung got plenty of patents that prevents apple implementing a lot of features that all you Android fans keep claiming that apple "can't"... think about it.
As far as I've seen apple claims on process and implementation of a feature that's already been done, there's also a track record of companies that apple buys or license that it uses on it's products - so no secret there. Their patents mostly outline a way to manufacture something that was impossible, implement it so it works better or implement so average joe can easily use something. Things like that. I have not hear Apple say "Today we INVENTED this or that" They do say they have "something truly INNOVATIVE to show you today"... the bias in people and the trolls blast the forums with "wow, pink, innovation" or "wow big screen - apple is innovating again" posts that they then reference to themselves....
Apple never claimed they just put Android 3 gig octacore to shame with 2 gigs and dual core - they just compare it against their own older models. It's the benchmark scores that praise apple when they do leap Androids once in a while. Apple never claimed they invented "waterproof phones" but we all seen "that" video...
In my opinion apple says "F*** the world - this is what we offer" This is why Android and it's specs dont mean jack to iOS fans - we know our products run well for as long as we choose to own it... in my case it's about 2 years...
119. tedkord (Posts: 10263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
While I agree with most of your post, I'm sick of this whole, "Don't blame Apple, blame the patent system," tack. Wrong is wrong, and those who find and exploit loopholes to do something wrong are just as at fault as the system. Should I pardon the man who beats his wife to death in a country where it's not a crime?
If I find an obscure law loophole that allows me to take your home, you're going to blame the system, not me? Apple figured out that they could slip nearly any patent through the overwhelmed patent office, and they used that to obtain stolen tech patents, obvious patents, overbroad patents, patents that they had never even worked on - all with the goal of stifling the innovation of other companies.
The system deserves blame. Apple deserves equal blame for taking advantage of the system.
127. tedkord (Posts: 10263; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
So you didn't hear Steve Jobs claim they'd invented multi-touch?
48. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
But what does it have to do with me and in relation to what I said ? Irash?
66. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
"To my understanding it only slows down interaction. I rather press extra time or two when needed to share or spread out menu options." (old way is better)
so I replied:
Didn't you guys [not just you, anyone dissing ios] say the same thing about Apples FP sensor? I bet you said the same thing about multi-touch...
My point is everytime some Android Mfgr develops a feature it's "Apple is so behind", but if it's Apple develops a feature - "older way is better"...
67. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
Are you just pretending or you are indeed on high? Because I never said or suggested "Apple is so behind", but if it's Apple develops a feature - "older way is better".
Though I like what you say in general and it's true but dude stop behave like a headless chicken running around It doesn't give you a credit . Honestly helping you out.
71. babyk (Posts: 296; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
bro are you a WOMAN to be arguring like that over every bodys comment?
73. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I honestly have to kill a few hours... I'm just picking fights for the sake of it....
I also use adblockers on my iPhone, tonight i'm on PC to give PA some advertisement income.... (i do that every weekend)...
85. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
I see ...too much Foo-foo dust to boost creativity. But you know you look like a jerk right :)
89. AlikMalix (Posts: 5084; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
People that I actually converse with here on PA, know me, the rest of the trolls I dont really care...
91. nebula (Posts: 515; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
It is actually sad so little love and respect for other people.
98. amats69 (Posts: 1376; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
126. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8411; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Apple didnt develop most of the features their phones have. That's the problem.
You all's argument is always, not who does it first, but who does it right. RIGHT?
But Apple doesn't always do it right...right?
Example. Fingerprint readers. Swipe and non-swipe readers have been on other computers for over 2 decades. The non-swipe method requires a button that can house a larger sensor.
On laptops size isn't an issue, so the swiping method worked fine. Motorola brought it to their phone. The problem wasn't the swiping, the problem was its limited usability.
Apple's home button was big enough by default, you house a larger sensor that did require swiping. Was it better than swiping? Sure you can say objectively that not having to swipe is a nicer implementation of the same old technology that hasnt changed since day one. So yes they did it nicer. Whether it is right or not is subjective because I am use to swiping so it didnt make any difference to me. But Apple didnt make it, they bought it. As does all the other guys.
Force Touch. Its been done before. Windows laptops have such, without using anything beyond a touch display. if you place you finger on the screen and leave it, a menu will popup. You dont have to apply any pressure. What Apple chose to implement was a hardware variation that requires a fancy screen. Yet doesnt offer any extra functionality over older stuff.
It seems other OEM were already working to get such. Apple rushed and likely doesn't have the best implementation. I guess once Samsung has it, we will see who has the best out the box as far as its usefulness overall.
In many cases the older way can be better if the new implementation brings nothing new to the table. Apple's 3D Touch as they are marketing it as, hasn't brought any new function to the table. So why have it?
I dont care who brings it to the table first, what matter is if what you are bring actually is useful.
I though Samsung's own AirView which they made and didnt buy, was better because you didnt even have to touch the screen. All you had to do was hover you finger close enough to the display for a similar effect. But as another poster said, you all thought it was useless and gimmicky and Apple does basically the same thing and now its loved.
157. JunitoNH (Posts: 1613; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
Stop it, Samsung does thing better and bigger, SamsungPay.....how about that..........or when we first came out with the first 64bit.
173. iKroneous (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 Apr 2015)
Motorola was first with an Authentec FP sensor no less. So you're bragging up Apple being 2nd??? Oh really??? haha..... But it gets worse for Apple, since Samsung had already patented Authentec Touch ID Sensor in Home Button in November 2011.
Samsung in fact had plans and Authentec firmware already coded into Galaxy S3 as proof they were ready to be first with FP sensor in Home Button before Apple freaked out and bought Authentec out from under the entire industry that was already using both types of their sensors!
In fact Samsung was their very 1st Touch ID sensor user, when they launched it in 2004! lol..... xD .....in Secure Battery operated Door Locks. They went into Enterprise, Government, Hospitals, Homes, etc and because they were grandfathered in..... Apple could do nothing about keeping people from continuing to use them. Governments around the World saw to that!!! lol..... :D
Multi-touch? Oh come on.... it had been around in Linux operated bank teller and kiosks since the late 80's and all Apple did was buy one of the companies who pioneered it. Apple is still skin flint cheap skates and tight wads. Who are more akin to iScrooge'd U McDuck than a company that actually invests in their own R&D like SAMSUNG!!! xD ......and how they do is sit on their pile of Gold instead of ever spending a dime of it. Earning a pittance in interest while it all sits in Long Term Securities for up to 25yrs still owing 35% back taxes on it!!! lol.....