Former CEO Eric Schmidt says Google will make sure that HTC doesn't lose its suit against Apple
Although he didn't say Apple by name, Schmidt said, "We have seen an explosion of Android devices entering the market and, because of our successes, competitors are responding with lawsuits as they cannot respond through innovations. I'm not too worried about this." Besides Google, HTC also has criticized Apple recently for using lawsuits instead of fair competition in the market. Schmidt said that he feels confident that Google will get the ITC to overturn the initial ruling from an ITC judge that said HTC illegally used two patents held by Apple. The entire commission must review the judge's decision before it is final.
When all of the legal dust has settled, Apple could end up receiving a nice revenue stream from Android sales. The company could join Microsoft which already earns about $5 in revenue from each Android handset sold by HTC, thanks to royalties from patents owned by the company. Ironically, the software giant is said to make more money from the royalties it collects from each Android sale than the money it makes from shipping its own Windows Phone 7 OS. If the victory over HTC is upheld, it could pave the way for Apple to collect money from other Android manufacturers like Motorola and Samsung.
1. stealthd (Posts: 1025; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
Google comes up with some amazing products and services but sometimes it's a little hard to take them seriously (like when they bid $3.14 billion for the Nortel patents). At least they seem to be taking this seriously though. If Apple wins this, they have some pretty serious ammunition to wage against Android in general. I'm not a huge fan of Android myself, but I think the smartphone world would be at least a tad bit bleaker with just Windows Phone and iPhone out there (and I guess BlackBerry hasn't completely died yet)(and WebOS too).
66. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
It's hard to take any company seriously when they release updates in the form of desserts.
86. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
or name their updates after big kitty cats... leaord, lion, mr. snuggles...
its hard to even take idiots seriously when they have homoerotic pictures of wrestlers as their profile photo.. lolol
2. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)
To be honest this guy is a total tool and here is why...
He expects companies to not protect their intellectual properties and instead just come out with some other form of innovation.... Is it just me or is this just dumb?
I agree that innovation is a great idea but to tell the public that infringing on another’s ideas is ok is just ridiculous.
In addition... this guy is worried.... This is why they are coming with all guns a blaze!
52. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple blatantly copies google. Apple sues anyone who looks anything like their products. Like i said.. oh yesterday lol.. If you screw with android's partners long enough sooner or later you get the king of the pack. Looks like Google is finally getting tired of Apple's antics.. if its from complaining partners or a general dislike or whatever... Apple has gotten big G's attention.
Little Mac is making his way up the ladder to face Mike Tyson (aka Google). Better watch out mac, the champ has a killer right hook.
Maybe Mac should have stayed down in the ranks with Flamenco.. lol.
62. Kris79 (unregistered)
Love to Punch-out metaphor, man! Flamenco ... lol!
The kraken awakes!
Google depends on manufacturers and I see Apple picking on the base of the food chain to weaken the android growth ... but at least Google is taking this seriously and putting a stop to these rediculous lawsuits.
93. William Carr (unregistered)
"Little Mac is making his way up the ladder to face Mike Tyson"
You realize Apple is more powerful than Google now, right ?
3. raul_fvr (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
Allright, Apple invented and introduced to the market a revolutionary phone that led other companies to develop awesome OS, but now they are pissed because Android has more innovations. C'mon Steve... welcome to the jungle, lawsuits are your weapons ????
7. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@raul. There is a reason why patenting IP's exists. If you cannot come up with your own, then at least get licenced to use patented technologies. Don't just copy.
30. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@ngo2dd. You can add as many on your list as you want. Apple spends a lot on licensing fees, being a latecomer in the mobile phone business. They also got in trouble several times with patent infringement lawsuits. But, they have also come up with their own innovative IP's. So why can't they charge licensing fees for those, and why can't they sue anyone who infringes on their IP's?
54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
unless you can show me where apple has a patent on the way an icon looks or is colored, then their whole shebang with Samsung is crap.
67. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
Apple copied Motorola because Motorola made the first commercially available mobile phone. The iPhone can call as well - blatant copying.
70. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
but they did not get the license like you said, that is why they are being sue and they were copying. So your hero of a company is as bad as HTC as you said. So stop sucking one them.
32. raul_fvr (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
well, that is correct, but all companies always "took" a little of other companies' technology, Besides Apple is giving lawsuits here and there lately..
26. messiah (Posts: 434; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)
It boils down to where and what.... Even if it i ultimately decided that Apple wins the lawsuit and has the ITC impose a import block on HT and or other android manufacturers, it can on do so for American soil. Ultimately only creati a single nation supporting apple. The other nations in turn to support their domestic designs, products, sales and customers desire to be able to have phones other than apple wi create their own trade embargo until said sanctions are lifted in the states. Good job apple, you just limited your sales to a single nation.... You will no longer be a global figure Google, and android on the other hand wil continue on the global platform. And Google i also planted in America.... Good luck removin Google from the playing field. Too bad apple can't play well with others
31. Apple Fanboy (unregistered)
If it's a jungle like you say...then anything goes
38. E.N. (Posts: 2522; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Why do people keep saying that Android is innovative? All I'm seeing is bigger screens and better processors and 1. That's not being innovative and 2. That's from the manufacturers and is not Android. So what in the world have they created that makes them so creative and innovative? Please I would really like to know.
39. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
exactly I don't get it either. I guess they have widgets and live wallpaper which was also not an innovation because it wasn't new.
They did popularize trojan horse apps that steal your data.
64. Kris79 (unregistered)
Don't forget XDA. Innovation comes from the open source platform and from what I can tell apple has nothing on CM7, MUI, etc etc.
I was a windows mobile owner long before I joined the android community and I can say that I've seen a plethora of innovation on the android OS in the form of kernel/OS tweaks on any android device.
80. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
trojan horse apps? You do realize that the iphone jailbreak is a trojan horse right? A huge security flaw.
Can you name me some android trojan horse apps, taco? U seem to be making more baseless accusations without proof.
42. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
don't know if you are referring to this but lets give it a try
Turn your phone to silent it
revive calls on without leaving maps application and getting directions
phone rings louder on the pocket so you can hear it
access camera social network news among other features on the lock screen.
use gyroscope to zoom in and out and paining.
lock screen messages and missed notifications.
general in android
call a place without having the phone number based on your location.
push applications URLS and plain text to your phone from a computer
NFC payment system on the US
59. E.N. (Posts: 2522; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
But come on protozeloz, those are just skins meant to spice things up. I'm looking for the real innovations that has Apple crying like a baby and not things like "phone rings louder in pocket so you can hear it".
With all the trolling and cries that all that innovation is done by Android, I would expect to see more outstanding features. It might sound like I'm trolling but whenever I read things like "but now they are pissed because Android has more innovations" I always ask myself WHAT INNOVATIONS?!?!?!? What has Apple so jealous that they have to sue everyone?
63. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Some things sound a bit different but they might be useful to someone you should also know Android fans just like any other fan over estimate their products and underestimate the competition. Now is apple giving lawsuit out of their lack of innovation? No they aren't but if they can hold competition down they simply will do so. Now you ask for a list of "things " that started first on Android powered device and I gave you some. And I bet my neck that if the iPhone would have something as dumb as flipping a phone to silence it would have the same reaction from the other side of the line on how innovative and awesome this is. They cry over retina for gods sake! Then fandroids counter attack with dual core or something... now if you go ask me "is there a interesting feature you would get an Android tablets instead of the iPad? " well there is one im looking into its USB hosting. I cary part of me on the cloud and the other part on mass storage devices. Thinking that I can toss my USB into my tab is really nice the fact that I could buy an USB control of my liking and use it to play is also nice when you think about it.
Now you said those are skins to spice things up yet many are done by simply using the kit on the Android system there are aps on the market that use those to do other things. Custom UI are a part of Android they are counted on the bad so why the tools and things they do can't be counted as part of Android?
Also there are other tools for Android that I think where done on then first but I wont talk about what I cannot backup
65. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Forgive my lack of punctuation and some grammar mistakes :'( hope its readable
68. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
Don't forget the notification bar and the fact that Google's widgets are a revolutionary way of extracting data from the home screen on mobile devices. Especially when you can resize and interact with them.
The major jump Apple did was just the scrolling physics. I'm not sure if any other phone had this before Apple did, but that was definitely revolutionary.
The thing is, after that, they just can't innovate anymore. They specialise in the way humans interact with devices, but for devices interacting with humans, they struggle. And that's why Android is such a success.
71. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I don't think apple can't innovate otherwise they would have vaporized like rim. They have other interests. Now is Android in general giving apple a run for it's money? Can't complete agree yet but will know this year and next for sure but
50. ThE_SoSSi (unregistered)
you obv did not watch the google conference this past year then???.... apple created what a smartphone is and other companys have moved beyond that... now steve jobs is being a lil baby because he is trying to play catch up. also correct me if im wrong but wasnt samsung building their chips and doesnt LG make their screens. so apple obv has to gain help from other people just to catch up to what google is doing and i have had a iphone 1thru4... its been the same phone every year with a couple small things different and then make everyone pay hundreds of dollars... they finally change the look of the phone a lil bit in the 4 and then it had huge reception issues...so blah blah blah cult apple
58. E.N. (Posts: 2522; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Did Samsung design and engineer Apple's processors or are they just manufacturing it. If they are just manufacturing it, then that means nothing. That's like giving the construction workers the credit for building something that an architecture/engineer designed.
75. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
Apple's processor is incredibly similar to Samsung's. In fact, Samsung's own GPU is in the iPhone 4.
So yeah, Apple is using Samsung's chips.
Apple can't do hardware. They can only do software and physical design. Then they order great hardware to go with it.
77. E.N. (Posts: 2522; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I'm sure you're right about the processor, but I feel like Apple had to have made some kind of significant change for them to call it Apple A4, but maybe not.
As for my original question, you guys have answered it pretty well. Basically the only thing Android brought that was new was widgets (pull down notification is a method of multitasking not really revolutionary) which happened years ago. So when people said that Android is the only OS innovating, it's just a whole load of bullish**. You guys are confusing innovation with a new Version of Sense UI or TouchWiz. So Thanks!
I didn't say those things you listed was not useful (I'm very sure that they come in handy) but why would you consider that as something innovative that has Apple running for it's money? The fact that you're making a crapload of excuses and can't come up with a freaking list to back up why almost every Android user claims it's on top of everyone one else in terms of innovation simply shows that it's not. Out of all the Android users on the site not one could post something that's at least somewhat convincing or exciting. So lame. At least I tried
79. wassup (Posts: 565; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
and what innovations has apple bought to the table exactly?
81. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The apple A4 chip is just a slightly lower end Samsung Hummingbird chip.
Apple has just been rebranding samsung technology since the first iphone. Apple internals are all samsung, the screen is LG, and the software is apple.
82. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Look. Apple's lawsuits aren't against Google directly but the manufacturers that makes those skins, so why you don't want features found on the skins apple is suing to be counted? but to you they aren't innovative they are just a new version a skin? then to you whats innovation?
now could you make a list of currently innovative features done by apple lately?
I'm sorry USB host does not exite you, I'm sorry NFC wallet and payment based features do not excite you I'm sorry app push does not exite you, I'm sorry the open accessory does not exite you....
Also I think I've said people here overdo didn't I? and why are my post a load of crap or making up excuses? I would like to know. all the features I've said are on a device being sued by apple.... now I've said it once and I'll say it again apple is not Suing out of lack of innovation but its also a lie to say that some of the current descitions done on hardware and software changes done by apple aren't to make the battle more robust
44. droid.rv (Posts: 10; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)
if apple files a patent for using the word innovation, i won't be surprised at all.. :-D
not a bad idea though. it even starts with 'i'.. :-D
92. Kalinon (unregistered)
Apple DID NOT invent the 'smartphone' they simply stuck an antenna into their PDA. In 1984 Psion introduced the PDA and it became the first digital organizer. In 1996, Nokia introduced the first mobile phone with full PDA functionality, the 9000 Communicator, which grew to become the world's best-selling PDA which spawned a new category of mobile phones: the "PDA phone", now called "smartphone". Nothing to do with that fruit company there, hey Buddy
8. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@tmachaveli. Apple is bigger than google.
15. snowgator (Posts: 3346; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Very true- Apple is bigger than HTC, too. And Samsung. And Motorola. But when you through all them together, the money factor is no longer that much of an advantage. I am not saying that Apple isn't in the right, just that maybe you prove one case of infringement, than go after those you believe are also guilty.
Not like Apple needs my legal advice, just seems like a lot of wars to fight. Not like Google is broke ......
19. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Apple is not bigger then Samsung. Samsung is the biggest company in Korea. They make more then just phone and TV.
33. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@ngo2dd. You are wrong. Apple is worth more than Samsung.
As of today Samsung Electronics has a total cash of $21.11B with a debt of 12.62B. Apple has a total cash of $29.23B with ZERO debt :)
48. box (unregistered)
Again with cash on hand, gemini? Samsung is bigger than apple, period. They sell phones, mp3 players, sound equipment, televisions, media players, portable media, chipsets, electronic screens, hard drives, aircraft engines, turbines, airplanes, heavy equipment, and they've even built (and have stake in the residual companies who build) boats and cars, as well as having significant investements and stake in other industries, like clothing and apparel, television and radio broadcast, among others.
Is apple big? yes, but they have a limited user base for a majority of their produced products by number of products (computers and software, since they only have 2 phone models and one tablet device, compared to several laptops, computers, appleTV, and their software), whereas Samsung has vastly diversified assets (as mentioned above) and is very sustainable even as technology continues to change and evolve. Apple is in its own little niche, where the same group of users will buy its products, and a small percentage of the rest of the population will buy their products for whatever reason, but they'll never have market dominance, and, furthermore, are more likely to fail from their lack of any innovative advancements or developments. The iphone hasn't changed much since 2006 and is, in essence, still a glorified feature phone. Their computers are grossly overpriced for the components within (essentially a buyer pays about $500-2000 just for the apple software and proprietary hardware: read up on "hackintoshes") when most users are buying with a lower budget, but when they do they're at least getting this-year's components (I don't believe that macs are using the current crop of Intel i-series CPUs, and a check of their website reveals the GPUs are still ATI HD5Ks, when the current offerings are the HD6Ks) their software isn't nearly as good as competetions' (finalcut pro x, anyone?), and their "tablet", while aesthetically pleasing and decently capable, is a larger, glorified ipod touch, and doesn't hold a candle to cheaper, more capable devices, with usable ports and more raw functionality. Apple's biggest asset is market saturation with their ipod/phone/pad and the fact that it's relatively easy to write apps for their mobile devices because they use essentially the same OS that's been available since 2006, with a few updates, so large deployments and quick profits are quickly achieveable because iDevice owners tend to spend more money on stuff, probably because they're used to spending more money to get less out of it, i.e. paid updates for the apple OS ($29.99 for Lion tomorrow, but Windows releases free Service Packs, which are what these updates really are), paid updates for last year's technology (all apple products) with a prettier shell and maybe a new piece of hardware (front facing camera for iphone4, thunderbolt & mini-DisplayPort on the computers) to go with it, whereas PC users can go buy a similar upgrade, pop it in their existing system
51. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you realize Samsung electronic is just one offshoot of Samsung right? Samsung reports it's wings independantly unlike apple that reports everything as one company.
55. box (unregistered)
I sure do, but even just their electonic division is very widespread with diverse assets and strategies
69. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
What a company is worth does not demonstrate its power.
That's an official listing. Apple is worth a lot more than Samsung, but Samsung Electronics alone makes more profit than Apple. They also have a larger asset base and they generate way more revenue than Apple.
That's just Samsung Electronics. It's the largest consumer electronics brand in the world, doubling Apple's revenue.
Samsung as whole company destroys Apple. Samsung wipes their ass with Apple.
5. AppleIsPatheticAndShouldBlowEv (unregistered)
Apparently Apple states that if you have a Phonebook that can be interacted with by touch, a phone with touchscreen that supports gestures, or having specfic phone radios, or even the ability to keep world time, then you are infringing on their products....seriously?
Then I guess the original phone makers should be sueing apple for having a phone you can DIAL on or make a call in general...right?
9. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
The stuff that you have mentioned are not stated at all in any of the two Apple patented IP's that HTC infringed on. Why are you making up stuff?
60. who's irrational? (unregistered)
urgghhh can phonearena somehow block this 2 idiots 530gemini and taco50 please?
HEYY listen up, not everyone who disagrees with apple's methods are irrational or fandroids.. there are also apple users who disagree with apple's business methods.. i don't dare say strategy cos obviously there's no strategy in the way they do things....
83. box (unregistered)
They wouldn't block them... One, they're not violating the site's ToS, second they are protected by the US's First Amendment, and third, every time you load a page on phonearena, they make money off the ads, so the more comments and page-hits they get, the more money they make.
Side note: I (re)discovered ThisIsMyNext.com yesterday, which will eventually be Verge, and not only is it very well laid out and pleasant to interact with, the users seem to be intelligent and use factual bases for their opinions and arguments, and the authors tend to post with minimal, if any, bias - the near opposite of iPhonearena, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc. Check it out.
6. kaka (unregistered)
just like apple being worried about android that is why they just sue everyone?
i think apple would get sued back if they get what they want from HTC. i am sure there is something in IOS that has potential for lawsuits.
just like the saying, do not throw stones if you live in a glass house....or something like that.
12. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Don't be an idiot. Apple will sue anyone who is infringing on any of their patented IP's. They are entitled to that, just like anyone is also entitled to sue Apple if they have infringed on any patented IP's as well. And if proven guilty, you just pay the fees or make a settlement or exchange technologies. You obviously don't know much if you have not learned any of these scenarios.
22. Shova (unregistered)
Seriously 530gemini how many shares of apple stock do you own? That is the only way that your blind faith to apple could be justified. The patent process in America is broken and idiot businesses can get paid out by BS things like this.
24. kaka (unregistered)
i won't pretend to know everything behind the scenes, unlike some...ahem. yes they are entitled to that, and vice versa.
27. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)
You hear that HP.....Release the hounds on Apple now that you have all of Palm's patents.
10. Sniggly (Posts: 7230; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And Wise Beard Man Gu'ugall steps up to defend the House of Aychtesy. The battle lines have been set.
11. snowgator (Posts: 3346; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
At the risk of sounding ungrateful on behalf of HTC, Samsung, and Motorola I say-
"REALLY??? ABOUT TIME!!!!"
I am not even saying that Apple doesn't have a case. I am open to that. But the manufacturers are here due to using the OS that Google produces and maintains. Want to keep your ad dollars rolling in from Android? Get the lawyers out, guys. I still do not buy for one minute that Apple will be able to stop other handset makers from selling in the U.S. market, but they can make it a lot less profitable to use Android. That in itself may slow down Androids growth and stem some profits.
13. duder (unregistered)
gemini, you do relize that the patent system was created so other companies could could create the same thing but make it better right? its intention wasnt so that companies could create a stranglehold on a single item but inspire innovation and have companies create new and better products. I used to like apple but apple has become everything they used to be against and now they think just because they an idea they are the only ones allowed to use but when they use somebody elses design that design is not a copy but the original
34. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@duder. And you do also realize that patenting is there to protect the IP's of every company right? Do you know what patent infringement means? Because I am getting the impression that it does not exist on your vocabulary based on your comment that it's ok to create the same thing (copy).
Apple pays out a significant sum of money for license fees. They got sued several times for patent infringement as well. Which side were you on when Apple was being sued for patent infringement? Don't be biased.