WhatsApp co-founder "flattered" that iOS 8's iMessage is "borrowing" core WhatsApp features

WhatsApp co-founder
The co-founder and current CEO of WhatsApp, Jan Koum, revealed that he is "flattered" that iOS 8's iMessage has "borrowed" some of the features that WhatsApp has had for a long time now. Well, we would wager that Mr. Koum is being sarcastic, and although the CEO does not go into much detail, it's more than obvious that among the features in question are iMessage's newly-received capability to send audio and video messages, as well as share your location. Much like WhatsApp, iMessage in iOS 8 also allows its users to easily mute or leave a group chat.

Snapchat also has a stick to beat Apple with – the “self-destructing” messaging feature that will arrive on board of iMessage along with iOS 8 is among the core aspects of Snapchat. Thus, it will come to no surprise if the latter also comes out and criticizes Cupertino for “borrowing” this functionality.

An Australian company, named HealthKit, also got pretty annoyed at Apple. It appears that the tech giant could have forgotten to secure a trademark for its new health-centric product in the Land Down Under.
source: @JanKoum via TechCrunch



1. jellmoo

Posts: 2629; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

Wonder if he felt the same way when WhatsApp "borrowed" those features from BBM?

2. bucky

Posts: 3791; Member since: Sep 30, 2009

I was just about to say the same thing.

6. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

And then BBM borrowed features from Viber, Google Talk and took back some from Whatsapp itself

11. suavemezie

Posts: 95; Member since: Jun 21, 2012

You don't even know BBM, viber and Google Talk is something that came out after BBM.

14. jaytai0106

Posts: 1888; Member since: Mar 30, 2011

Probably too young to even know what BBM even is haha. I loved the BBM on my Storm 2 :D

34. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

I had the Flip, Bold, Storm 2 and then ditch it all for Android... I do know BBM since early stage... and it was until recently that they allow Calling over their service... something already found on Viber and Google Talk... Dont get me wrong... BBM was the best thing about a BB phone back in the day... but with the advent of Whatsapp and other alternatives BBM just froze... and BB in general were late for every possible innovation.

35. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

Yet Viber and google talk incorporated features that were not found in BBM up until recently...

38. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

BBM had those features long before Viber, Google Talk and WhatsApp. BBM is the innovator here.

42. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

I don't remember making data calls from BBM back when I had the Storm 2... not even when I switch to Android and viber came out... In fact, one of the main reasons I changed to an Android phone was because there were front facing cameras in their phones... But it wasnt until January 2013 that BB release a Z10 with that option... thus making video calls from BBM impossible... and Google Talk already allowed this. The other reason I switch was that there was no TV out option... The only BB device that was able to video chat was the Playbook... and we all know how that ended... Blackberry Messenger 7 was the version that allowed free Wi-Fi calls... but it was not available over data plans like Viber... And I am sorry to poop your BB party over here.. but a "Business" phone without Video Conference capabilities is really obsolete... the same goes for no TV-out until recent devices... so you can't even do a proper presentation with a Torch...

50. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

BBM may have not had certain capabilities until a year or two ago, but it has definitely caught up and surpassed the others in terms of functionality. The other messaging apps like viber and WhatsCrap don't even have the "delivered and read" capabilities. And how many times has WhatsCrap gone down? Gtalk is ok, but it just isn't as functional as BBM. Viber is a JOKE. And I won't even bother to iMessage. That's just the worst of the bunch. And BBM has something else going for it also: Its called SECURITY. I don't have to worry about my data being sold to third parties like with WhatsApp or Google's GTalk. I know my messages are safe and secure, and I know that they are SENT SECURELY. And being that BlackBerry's do now do video conferencing, video out and something else the others lack: Screen Sharing, that last point you were trying to make is pretty much a non-factor. And BBM has more people engaged on it on a daily basis than WhatsApp or Viber or any of the others. So sorry to poop on your Android-Viber-WhatsApp party over here, but when it comes to MESSAGING and BUSINESS, NO OTHER handset compares to a BlackBerry. ESPECIALLY a BlackBerry 10 device.

53. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

Hey, in case you don't know how to read or comprehend properly, the discussion and the point being made is about who borrow features from who.... Not about what messenger service is the best. Actually I was eagerly waiting for BBM when it was rumored to launch on Android, but when I finally had it, I got tired of it. I ended up uninstalling redundant services from my device. I deleted Viber, BBM, Line... Because WhatsApp, FB Messenger and Hangouts are enough to cover ALL the people in my contact list that I need to talk to. Including BB users. I worry more about having redundant services running in my phone's background than companies "stealing" my conversations. People have become too paranoid today about privacy... Whatever it just means that they know what to advertise better for us. And I am one of the few among my friends and family that recognize BB 10 as a great device... Sadly it was too late and it didn't get enough traction

55. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

Hey, in case YOU didn't know how to read or comprehend properly, I answered to that in my first response to you. BBM is what innovated FIRST. WhatsApp and the rest came along and "borrowed" features from BBM FIRST. BBM just came in and "borrowed" some features from the them, and did it better to boot. My comments are on topic. And if you think it's being PARANOID to worry about your PRIVACY, then you're not thinking straight. I don't know about you, but I don't like being force fed advertisements from ANYBODY. And BB10 will have all the traction it needs soon enough. It's already starting, with the release of the Z3.

58. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

Hehehe alright buddy, good luck with your BlackBerry, I'm sure the Z3 will be an international success. Don't hesitate to write me back in the near future when you end up buying an Android/iPhone/WP and BlackBerry goes the way of Palm

59. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

First: I already own a Nexus 4(Android) and a Lumia 925(Windows Phone). I had an iPad mini 2 but sold it as it is utter rubbish. Second: Me having and used all of these devices is what made me make the informed decision of going with BlackBerry. I had a BlackBerry Z10 but am now using a Q10 as I am a huge fan of BlackBerry's iconic hardware keyboard. Third: Don't hesitate to write ME back here in the near future when BlackBerry is still alive and well, and flourishing. I will be sure to have a nice cold beverage for you so can wash down your own words, which you will be eating.

60. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

Lol ok, now I see the whole picture... You had a similar but opposite experience to what I did... I had earlier blackberry devices that drove me away from them.... Anyway I never criticized your choice of using BB, but in my personal experience the hardware keyboard is a technology thats not going to come back as a popular choice... There are simply way more advantages to have a touch screen instead of a single function keyboard.... specially when you are able to type faster with the proper software keyboard than any iconic BB hardware keyboard... (just check mobile texting world records, former by Word Flow & Swype and currently hold by Flesky) However I respect your choice since everyone has different needs, I for instance love to have a waterpoof device... and many consider that unnecessary... But living in a country that was one of the most important BB targets in the world (Venezuela) has showed me the trend on that particular brand in a way that people from Europe, N.A. or Asia wouldn't understand (only Africa lived a similar experience)... So believe me when I tell you that for BB there is no coming back... They are burning the last chances they have with hardware.. and they are making software available for other platforms... something that was their last resource, and never wanted to do before... It sincerely saddens me because I like the build quality of certain blackberry models and they really had something good, but former CEOs screwed badly. Anyway, my final point is... No, I will not eat my words... I will not even Unfollow this thread, so I can read it later on...

61. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

One: BlackBerry's hardware keyboard is the best keyboard in the business. And with their recent innovations on their hardware keyboard, (swipe gestures, anyone?) It's only going to get better. Their virtual keyboards are nothing to sneeze at either. Two: BlackBerry is transitioning to a software company that does hardware also. There is nothing wrong with them releasing software for the completion. WP does it. So does Google. That doesn't make it a "last ditch effort", as there was one of the 3 stooge before JC took over that wanted to release BBM cross platform. And it wasn't Heinz. Three: Believe me when I tell you, BlackBerry is about MORE THAN its hardware, much like MS is about more than its hardware, or Apple. BlackBerry will still be around for years and years to come, building devices as well, just mainly for the REGULATED INDUSTRIES. That is BlackBerry's bread and butter, and as soon as consumer-minded individuals such as yourself realize this, the sooner you will realize the bigger picture. I respect your choice in OS, and have had similar experiences with Android, iOS and WP which have driven me right back to BlackBerry. I even LEFT the platform once, only to come right back as no other platform suits me the way BlackBerry does. Oh, and I've got a brand new set of eating utensils for you when the time comes to eat your words. Lol.

57. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

And you would have to worry about "redundant" services running in the background on an Android phone...those things are just TOO RESOURCE HUNGRY.

51. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

And news flash: BlackBerry video calling works over WiFi AND with a data plan.

54. buccob

Posts: 2975; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

Recently after version 8

56. meanestgenius

Posts: 22295; Member since: May 28, 2014

Doesn't matter when they got it. The fact is that it's been over a year since they've had it, and not only does it work phenomenally, but it's better than the others you have mentioned and has more features.

22. Ashoaib

Posts: 3298; Member since: Nov 15, 2013

Borrowed? This is called copy as far as apple's explanation is concerned, like what they say about samsung, a copy cat... infact apple is a copy cat

23. Jommick

Posts: 221; Member since: Sep 10, 2013

and when BBM "borrowed" them from traditional instant message platforms.

26. DerryAhmad

Posts: 296; Member since: May 05, 2012

Yeah.. seriously.. BBM is probably one of the full featured IMs out there. Even before Whatsapp. Feed, BBM Call, BBM Video, Groups, Channel, Send Audio/Video/Location, Live Sharing your Screen, even the most basic Sent/Delivered/Read Notice.

27. Zeeya

Posts: 331; Member since: Mar 17, 2013

haha! YOU ARE SO RIGHT! f**k whatsapp


Posts: 2315; Member since: Jul 30, 2011

WhatsApp has evolved into a useful messaging app with some unique features; I, too, would be pissed at the blatant iNfringement - can't sApple come up with anything on its' own?? To what extent will they iCopy everyone??

37. stealthd unregistered

Except there's no infringement, because Whatsapp didn't invent these features, and they're not patented, nor should they be.

45. kryme

Posts: 469; Member since: Oct 24, 2013

did apple patent rounded corners.....

44. kryme

Posts: 469; Member since: Oct 24, 2013

i dont think ur getting it...... company barrow from each other thats the way how it suppose to go.......but apple is the only 1 that dont want nobody copying them so why r they copying from others..... thats why companies lashing out against apple.... because if whatsapp should use the same font or color scheme from apple... apple gonna sue

3. greathero1

Posts: 584; Member since: Jun 13, 2008

He should have patented those features and sued them for compensation. At the end of the day, his platform still is better because you can use it on multiple platforms. That's my biggest gripe with iMessage and Facetime. I use them quite often when I am on my iPad but they are practically useless through the day because I carry the Note 3.

12. darkkjedii

Posts: 31337; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

There needs to be a universal vid chat feature.

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