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Verizon's CTO finds it hard to see WP7 making a splash against Android, iOS, & BlackBerry

Verizon's CTO finds it hard to see WP7 making a splash against Android, iOS, & BlackBerry
For the many phone manufacturers out there in the world, they generally would try to make their business case to the largest wireless carriers out there in hopes of striking a deal of some sort to distribute their devices.

Unfortunately for Nokia, they might face some barriers with Verizon if they intend on reentering the US market now that they’ve decided to move forward with Windows Phone 7 as its primary OS of choice. It appears that Verizon’s CTO, Tony Melone, is skeptical of seeing the newly formed partnership between Nokia and Microsoft having any major impact in the market right now. Specifically, he doesn’t seem to think that “Verizon needs the Nokia and Microsoft relationship” since there are three primary contenders right now.

In fact, Melone doesn’t agree that there will be a “three-horse race” between iOS, Android, and Windows Phone 7 that Nokia CEO Stephen Elop envisions. Rather, Melone believes that the heated competition is between iOS, Android, and BlackBerry – with no indication of Windows Phone 7 making a huge impact. Granted that his attitude about Microsoft’s platform isn’t as favorable as one would allege, it could easily change if Windows Phone 7 starts to pick up some serious steam.

In any event, it’ll be interesting to see what plan of action Nokia might pull out of their sleeves in order to win Verizon’s heart – not to mention their business.

source: CNET via Engadget

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posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:24 2

1. achilles (Posts: 54; Member since: 27 May 2010)

No cute using windows 7 was very stupid. Nokia just went from bad to worse. If your house is on fire you don't jump out of the window 5 floors down!

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 17:47 3

16. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

I wouldn't say it was stupid of Nokia, but that it wasn't a good choice but a minuscule step in the right direction. I don't think Windows Mobile 7 is going to be a huge impact as it's still in fourth place when compared to the other three mobile OSes

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 03:19 1

32. PhoneLuver (Posts: 481; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)

WP7 is suffering mainly because of empty promises made for Windows Mobile. I used Windows Mobile 5.0 to 6.5 and Windows failed to deliver. I finally switched to IOS and I'm very happy with my device and the OS.
I've used Android and I've also had good experiences with it.

Hardware wise, Android seems to be progressing much faster than IOS as Apple is constrained to 1 device once a year. That's a bit of a gamble and proposes a huge risk as they might miss the bus and be surpassed by competitors. One such example is the iPad2. If it fails to deliver an equal or better experience than Android 3.0 or WebOS Apple is screwed! The only thing competitors still need to work on is content for their devices and Apple has some major competition!

All I'm saying is that while IOS and Android are the top dogs at the moment, nothing is cast in stone, it's a cutthroat business!

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 07:59

34. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

Android really isn't progressing faster than iOS, there are tons of Android phones that are released but they're essentially the same only different manufacturers. I know there's some Android sets that have dual core chipsets and are 4G.

I've played with high-end Android devices and they feel sluggish. An iPhone still feels snappy, even if it's and old model. My iPhone 4 feels faster than a Droid X when it comes to loading and exiting apps. Apple's iPhone lasts longer than an Android equivalent so they don't need to release several models a year.

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 23:36 1

39. tuminatr (Posts: 862; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)

I think Nokia could be exactly what WP7 needs. I have played with it and it does seem like a solid OS

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:31 1

2. N.Reynolds (Posts: 257; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)

WP7 came in the game too late, uses too much battery and data, and I am still skeptical about them after how bad windows mobile was.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:51

10. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

So im assuming youve tried it? It's way better then windows mobile was. Also dont know what phone you experienced but I am getting better batt life from my LG Quantum then any other Android, BB, or webOS phone I had.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:51 1

3. ribbonsalmark (Posts: 84; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)

Lets not forget WebOS

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 14:55

4. narley (Posts: 357; Member since: 14 May 2009)

agreed. webOS is far better than windows.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 17:15

14. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

It is good I was fairly new to it but I just dont see them regaining what little market share they have left. WP7 is off to a running start..

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 15:09

5. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Hear, hear. Verizon already has WebOS as its 4th smartphone line, for those who appreciate simplicity and clean design. The Pre 3 has the goods to go head to head against any number of (reasonably-sized)Android phones. Let's hope Verizon offers the Pre 3 this summer.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:53

11. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

I was a webOs lover but think they failed w there much overhyped event and they have alot of ground to make up. And they broke there promise of devices being ready to ship shortly after that event. R.I.P. & hello WP7 :)

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 15:35

7. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

The problem with WebOS is that no one remembered it to start with. I'd put WebOS right in the category with WP7...neither can compete with iOS, Android, or Blackberry...

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:55 1

12. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

I find it funny how people are bashing WP7 it's app marketplace has already surpassed webOS and is only going to get better. I think it's a viable contender and the marketing push is big for it as well. Don't be scared of a little healthy compettion Android & Apple lovers :)

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 15:34 1

6. barfbag (unregistered)

The only 2 OSs to come out of the gate were WebOS and iOS. It seems some commenters are quick to forget how crappy Android 1.5 was and how long it took to get to 2.2. BlackBerry OS is going the same path as Symbian....dated with far too many options.

When WP7 hits its 2nd major milestone, then this might be worth revisiting. fools.

If Nokia really wanted to break into the US, Wp7 is their Trojan horse.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 17:09 1

13. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

Well said & Im already loving WP7 and it can only get better! :) gotta love all the Android & Iphone lovers who like to bash other competion and most prob havent even tried it! I dont see how the OS wont continue to grow esp with Nokias new announcement and the big Marketing push! Its is a refreshing new platform.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 15:35 1

8. crappypunk (Posts: 131; Member since: 15 Aug 2009)

how can he say that about RIM?!

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 16:49

9. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

Lol Verizon is just all hyped up on there having the Iphone and now thats there focus before they were bashing it and pushing droid gotta love these corporate tactics. Why not have an open portfolio. I personally am Loving my new LG Quantum WP7 & think the OS is a refreshing change. I love there advertising it is true. And it should only get better with the updates. Also there are a ton of apps already! more then webOS, And they are good apps. Blackberry doesnt even have any good photo apps close to what windowspohone7 marketplace does! To those on the fence check it out. I dont think you'll be dissapointed. I think alot of the haters are just fans of Android & Apple and may feel threatned. I hate esp when people bash something too and they havent even tried it!

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 17:22

15. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Non-users seem to be writing WP7 off, while those that have it seem to think it is a great OS with nothing but upside. I am onboard with WP7 owners. I still think that WP7 may be a threat more for the Mid-range Smart Phone user then the high end users of Droid and the iPhone. WP7 just doesn't have anything with the power, screen res, memory, or speed as those Motorola Droids, Samsung galaxies, or Apple, and it is not like Nokia excells in that area either. Blackberry is trying to catch up to the premium phones, but they may be a strictly buisness system if they don't hit a triple, or at least get on base, soon. I can see WP7 may easily take that consumer. I also find it funny along with other posts that Mr. Melone doesn't mention WEBOS. Wonder what that means if you read between the lines of Verizon's plans as to which system they will grab out of Nokia or HP and which they won't?

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 17:48 1

17. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

Well put. I have to say though that so far my Wp7 is the zippiest phone ive used. Faster then EvoShift "4g" even that I used when on Sprint..

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 20:07

23. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

To all: Just read on two other sites that Mr. Melone DID mention WebOS and HP and said he was "excited" by the brands opportunities to compete. Phone Arena also left off Motorola's comment that they couldn't see the advantage of a "closed" OS like WP7. Verizon sounds like they are willing to go to bed with HP, Nokia ain't even getting a date until they bring more to the pagent. Motorola's comment makes sense, considering they were nearly drummed out of the consumer phone buisness entirely until they got onboard with Droid.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 18:01

18. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

While Windows Mobile 7 is really nice, looks good and operates pretty well and has a lot of polish to it. But now that Verizon has the iPhone and a slew of Android devices, people are going to write it off like they have been writing off Windows Mobile in the past. Even Blackberry is starting to fade as people are adopting the iPhone and Android for business purposes even though Blackberry has better security, exchange and enterprise support.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 18:17

20. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Haven't seen the stats to say Blackberry has lost any ground in buisness applications. As a matter of a fact, even though the percentages of Blackberry seems to have dropped, mostly that has been in the increase of smart phones sold, and that Blackberry hasn't made any inroads with the new consumers who are flocking to Droid. But sales of Blackberry have been steady almost to the device from year to year. Would be interested if you had any info on that market changing.

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 08:04

35. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)

There's been a few articles around here about how some places are ditching Blackberry for iPhone, I don't remember which one. Even Dell has ditched Blackberry for WM7 phones that they made. I used to work at a call center where only two people in management had Blackberrys, the rest had Android.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 18:16 1

19. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

You guys are sitting here arguing about what OS is best and that's not the conversation that needs to be happening. The conversation needs to be about which OS has the ability to be popular with regular consumers. Period. People want the iPhone because it's the iPhone. People want Android because Verizon made it look like it was the second coming of Christ. People want Blackberry (ish) because companies and the government trust them. But beyond that, no one really cares about WP7 or WebOS (which is already evident by its failure on Sprint, AT&T, and Verizon).

I'm sorry he is right. WP7 and WebOS are both great operating systems, but people just aren't interested. Either because they don't know they exist or just don't want to go for the phone that no one has. Going to a less popular phone mean less apps or the possibility of the OS not being supported. So people stick with what they know.

I've used WP7 and it is seriously awesome. Would I trade it for my iPhone? No. The iPhone itself is simple, but the apps, like on most phones, are what sell it.

Right now, it's not what's about what's best. People are going to go with what is popular.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 19:16

21. lollipop (Posts: 43; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)

I disagree with your assesment. The issue with Wp7 isn't user interest but carrier incentive to push. Blackberry is a dying platform on Verizon wireless and all carriers in all honesty. All that needs to be done for Wp7 devices to launch is an add campaign.

Remember look at Android before Verizon got their hands on it. The interest was almost non existant. A couple of multimillion dollar ad campaigns later and the OS became very interesting. The only reason people look into Blackberries is due to its keyboard. Ask any VzW, Att, Sprint, or Tmo rep and they will tell you that many people that have no idea what a blackberry is will walk up and say "yeah i want that because of the keyboard...".

All Wp7 needs is an ad campaign and no one will remember blackberry but business users. Ironically, Wp7 is said to be a better business choice then Android which isn't hard.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 22:48

27. Landmarkcm (Posts: 506; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)

Wp7 has an add campaign that plays alot & I thinks it's a pretty good one at that!

posted on 16 Feb 2011, 20:07

38. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

But you know what's funny? The ad dollars that went into Verizon's commercials is a fraction of the money Microsoft put into WP7...and yet no one cares. People see that Microsoft has a new phone out, but they aren't running to it because of...Windows Mobile.

posted on 17 Feb 2011, 17:35 1

41. lollipop (Posts: 43; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)

No one remembers Window's Mobile. If you worked for a carrier you would realize you can offer a repackaged WM device with a droid logo and people would buy it.

Saying its people's memories of WM is absolutely devoid of logic. Phone OSes are not known enough by cellphone consumers to really matter. The Storm had a 35% return rate yet the Storm 2 sold well despite the issues. Go to a Verizon, ATT, and Sprint store and ask people who own iPhones, Droids, and Blackberries about Windows Mobiles. Only a small percentage will have a clue of what you are talking about.

Microsofts Ad campaign means nothing because its not a carrier pushing it. Ultimate this is what people who do not work in the cellphone industry do not understand. The only device that has the power to sell itself is the iPhone. The Wp7 devices will be a slow sale just like android and in reality this is not about consumer adoption but Manufacture adoption.

What is funny is this is argument can be summed up as "LOL Wp7 didn't sell like h0tcakes= dead lol cuz we think we know cellphones!". Wp7 devices have already done what took android over a year to accomplish... An app store with over 8k apps.

WebOs is dead and thats because Palm devices in general are a had sell to consumers. People like aggressive names and sleek form factors. With a name like Pre or Pixi and the look of an egg its not a very appetizing device.

posted on 15 Feb 2011, 20:28

24. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

You are right except in one regard: the idea only the most popular will sell is true, but misses the larger, more fun point: What makes something popular today as opposed to tomorrow? Tech changes quickly, but the consumer wants a phone for a specific purpose, and then will pick and chose as time develops their tastes. A lot of the people who bought Droids two years ago may now want something simplier, and one of these emerging sytems may feed that. All it takes is one hit- and name reconignition makes it popular. Droid, iPhone, and Blackberry will NOT satisfy all the smart phone customers that are just arriving. Feature phones are dying- all those are going to smart phones. Laptops are selling less and less- smart phones can handle a lot of those duties and provide other services (tablets are taking those buyers too, I know). So, it IS about what OS is best- becouse the market can support quality. Don't forget- up until the 80s, only the big three auto makers could sell cars in the U.S.

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