The Seattle bar that banned Glass over "privacy concerns" has security cameras watching you

The Seattle bar that banned Glass over
Which is the more present privacy risk: a camera that you may not be able to see that is recording you secretly, but keeps a "limited" record, or a camera that is worn on a person's face with a red light on it, that could connect to the Internet? It's not a question that has a clear answer, but the Seattle bar, the 5 Point Cafe decided earlier today that the latter was far more nefarious, because apparently Google Glass poses more of a "privacy concern" than the security cameras in the bar.

As we reported earlier, the 5 Point Cafe has decided to preemptively ban Google Glass because, as the owner said, it's a place where people want to go, but "don’t want to be secretly filmed or videotaped"... except for the security cameras in the bar of course. We called up the 5 Point Cafe and subtly inquired as to whether the establishment has security cameras. We were told that the bar does have security cameras, but "the tapes only go back a day and a half"

There is a limited history on the security cameras, but that seems to fall under the "secretly filmed or videotaped" category, and that footage could be put on the Internet just like anything recorded by Google Glass. Glass may have an easier path to putting video on the Internet (presumably), but we'd give the "secretly filmed" advantage to the security cameras rather than the weird looking glasses with the red light on them. 

So, if you're going to visit the 5 Point Cafe, just be warned that although Google Glass is banned, you'll still be videotaped the entire time you're there. Of course, if you wear Glass, you may be on the line for an "ass kicking". That sounds a lot like the fearmongering we talked about before, or just an attempt at free marketing for the bar.



1. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

Whats the point when google glass isnt available for the consumer

28. Mxyzptlk unregistered

The point is to protect privacy from a large corporation like Google.

33. Droiddoes unregistered

Which company was it again that was collecting location data on their users and even secretly taking photos of them through their device and uploading them to a server? Pear? Banana? oh right! apple.

35. iami67

Posts: 334; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

The point is the owner is saying its ok for him to record you but you can not record him. Sounds like he has some underage customers or this place is a front for something and he is afraid of getting caught. I believe a law should be past that is very simple. If you can record me then i can record you. Do you know how many people this can help. Help many times have you seen a dirty cop or maybe a rep at a store or bar say one thing then do something diferent and treat you like crap. How many times do you think damn I wish i had that recorded. best invention ever

41. Droiddoes unregistered

"If you can record me then i can record you." Nope. His establishment, his rules. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

39. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

no ONE cares what u think. and u probably didn't read my comment correctly

44. donfem

Posts: 708; Member since: Mar 30, 2011

However, if your favorite Apple came up with the innovation, then it will be "major breakthrough"?

2. PhoneArenaUser

Posts: 5498; Member since: Aug 05, 2011

Ceiling cat is watching you... :D

29. Mxyzptlk unregistered

Security cameras are used in many places. Come on Michael, you know good and well that this is not the same as the potential invasion of privacy with Google Glasses. You know that many businesses use surveillance cameras and some of them do ban the use of cellphones and cameras. While you may see it as a novel idea, think about how much data one would be anonymously sending Google. It's just another way in my opinion for Google to get eyes into more places.

34. Droiddoes unregistered

Hey thanks mike. Because of your....uh...."journalism", I am forced to agree with this...thing. I need a shower, I feel dirty.

3. XPERIA-KNIGHT unregistered

Dont criticize them michael, jus accept it that if your not wanted in one place you will be welcomed in another. Theres a place for google glass man this jus isnt the place for it :)

5. jfuente11

Posts: 38; Member since: Nov 06, 2012

At least with 5 Point Cafe's security camera, videos are controlled in terms of spreading it like a wildfire on the internet. Which would you prefer, being recorded by the bar's management (for security purposes) or by a stranger wearing a Google Glass (which you do not know what their motives or purposes are)?

6. Topcat488

Posts: 1415; Member since: Sep 29, 2012

This Bar got exactly what it was searching for..."FREE ADVERTISEMENT" !... Again.

7. evarod48

Posts: 154; Member since: Oct 30, 2012

this, Alanis Morissette, is what IRONY is

8. Droiddoes unregistered

This is just terrible journalism. They have cameras for the safety of their staff and patrons in case a bar fight breaks out in, y'know, A BAR. Or someone pulls a gun/knife and gets away, they can be identified. Totally different from google glass.

9. MartyK

Posts: 1043; Member since: Apr 11, 2012

Will it be okay if I bring cell phone with a camera?, how about a regular camera?. Fair is fair, If they don't want recording device (except theirs), cellphone with camera should be ban also; what says you?.

13. Droiddoes unregistered

I says the same thing I did in my first post: his establishment, his rules. It really is that simple. If you cannot understand why it is in everybodies best interest to have survelience at a bar, then I really don't know what to tell you, and I doubt you'd understand.

37. iami67

Posts: 334; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

Not totally diferent at all. All the reasons you just said is exactly why id why the glasses 24/7 As a person not a bussiness id feel more comfortable. And if he has hidden cameras who to say he doesnt in the bathroom bars like that are known for that

42. Droiddoes unregistered

No offense, but that is the most beta thing I have ever heard somoene say. You would wear GG 24/7 just in case something happens? Sounds like a fun way to live life, constantly afraid. Even on the incredibly small chance he does have cameras in the restroom, who freaking cares? If the dude wants to look at my d**k or watch me fire out a growler, whatever.

10. madpiyal

Posts: 108; Member since: Feb 11, 2013

I totally appreciate their incentive. Google glass must not have a camera with it. It surely will make our lives more complex socially. And Mr Michael you always seem to talk more passionately about Google products and you should not be so biased. It just hampers ur writing credibility.

11. pongkie

Posts: 663; Member since: Aug 20, 2011

bar with the camera = private property google glass = anywhere you have access to even on other people's property see that Michael you missed that part. also you forgot to put this line at the end "This message is brought to you by Google"

12. bluescreen

Posts: 154; Member since: Nov 22, 2012

dear michael.... alan f already wrote an article about this 2hrs before u made yours why do we need to hear about it twice.....SMH

14. Droiddoes unregistered

"So, if you're going to visit the 5 Point Cafe, just be warned that although Google Glass is banned, you'll still be videotaped the entire time you're there." You mean like basically every other bar...ever? Hey Mike, I'll let you in on a secret: banks, restaurants, retail stores, schools, auto dealerships, etc etc etc etc ALL use CCTV. It may be time to either educate yourself on the difference between a business owner protecting their assets/staff/patrons and not wanting customers filming in their establishment. Or change your tinfoil hat. How does this guy still get work here?

15. RaKithAPeiRiZ

Posts: 1488; Member since: Dec 29, 2011

Last time I remember CCTVs don't upload videos to remote servers in the internet and run FRS scans every 5 seconds

18. pongkie

Posts: 663; Member since: Aug 20, 2011

Actually Michael can have an argument if the bar's CCTV feed is unsecured on the internet that anybody can see. Or if the bar deliberately broadcasts those feed. but if their vids are secured or it's not uploaded to the net it is still private to the bar. the bar should also protect your privacy if you're at their establishment and that is what they are doing by banning the Glass In the case of Google glass you can walk in or even peek in to another's property took a snapshot in their place recording what ever is happening and walk out and do what ever you want with it without consent. that is a privacy issue

19. Droiddoes unregistered

His establishment, his rules, you surrender all rights and expectations to privacy when you leave your home and enter the public. Is it honestly that hard to understand?

20. pongkie

Posts: 663; Member since: Aug 20, 2011

ok fine. Michael is wrong lol

38. iami67

Posts: 334; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

In the modern world of technology most cctvs do upload to internet or atleast saved onto a computers hard drive which at anytime can be uploaded by the push of a button

16. dragonstkdgirl

Posts: 144; Member since: Apr 07, 2012

A bar where the owner threatens to assault me for the technology I use doesn't sound like an establishment I want to pay money to anyways. Wonder how many techy types in his area will stop hanging out in his dive bar.

17. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

I'm in a bar with friends....I want to take pictures of 1 or some in the group with my camera phone. Whose to say I dont tilt the phone a lil left, right, up and take a picture of some unsuspecting person? Do I zoom out enough to catch others around us? If the owner wants to ban Google Glass...he needs to ban cellphones....

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