Samsung to produce Huawei's Kirin chips?
posted by Alan F. / Oct 15, 2015, 4:05 PM
Samsung's offer to produce Huawei's Kirin chipsets is no different than the arrangement it has with Apple. The latter designs the Ax chipset for the iPhone and iPad, and Samsung produces the chip in its foundry. And TSMC is once again the rival that Samsung is facing in its attempt to garner this business from the smartphone manufacturer.
What will Huawei decide? Will it keep the deal it supposedly has with TSMC, or will it go with Samsung? Based on what is happening with the Apple iPhone 6s, Huawei fans are probably hoping that it sticks with TSMC.
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Samsung fighting hard in order to take over the position of Qualcomm as the lead Soc producer
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 4:14 PM 0
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Samsung's overall semiconductor rival is Intel ... They are very close in term of profits (Currently Intel ranks 1st, Samsung 2nd) TSMC is a small rival in manufacturing, Qualcomm is another small rival in chips Samsung is just trying kill TSMC/Qualcomm with better tech/lower price and when they die, Samsung will raise the price. It will take long time but Samsung has money to keep alive while others don't. Its typical Samsung way
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 11:28 PM 1
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let TSMC make kirin soc... let them have some business... I dont want samsung to become soul manufacturer of the chips. Its not good for technology to have only one company. sd810 fiasco is an example of not having choices... whole 2015 is eaten by sd810. if one company screw something, it effects everything
posted on Oct 16, 2015, 2:38 AM 1
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Mediated is not a manufacturer. TSMC manufacture their chips. There are only four well known companies in the world which manufacture their processors. Intel, AMD, Samsung and IBM. All other companies get their SOCs manufactured by 2nd party.
posted on Oct 16, 2015, 2:49 PM 0
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Samsung does the best of what TSMC does and also does the best of what Qualcomm does. But yeah, we need competition for sure to push Sammy to bring the best out of it, and there by push competitors too and the cycle goes on.
posted on Oct 16, 2015, 3:28 AM 1
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Its actually a bad thing for us customers that samsung is getting so strong and powerful...
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 4:17 PM 2
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Nobody makes money with TSMC™
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 4:18 PM 20
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TSMC doesn't offer better battery-life. A difference of 2-3% is the same as Apple going from a 1.2GHz dualcore to a 1.3Ghz dualcore. The difference is marginal. The Samsung chip isnt worse, its just a different fabricating platform which happens to cause a slight variation. 2 idental chips from the same manufacturer will also have the same variance. To try to paint Samsung as if they are doing something wrong? Really? Then why would Apple be using them? Why is Qualcomm using them? Why is this company about to use them? So quick to rip Samsung for every small things, but wont even rip Apple for using the same hardware 2 or 3 years in a row while the competition is steadily improving every year, it takes Apple 3 years to improve to one year of another OEM's improvement.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 4:29 PM 2
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Your entire statement contradicts itself. If battery life is measurably different with one supplier compared to the other, they are not providing the same thing. The difference may be trivial, but it isn't marginal.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 4:39 PM 5
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He (and PA as well) doesn't understand how chip fabrication works and the issues involved with it. Just because they are the same brand of chip, doesn't mean they are anything alike in design. The main components will be the same in count, but their layout and design can be night and day different between two process nodes (14 and 16 nm in this case). Regardless, Apple might be at fault and so might Samsung. Apple had to design two SoCs this time and they might have rushed the Samsung one a bit since they were probably not expecting to use their 14 nm designs until next year. Samsung might not be hitting the yields they need and refinement of these processes is always on going. The Samsung chip runs cooler but performs a bit worse. Given a few months it might actually perform better and run cooler. It doesn't matter though because for now the difference is negligible.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 5:37 PM 2
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Wrong "Based on the results of our testing, it's clear that both versions of Apple's A9 SoC deliver the same level of performance, but Samsung's 14nm FinFET process appears to offer slightly better power efficiency, extending battery life between 3.5-10.8 percent'' tomshardware.com/news/iphone-6s-a9-samsung-vs-tsmc,30306.html
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 7:02 PM 0
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Samsung die is probably better. The reason why the new Apple A9 IS Bad from Samsung fabs us most likely a design flaw from Apple. If you look in the past, Samsung and TMSC chips were both equal, in the A7 and the A8 both used cyclone cores. Apple switched to twister cores that probably perform bad on 14nm or scale poorly. And don't forget that the Samsung chips are a little bit more powerful.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 6:39 PM 0
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Huawei supposed to use 16nm FinFET for Kirin 930. Every single rumor about Kirin chips turned out false yet as I recall. Considering Kirin portfolio, Huawei trying make them cheap as possible. For not paying new license fees to new architecture they are using old ones again and again. That's happened with Cortex-A9, Mali-450 and Mali-T628. 14/16nm FinFET processes is expensive. Certainly too expensive for mid-range Kirin chips. I would like to see real world performance of the FD-SOI which Samsung foundry has 28nm.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 5:55 PM 0
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Samsung needs to stop these articles that trash them as inferior to TMSC. There is no such thing as a Taiwanese company with better technology than another country. Asus, Acer, Suck T C, TMSC, they are all terrible quality. I am not even joking. Just look at the SD810 manufactured by TMSC. Asus and Acer laptops and netbooks fall apart in a week. HTC is self explanatory. Besides Hyundai's, Koreans make better tech period. I am Canadian born Chinese btw in case anyone tries to pull the national bias card.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 7:24 PM 0
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By your statement, I see you just hate anything Taiwanese just like Supernova who always spread racist remarks against Japan. You have bad view on Taiwan because Taiwanese people don't get along with Mainland Chinese right? But don't worry, Taiwan and China will reunify in the near future when China overtakes the US in both military and economy.
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 8:02 PM 0
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Exactly! For taiwnanese tsmc is like theiry one and only national pride they will do anything to disgrace tsmc's competitors (just like saying their 16nm is much better than 14nm for unexplainable reason- apple confirmed they are almost same) Remember when a Taiwanese publicly tried to break Samsung's monitor with hammer and failed. It ended up proving how strong the monitor was. I have to agree taiwanese's inferiority complex is showing in tech
posted on Oct 15, 2015, 11:12 PM 0
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