Samsung to continue to use heat pipes for its flagships in 2018 despite the high price

Samsung to continue to use heat pipes for its flagships in 2018 despite the high price

As smartphone companies continue to pack their products with more powerful components, there's a need for cooling solutions that would keep the handsets from overheating. In the last couple of years, many handset makers adopted cooling solutions, but only for their top-of-the-line products due to the high costs.

On the other hand, mid-range and entry-level smartphones don't really need a cooling system since they are not prone to overheating. Samsung is one of the first early adopters of a cooling system based on heat pipes.

It's the most used cooling system for smartphones and despite the fact that market rumors claimed Samsung may stop using them in 2018, sources from the supply chain claim the South Korean company will continue to use it in its upcoming flagships.

Many entities in the smartphone industries are now trying another thermal design that involves vapor chambers. The heat dissipation is much more efficient using this cooling solution, but the prices will be even higher if/when it will be ready for mass production.

On top of that, the size of vapor chambers is another drawback that might keep many smartphone vendors from adopting the new solution, which is why worldwide suppliers have been trying to reduce the thickness these products.

Unnamed sources claim vapor chambers might be ready to use in flagship smartphones in 2019, but that will highly depend on how small they'll be a year from now, and possibly how much they will cost.

source: Digitimes

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89 Comments

1. Hollowmost

Posts: 404; Member since: Oct 10, 2017

Exynos 9810 geekbench score Single : 2600 Multi : 7700 You can check the result by yourself : search universal9810 We all now this means nothing since iPhone X with it's eye watering scores got destroyed by all sd835/exynos9 devices ...

2. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

That score should be fake. Samsung should be beyond idiotic to make a $700+ phone with 4GB RAM in 2018! Here's the link BTW, in case anyone is curious: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/4866523 And BTW, the iPhone is still faster than any android phone in CPU bound tasks. Don't link those stupid youtube speed-tests, which just test the NAND flash and RAM.

3. worldpeace

Posts: 3033; Member since: Apr 15, 2016

"Don't link those stupid youtube speed-tests" And then link what? Bench-test? did benchmark score is more important than running apps for your daily life?

7. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

Well, since we are talking about CPU tests, something like rendering an image/video would be the appropriate tests. There are also Javascipt based tests, for example octane or browsermark which stress the CPU hard. App installs are also an excellent test for CPU, since it's pure compilation. Running apps is a good indicator of general performance, but launch speed of an app is not. And it doesn't stress the CPU at all. It just measures how fast the storage of your phone is. Besides, no one cares if an app opens a couple milliseconds faster than other one since most major apps open very quickly anyway.

17. Macready

Posts: 1786; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Javascript tests are useless to compare CPU speed, they just compare browsers and their java optimizations unless you compare the exact same browser version on 2 different devices. Which as we all know is impossible cross platform between Android and iOS.

29. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

So are the speed-tests on Youtube. There is no perfect cross-platform benchmark unlesss it's written in assembly.

35. Behyjoon

Posts: 39; Member since: Oct 19, 2016

rendering video on phone which moron does that? no one render a video on a phone.

36. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

Well, tell me exactly how you take a video on your phone? It needs to render the recorded video for you to be able to watch it. Yes, the A11 enables the iPhone to render much better videos like 1080p 240fps or 4k60 which no other phone can do. Rendering video does not mean editing. It just means converting the video to a compressed format from the raw data. Same with images. An iPhone 8 would be able to edit and render image files much easier than a competing android.

37. tedkord

Posts: 16975; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Yes, I'm sure that's much more important to someone who wants to use a smartphone. They're not worried about how long it takes to get into Apps, they want to know how quickly they can render an image or video.

52. bur60

Posts: 981; Member since: Jul 07, 2014

Yea, keep that apart from those youtube tests tho. I render a movie on my phone once a year. I use apps every hour.

8. Phullofphil

Posts: 1728; Member since: Feb 10, 2009

I have not seen those YouTube videos yet but yeah when you’re testing the processor you don’t run a test on the flash and memory. The a 11 is the best soc in any phone. I believe if you’re not biased on android or Apple and compare them head-to-head you’ll find both are really good phones but Apple I believe has better hardware under the hood but is far as which phone is better well that’s just preference. I was going to go back and change the word android to Samsung note 8 but you really can throw your favorite android phone in there so I think it’s relevant

38. tedkord

Posts: 16975; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Except, they weren't testing the CPU. They were testing the overall speed of the phone, which is the kind of thing people buying a phone would be interested in.

12. GdgetXpert1337

Posts: 117; Member since: Oct 31, 2017

Cpu heavy app show A11 destroying any soc out there

39. tedkord

Posts: 16975; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

And everyday use tests show it getting embarrassed.

48. GdgetXpert1337

Posts: 117; Member since: Oct 31, 2017

No it dont lol... 11.1.2 improved ram mngagement, note 8 wit 6GB ram barely win vs unoptimized iOS build that keep gettin more optimized It why the 7 plus on 10.3 comfortably beat Note 8 in speed test It not even as fast as 7 +

53. tedkord

Posts: 16975; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Barely win = win.

62. ColinW

Posts: 411; Member since: Jun 04, 2014

The RAM management on IOS 11 got worse. It is clear from the tests that under IOS10 phones won these tests, but under 11 they are clearly are far behind. I think the differences in the so-called benchmarks between phones and actual performance in a users hands highlights clearly they are outdated and probably biased to one OS or another.

72. YeahYeah

Posts: 246; Member since: Mar 16, 2016

Optimized not optimized. I don't remember you or anyone try to defend Samsung performance by using the word their apps are not optimized. Now Samsung out performance Apple and all of a sudden "apps are not optimized" ine is used as an excuse.. Just admit bro.. Samsung improved and showed benchmarks are useless. Note 8 is just faster and better.. deal with it..

4. dorfoz

Posts: 156; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

You mean an iPhone 7 with less ram than its best current android competitors

14. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

Well, it's not exactly RAM based. And yes, after iOS 11, all the iPhones drop the app out of memory like android phones. Anyway, iOS doesn't let the full app run in memory when it's in background, which lets it keep a lot of apps running in memory, but just for basic tasks. Android on the other hand works differently by letting the whole app be in memory.

5. cmdacos

Posts: 3651; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

So benchmarks now trump real usage? Lmao, delusional fanboys.

6. HansP

Posts: 542; Member since: Oct 16, 2011

Obviously! It's funny to see the Apple narrative gone full 180 in five years. Remember when they said real life performance was the only thing that matters? Now, when Apple can only beat Androids with rigged benchmark scores, benchmark scores is the only thing that matters!

10. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

When did I say to compare benchmarks to measure real life usage. Just favoring Apple made you conclude I am an apple user and fanboy and I'm talking benchmarks are the way to go. Well, you're wrong! A pixel(2016) will be absolutely creamed by the Oneplus 5 in a youtube speed test, but when it comes to overall performance, it's noticeably smoother than the OP5. And I'm not even talking about the Pixel 2. Straight line speed of opening apps is a stupid indicator of 'performance'. Smoothness of the UI and raw CPU strength play a much important role since the smoothness gives better user experience and the raw CPU strength allows Apple to give 4 years of updates compared to what, 1 year on some android phones. I own a Oneplus 3 and absolutely hate Apple. But I give credit where it's due. Apple's update policy and SoCs are amazing. But for pure performance, even the 2016 pixel will smoke the S9.

18. Macready

Posts: 1786; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

"But for pure performance, even the 2016 pixel will smoke the S9." Interesting claim for an unreleased phone. Let's stick to facts, Tyrion.

33. Boast_Rider

Posts: 498; Member since: Sep 14, 2017

Well, the S9 will be mostly faster than existing Samsung phones. And while the Note 8 is pretty smooth, it still can't even come close to pixel 2016. Check this out: https://www.xda-developers.com/note-8-real-world-analysis-performance/ I don't expect Samsung to cover that huge of a difference in 6 months. In fact, no android phone comes even close to pixel here.

61. Trex95

Posts: 2314; Member since: Mar 03, 2013

Samsung touchwiz not only an skin or UI it’s an OS that run inside Android OS. All google services on Samsung phones have an alternative from Samsung side even Samsung keyboard don’t think based in google keyboard! Samsung trying so hard to make there own OS like Apple and that not a bad thing I think this one of the reason why there phones didn’t perform well for long run.

66. tedkord

Posts: 16975; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

It's not run inside Android, its a fork of Android. It's modified all the way down to the framework.

64. Macready

Posts: 1786; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

The actual measurements in that article show the Note to be close to the Pixel and in the last test even faster than the Pixel. What remains is their non substantiated claims about slow downs over time (it would still have to be a relative and measured comparison to the Pixel to hold water). Not exactly convinced regarding the S9 claim still...

13. GdgetXpert1337

Posts: 117; Member since: Oct 31, 2017

The X is fastest phone in world an will get faster. Only reason y Note beat the X is cause 6GB RAM, but funni that 7 plus on 10.3 beat Note 8 easily in speed test, incating that it software issue an will be improofed over time in iOS 11 Snap dragon 845 wnt even be fast as A11

19. Peacetoall unregistered

so now its samsung fault for implementing note 8 with 6gb ram. wow even apple fanboys love blaming others

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