Samsung copied Apple says Apple expert witness

Samsung copied Apple says Apple expert witness
As the second week of the Apple-Samsung patent trial kicked off, Apple brought an expert witness to the stand whose testimony bolstered Apple's case. Associate University of Pennsylvania professor Peter Bressler, called by Apple to the stand as an expert witness on design, testified that the Samsung Galaxy S handset infringed on a pair of Apple's design patents. Bressler, who owns his own design firm, said that Samsung's device shared a rectangular front with the Apple iPhone along with other design features such as its transparency, black color, a display centered on the face of the phone, and a lozenge-shaped slot for the speaker.

The expert witness also ripped apart Samsung's claim that a prior patent for the design proved Prior Art. Bressler said that there were too many differences between the two patents for Samsung to make that claim. Bressler had more than a dozen different variations of the Samsung Galaxy S in front of him and told the jury that all of them infringed on the design patents held by Apple covering the design for the face of the iPhone. Bressler also testified that the Samsung GALAXY Note and the Samsung GALAXY Tab both infringed on design patents for the Apple iPad and said the biggest difference between the three devices is the color used on the back of each model.

On cross-examinaton, Samsung tried to show the differences between its products and Apple's including a raised bezel seen on some Samsung models, and the difference in the radius of Samsung phone's rounded corners compared with the devices produced by the Cupertino based tech giant. During cross, Samsung attorneys showed Bressler old design patents and had him go through the similarities to Apple's design patents. All of the models are rectangular with big screens and some have lozenge shaped earpieces. All of the models have similarly sized borders. The goal is to show the jury that there were older patents that covered the same design as the Apple iPhone.

The witness ended up telling the jury that Samsung's analysis is incorrect as he held to his premise that consumers get the same impressions looking at Apple's products and the devices from the Samsung Galaxy line. Next up will be former Apple designer Susan Kare, famous for designing the "Happy Mac" logo. Ms. Kare is expected to testify that the UI on the Apple iPhone is a unique solution to the problem of building a smartphone UI and that Samsung copied it for their own phones.

source: Forbes

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117 Comments

108. aikonix

Posts: 60; Member since: Apr 08, 2012

Anyone else notice how grungy he looks here, then after his $75 grand pay-out, he looks like an Apple Employee and MUCH more brighter/better looking?

100. kingstandup

Posts: 30; Member since: Oct 24, 2011

I wonder how much Apple paid him?

99. ftyler223

Posts: 140; Member since: Aug 06, 2012

Jp26 u say some true thing but not all is right the screen res is untouched on the iPhone. Fact. Look at a Sammy screen u see pixels. I'm just saying apple makes a better products. Sure u can look good on paper with the specs but if your phone is force close all the time what good is it? U can't just go by the specs. U do you're homework and actually use these products you're self. I've used almost ever smart phone in the game. Apple does it best then goes HTC....Samsung always feels cheap. Compare the one x vs the s3. Quality materials and it runs smoother and the internet is slightly faster. Vs. Sammy who is slowr and cheap. Please do you're homework

109. jp26sx

Posts: 14; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

Tell ya what ftyler... for arguments to be put aside, the people will choose what they like best. Each phone has its pros and cons. I myself own a galaxy s3 my other half has the evo 4g lte (( sprints one x )) I love the feel of the HTC vs samsing hands down. The gs3 out performs the evo lte though. In smooth and speed. Its all a trade off... apple did a great job keeoing it smooth. I think both companies need to let it be to an extent and again let the people decide... you as a reasinable person has to at least see apple is really reaching... shapes and colors...I do beleive they have an excellent product but they cant revel in it forever. If they continue create a solid product that entices the people then they will be fine. They have plenty of money. I just think thay they need to raise the bar instead of suing it over the small stuff.

117. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

"I just think thay they need to raise the bar instead of suing it over the small stuff." This needs to be repeated over n over n over n over n..........

97. AppleWho

Posts: 57; Member since: Aug 06, 2012

Huh, a paid APPLE witness testifying in favor of APPLE - what is this world coming to...

96. AppleWho

Posts: 57; Member since: Aug 06, 2012

Wow, so APPLE is suing now because Samsung phone are better than APPLE....maybe if APPLE started to innovate again - maybe their marketshare would improve.....

95. blade19

Posts: 65; Member since: Apr 29, 2011

Of course... A professor that knows it all! What better expert to bring in then some old fart professor who is well educated and understands the business... ya right!!!

93. ftyler223

Posts: 140; Member since: Aug 06, 2012

@tedkord you're an idiot. Samsung basically tryed to make an android version of ios. Simple and plane. Apple didn't copy palm for they're docked icons u retard. Look at mac computers. They've had the icon in a doc formation for yrs. Apple used they're idea from there laptops and used it on their iPhone. Simple as that. They created this desighn. Y is it that HTC can make great devices without looking iosish? Samsung sucks. Apple and HTC are the best.

102. jp26sx

Posts: 14; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

it's plain... not plane. you are again wrong... windows 98 had a quick launch dock. Microsoft probably holds those patents as well for launching from a secure object while in the GUI. Apple didn't introduce a launcher dock until OSx sometime in 1999 ... i could be wrong but i believe mac os docks before that time only really related to settings. Y is really why ... but I think you knew that already.

116. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Maybe Samsung is the only one who has the balls to call out Apple on their crying and pettiness.

90. dragonscourgex

Posts: 307; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Did I read that right? Did this "expert" just say that Samsung infringe cause "rectangular front with the Apple iPhone along with other design features such as its transparency, black color, a display centered on the face of the phone, and a lozenge-shaped slot for the speaker." Then turn around and said "Bressler said that there were too many differences between the two patents for Samsung to make that claim." Is he not contradicting himself with those two statements? Can the prior art not also be described in the same way he described the iphone to the samsung phones

82. whysoserious

Posts: 318; Member since: Jul 20, 2012

Thumb this up if you guys think that this geezer is biased and is too old to be an apple fanboy.

89. tedkord

Posts: 17517; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

He's not biased. He's well paid.

80. yazlikvillam

Posts: 13; Member since: Apr 24, 2012

why do you all care about samsung its build crap cheap and useless bought s3 wish never have done went repair twice in 3 weeks and you think samsung is premium

88. tedkord

Posts: 17517; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

I don't care about Samsung. I just care about getting the best product for a fair price. That won't happen if Apple manages to ban all competition. If Apple had won its lawsuits in the early days of the PC, we'd all still be paying $3000 for a 1GHz single core system with no GPU, and 256mb ram. Because that's how Apple rolls.

115. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Thank god I can get a PC with good, great specs for 1/2, maybe even less than 1/2 of what some Macs cost. If Apple has their way in the smartphone world...I would gladly go back to regular cell phones. Then again, they would worm their way into regular cellphone space....and we would be where we are today.

114. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

I actually dont even like Samsung phones. Its what Apple is trying to do and what they are trying to say that bothers me.

77. DOGIEFRESH

Posts: 316; Member since: Jul 15, 2009

After this fandroids gonna hunt down that old dude like US gov did with bin laden

75. taz89

Posts: 2014; Member since: May 03, 2011

To all the experts out there please tell me how the note copied the iPad...

68. taz89

Posts: 2014; Member since: May 03, 2011

Lol when I read that the Galaxy note "infringes" the iPad design it just cemented my thoughts on this whole thing... Seriously other than being touch orientated the 2 have nothing in common.. If that's how stupid it is then the iPad infringes on all those flat screen tvs because essentially its the same design.. Even when the bezel size is different it infringes lol gimme a break... Ahh the us has some fu** up system... What's next someone going to sue because a pill is the same shape as another pill or is the same colour... USA good luck with the future.. Cause your officially. Fu** if a rectangle. Or a color can be patented.

65. ishfaq.mehraj

Posts: 10; Member since: Jul 30, 2012

Holy sh*t... they paid some stupid professor to identify rectangular designs of samsung galaxy s.....

64. ftyler223

Posts: 140; Member since: Aug 06, 2012

Well look at the s3 it has 1 button at the bottom of the screen and a voice recognition called s voice that sounds just like siri. And the interface.....Samsung mimicks apple by adding the docked applications on the main screen, they copied pinch to zoom. Everything! They basically mixed android and ios and just called it galaxy. Now let's look at the galaxy tab 10.1 they're charger looks just like the vintage apple charger we all know. Not to mention the galaxy tab resembles the iPad completely. This war is more on how the interface has certain iPhone features not so much the cosmetic shape you retarda! Get it together. When droid first came out it was so different compared to ios now android has developed the same things. Which therefore means Samsung copied them. Simple and plain. I know all u droid nerds hate apple cuz they're greed but except the facts they are the best. They're product are built with quality materials. Not plastic and cheap feeling like all the galaxy phones. IPhone screen is still untouched. No pixels! Samsung Amoled screen is b.s. bright colors with pixels for days. Just a test for u. Download temple run on the iPhone then down load it on your galaxy or any other phone for that matter and compare it to the iPhone. Then u will. See y the iPhone is the best. It's not about all the specs u idiots. What good is a 1.5 dual core processor if your apps still force close? R u kidding me? How can you honestly say android is better people? IPhones gets all the apps first too. Step it up actually play with both devices with the same apps and you will realize the iPhone is smoother. They do it best. They're the originators. And Sammy is f**ked now. Good I'm sick of they're s**tty products anyways.

66. ishfaq.mehraj

Posts: 10; Member since: Jul 30, 2012

Another stupid iDiot.......

78. EclipseGSX

Posts: 1778; Member since: Oct 18, 2011

Lol there is so much wrong with that post I don't even know where to begin. Just another scared iTard realizing Apple is grasping at straws. QQ more dude

87. tedkord

Posts: 17517; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Palm had docked icons at the bottom. Apple copied that. You mention the central button, but of course fail to mention the extra, capacitive buttons that all Android phones have. My Apps do not force close. None of them. Zero lag. My Galaxy S3 is a more powerful, more functional device than any Apple phone.

98. jp26sx

Posts: 14; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

I think that this comment is a little biased on it's own. When was the last time that you used an android product. They are not perfect but i'm pretty sure analysts ( you know the same kind of analysts that always praise apple ) did a test and determined that ios apps crash just as much if not more than android. The difference is android tells you about it, ios just closes it. Materials vs specs is always a balancing act with when constructing a cell phone because if you want more performance you must take away from something else to keep the price points. Also your quick to forget that Samsung for a long time producers of the processors and several other hardware components inside the iPhone. That streamlined performance that you love is from a Samsung built heart not just a closed ended ecosystem. Pinch to zoom was also not apples creation those patents were out long before when the touch screen evolution was ramping up. Apple was probably one of the first to innovate and use is successfully, but it wasn't their invention to begin with. Sure they have unique aspects that grant them limited patents but that's more on how the screen interfaces with the os. That's why they aren't suing every other manufacturer for having it because they never created the multitouch concept. If you don't like Samsung then don't use them use apple, Please do some homework before coming to the game table because all your comment looks like is an ignorant hate speech. Judging the screens are apples to oranges no pun intended. They are 2 totally different technologies and usually is an opinion of the user which they feel is superior. Please do some homework before coming to the game table because all your comment looks like is an ignorant hate speech. Samsung has it's faults and yes i'm sure they wanted to create a product that had some class in similarity to the iphone, but lets be honest did you think they were gonna use circles... c'mon

101. jp26sx

Posts: 14; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

oops out of my old ignorance when moving a line about the hate speech I forgot to remove the first one...:-(

113. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Thinking a 1.5 Ghz dual core processor......means apps will never force close.... Is enough to tell me and probably anyone else reading that garbage....you are not even worth responding to. If Apple, the iPhone is so great.....whats their excuse for force closes? Oh wait....you dont see it cuz the iPhone doesnt show a message. It just eventually kicks you to the home screen. You dont even know if it was a force close or a mis click... Good job for sucking me into your diluted Apple world....now go back under your bridge, the sun is coming up soon...

63. MartyK

Posts: 1043; Member since: Apr 11, 2012

@ Alan F. Sorry Alan, I would like to know your take on this: Bressler concedes he has no direct knowledge of consumer confusion. Samsung atty hammering the point. Bressler denies that his analysis of Samsung designs examined whether they were trying to be deceptive to consumers. Samsung stressing simple point: consumers spend a great deal of time evaluating which smartphone to buy and aren't confused, particularly when they enter into 2-year contracts with carriers. Samsung atty walking Bressler through diagrams of so-called "prior art" that existed prior to iPhone design patents. Seems to be angling for chance to suggest to Bressler that the prior art and patents were virtually indistinguishable..Bressler quibbling already.

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