Microsoft working on a Windows 10 Mobile phone powered by a laptop-class Intel processor?

Microsoft working on a Windows 10 Mobile phone powered by a laptop-class Intel processor?
According to some tweets disseminated by @evleaks, Microsoft could be working on a new handset that would be powered by a laptop-class Intel processor. The phone would be running on Windows 10 Mobile. While the first tweets indicated that this was an older concept that Microsoft was no longer moving forward with, a more recent tweet from the serial leaker says that this is "Much more than just a concept. Stay tuned."

Later tweets from Blass include images that appear to be marketing material from the phone, which means that things could be moving ahead with this device, after all. This could end up being the long-rumored Surface Phone, although we would have expected that such a device would run Windows 10 rather than Windows 10 Mobile. It might seem like a waste of power to combine the laptop processor with Windows 10 Mobile

Most of the feedback has been positive, if not cautious. Many are concerned about the limited battery life that such a phone would provide. If this project is indeed moving forward, it will be interesting to see what the future holds for Microsoft. It would appear that the consumer market is out of reach for Microsoft. Since the software giant already has its foot inside the door of most major corporations, integrating a Surface Phone with Windows PCs, tablets and other products would seem to be the way for the company to go.


source: @evleaks via MSPoweruser

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51 Comments

1. bambamboogy02

Posts: 834; Member since: Jun 23, 2012

YES!!!!

11. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

You know when they say laptop class, they mean Core M. Core M series: 5W (to be used in smartphones, tablets and fanless laptops) ULV series: 15W (to be used in ultrabooks) Apple specific: 28W (the one in basic 13" macbook pro). Quad core : 45W (high performance laptops)

13. BlackhawkFlys

Posts: 908; Member since: May 07, 2014

Ultrabooks can be high performance too

14. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

These phones will have core M processors, which are pretty bad compared to the ultrabook processors.

18. splus

Posts: 148; Member since: Nov 26, 2011

What are you talking about?? Core M has a great performance, especially for such a low power consumption! It's not much lower than regular laptop CPU Core i5. Many ultrabooks use Core M CPU. Here's the comparison of newest Core M vs. Core i5:http://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_7200u-653-vs-intel_core_i5_7y54-656

19. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

It's 1.2 GHz vs 2.5 GHz. I won't even call that a contest.

33. splus

Posts: 148; Member since: Nov 26, 2011

Did you even look at the benchmarks?? If you did you'd see that newest Core M and Core i5 are very close, in many benchmarks almost the same. And don't tell me you're measuring the speed in GHz?? They're different CPUs, different processing power per GHz.

40. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

Yes, I looked at them. But they were so good because of the turbo speed of core M. Benchmarks are short runs, that's why boost speed is able to make the core M close to i5. In sustained load, the i5 will be more than twice as fast. Also yes, you can measure speed in GHz if the IPC is same. Both are the same architecture( Kaby lake) and perf/GHz is identical. Don't teach me how to compare processors. I know my stuff. And saying they have different power per GHz just showed you don't know s**t about processors.

42. hemedans

Posts: 750; Member since: Jun 01, 2013

it depend with design, good core m design can destroy i3 and sometime match low end i5. i3 dont have turbo and skylake one has 2.4ghz clock while core m can go up to 3ghz+, even if it throttle core m will still beat i3. and you compare same generation, cpu, ivy bridge is still laptop class and kabylake core m can easly beat ivy bridge one even if it throttle.

43. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

If throttled, the core M would drop to the base clock, that is 1.2 GHz. In that case, the i3 would destroy the core M. In sustained performance, the core M is terrible. The main purpose of core M is general use like web browsing where the workload is bursty. They are not meant for development or rendering, or any professional use. They can get comparable performance as an i5 for a few seconds and that' great. But comparing that to an i5 is a terrible comparison. Yes, I'm comparing same generation. And kabylake core M won't be able to beat ivy bridge i5 or i7. The IPC advantage is around 20% at best, so it's not that different.

47. sgtdisturbed47

Posts: 965; Member since: Feb 02, 2012

If only it were just about the Jiggahurts

48. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

It is all about the GHz if you consider same architecture and process. Both are Kaby lake processors on 14 nm+ process. So a 1.2 GHz processor would be exactly half as fast as a 2.4 Ghz one. If you can't even understand this basic of a concept, you should never build a PC by yourself.

34. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2314; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Here is a comparison from the iPad's A9X with Core M: http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/221881-apples-a9x-goes-head-to-head-against-intels-core-m-in-arm-x86-grudge-match As you can see, there are some areas where Core M is better and some areas where the A9X is better. It is important to note that the A10 outperforms the A9X (not by a whole lot but enough), so the jury is out as to whether the Core M could outperform the efficiency and performance of Apple's A10.

38. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

The reason A9x is close in some benchmarks is because most things in those benchmarks are done in fixed function on A9x. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3006268/tablets/tested-why-the-ipad-pro-really-isnt-as-fast-a-laptop.html You can't compare a RISC and a CISC processor.

28. Ruturaj

Posts: 1484; Member since: Oct 16, 2014

Too add to the confusion intel rebranded m5 and m7 as i5 and i7. Consumers going to get screwed then they pay premium price for ultrathin laptop with i7 and later finding out it was 5W.

29. Ruturaj

Posts: 1484; Member since: Oct 16, 2014

Also 28W is not apple specific, apparently no other manufacturer chooses to use it. And basic macbook pro without ouch bar has 15W processor now.

35. bambamboogy02

Posts: 834; Member since: Jun 23, 2012

Core M vs snapdragon's 821/83x. Which do you surmise to be better?

39. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

You can't compare a RISC and a CISC processor. But the core M will eat the 821 for lunch. It's about 1.5 x faster in benchmarks and over 3x in real life.

41. hemedans

Posts: 750; Member since: Jun 01, 2013

currently core m can be configured to 3.8w (skylake) probably kabylake or canonlake will reach 2w or lower for smartphone

21. GreenMan

Posts: 2697; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

A desktop class processor...? Un-necessary... It's like running Nokia Series-30 OS (Nokia 3310, anyone?) on a Snapdragon 821...!!! Okay, that's a tad 'obnoxious' statement... My apologies...! My point is that W10M runs buttery-smooth on a Snapdragon 200 with a Dual-Core 1.2Ghz Cortex-A7 cores... So, I fail to see a need of a POWERFUL & POWER HUNGRY hardware on a W10M Smartphone... #Overkill G'Day!

24. visualsan

Posts: 4; Member since: Nov 05, 2016

It will be exceedingly excellent for Continuum... if they can get stuffs right... If they succeed in doing this, I may dump my iPhone and finally move to Windows so that I can replace my laptop..

27. GreenMan

Posts: 2697; Member since: Nov 09, 2015

Ah! Good point... Almost forgot about The Continuum...

32. avalon2105

Posts: 352; Member since: Jul 12, 2014

Native support for Win32 programs. I know I would enjoy having Starcraft or Half-Life on my phone. Dock + keyboard + mouse = like playing on desktop.

2. LetsBeHonest

Posts: 1548; Member since: Jun 04, 2013

I will believe when I see it. At this point I cant say I'm excited.. Usually I get excited hearing such news from Microsoft but none of them made it to reality nor much progress. Also Microsoft's recent action tells me they don't really care for the mobile platform (though I cant blame them for tht) Anyway best of luck MS.

3. cleatglitch

Posts: 161; Member since: May 25, 2013

surface phone for me...wit pen please

4. meanestgenius

Posts: 21600; Member since: May 28, 2014

Yes, please and thank you.

5. Dr.Phil

Posts: 2314; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

This may be a way for them to get around the app deficit issue, because you could end up saying that this can run the same applications that your laptop can (that is if they make it run full Windows 10). I also wonder too if they'll bundle it with a laptop that it'll dock in. It all is going to come down to price though. I don't know how many people are going to be interested in a $1000+ Windows smartphone. They may have to sell it at a loss for the first generation. Also, Alan, the processor they would be looking at for this device is more than likely going to be something similar to a Core M which has a power consumption of around 4.5 W. To put that into perspective the Exynos 7420 had a power consumption between 4-5.5 W depending on which cores were being used.

8. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

selling a docking laptop as accesories is better, since people can choose the screen size, and it's possible to sell it for $150-$200 since all it have is screen, keyboard+touchpad and battery.. and running full-fledged windows on smartphone's small screen will be bothersome anyway, lol... hope they can push that smartphone screen to 6inch with tiny bezels, just like that last image

25. visualsan

Posts: 4; Member since: Nov 05, 2016

Most of the destkop apps are not touch optimized... However if microsoft handles this properly it is a sure win

6. avishekmukherjee

Posts: 362; Member since: Apr 09, 2015

Yea............... Surface phone :D

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