Microsoft Mobile is working on a Lumia 1020 successor
posted by Maxwell R. / Sep 05, 2014, 10:30 PM
While the Lumia 1020 is still arguably one of the better quality cameras you can get, never mind camera on a smartphone. The device is over a year old now, and it is getting long in the tooth by smartphone age standards. The 41-megapixel sensor saw its debut in the Nokia 808 PureView in 2012, and it evolved into its second generation with the Lumia 1020 one year later.
With Microsoft’s acquisition of Nokia Devices, and subsequent announcements of low and middle-range devices, you would not be alone in speculating what Microsoft Mobile’s plans were for the class leading ultra-high resolution camera technology on a smartphone. The good news is that it looks like Microsoft is continuing the carry the banner.
Jo Harlow, VP at Microsoft, confirmed that the company is continuing to invest in the technology, “Absolutely, we’re not end of the mission in camera technology, or in computational photography. We continue to invest in that area to bring the next greatest thing in high-end imaging.”
No details of any kind were forthcoming, and that leads to more conjecture about Microsoft’s plans. It is conceivable that those statements do not mean a true "successor" at all. However, a Lumia 1020 sequel would be a handy thing to have in the line-up by the holiday shopping season. Hype around such a niche device is only going to generate limited momentum, so it is difficult to envision a better time frame to launch a product. However, because it is a niche device, it could be argued that seasonal market trends are not the only consideration.
Given all that, the rumor mill has been quite void of any news about anything high-end on the Windows Phone front except for the rumored, and now apparently canceled, “McLaren” device. What would you like to see in a successor to the Lumia 1020? We would like to see an across the board bump in hardware to make the camera action faster, much faster. As much as we love how the camera on the 1020 can do, there are plenty of other flagships that are proving that megapixels are not everything.
What would you like to see in a follow-on to the Lumia 1020?
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This is not a knock on Microsoft or Nokia, but a giant pixel count camera, i.e. 41MP PureView, doesn't really make sense unless there is specific hardware for handling all the camera sensor data with high speed and low lag. I would design a new 41MP PureView class phone after extremely capable 64-bit processors are available or when there is a sufficiently capable co-processor that can be built into a phone without a huge impact on battery life.
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 10:46 PM 6
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Instead of 41mp, they can have a 10mp sensor with 4 times bigger pixel size. Stop the damn slow 41mp
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 11:19 PM 3
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It's not a lot sharper than ít competitors using Exmor RS sensor. A 4 times bigger pixel brings much much more noticeably better lowlight, dynamic range, lower shutter time while keeps the memory in check
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 9:29 AM 0
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I'm in a rare agreement with you on this...! The 808 had a unit exclusively dedicated to handling the process of oversampling, resulting in relatively quick shots and arguably better results. If they're gonna go with the 41 mp oversampling (and they should!), this is really the way to go... Other than this, we're in ultimate flagship territory, so no compromises are acceptable; built in QI charging, micro SD (or 128 built in) and Glance screen... All the bells and whistles! A limitation? Well, I personally have no need for anything above 1920x1080 resolution.
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 11:51 PM 5
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They do its called Lumia Creative Studio, let you edit on the go, they added more features when the new cyan firmware came out, the app always getting updated so its only going to get better, I cannot wait to see the camera features in the new firmware bringing at the end of the year...
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 12:41 AM 3
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While the 1020's camera was obviously high end and it has 2G of RAM, in every other notable category (screen, processor, etc.) it was an outdated regurgitation of the 920. That was really disappointing at the time and kept me away from the phone. That said, the answer to what I'd like to see in the next incantation is simple - true flagship specs in all regards. A Snapdragon 805 (or better if it exists at the time), 3G of RAM, QHD 5+ inch screen, 5MP+ front-facing, Qi, and maybe even the 3D touch tech that was supposed to be in McLaren. With these specs on-board, perhaps people can stop calling it a niche device - it will just be a powerful flagship that also has the best camera in a phone. To that end, designing it without that awkward bump on the back might go a long way. Like the new 730/5, the 1020 was only great at one thing, and unless you were primarily motivated by that one feature, there was no draw to the phone given it's otherwise mediocre specs. Perhaps by building a great phone around the camera they can even do away with the 9XX series of phones and offer one proper flagship; thus making their marketing less cumbersome and product line less confusing to those uninitiated in the Windows Phone landscape. Wishful thinking, for certain; but a man can dream.
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 10:58 PM 5
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I agree with you on everything EXCEPT for the QHD thing , it takes a toll on the phone in terms of battery , performance ,the lot , FullHD 1080p is enough for now . By the Way , The Lumia 730/735 is a great mid range device and if priced right it'll give those mid range androids a ride for their money
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 3:33 AM 3
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Improve the shot-to-shot time. This probably involves 64-bit processing, so may need to wait for SD 815. Lose the carrier exclusive? That is something that can be immediately implemented as the L1025.
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 11:01 PM 3
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Both Shot-to-Shot and loading times are going to be vastly diminished by the Lumia Denim update, and the updated (and slightly renamed) Lumia Camera app (instead of Nokia Camera), which has a bunch of other great features as well. http://conversations.nokia.com
The whole Denim update is pretty sweet, and I hope it hits developers well before the official Q4 release.http://conversations.nokia.com /2014/09/04/lumia-denim-update/
And, yes, carrier exclusivity needs to end. Add unique extra features to differentiate them (wireless charging built-in, for instance) but keep the core models the same.
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 3:57 PM 1
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that's when the Nvidia K1 is needed i guess . I wouldn't mind it if taking photos on it became as fast as 10-20ish MP . + you can always lower the pixel count down to maybe 20 or even less depending on your preference , so it's all good
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 11:27 PM 0
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Slim like lumia 830. 5 inch full HD Display IPS or AMOLED (QHD is over, it will kill battery, QHD is only for 5.5 inch+, 1080p is enough for 5") 64-bit chipset or S805 for fast image processing and fast shot to shot, 41 megapixels is okay but improve the lens, add more lossless zoom, 4k video recording, xenon and LED Flash. 32/64GB storage 2Gb of RAM(it is enough for a windows phone), and a microSD card slot. :)
posted on Sep 05, 2014, 11:40 PM 0
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Since when did the 808 have a 42mp camera????
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 12:17 AM 1
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Please MS, no more disappointments.
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 12:22 AM 2
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Its ok. Microsoft got lots of money to burn. I love it when they launch more new Lumia phones. Each phone they launch make them a little weaker. WP is a big money pit for them to fill.
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 12:32 AM 2
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MS killed Nokia, but Nokia killed back the WP. MS should not have FAVORITE brand(nokia) for WP. That pushed away the other OEMs . They don't care much about WP anymore, because of Nokia. Google was on the way to make the same mistake, but good that didn't. YET
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 12:59 AM 2
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In what way was the Lumia 1020 a disappointment... Not to say that the company hasn't disappointed... but specifically in regards to this article... How has the Lumia 1020 disappointed? Allow me to answer, it hasn't. It was a specific device for serious camera users and remains THE benchmark in said section. Also to add to that... it has received many updates in software and firmware (not to mention applications) that has KEPT it on top - with regards to photography. Is it a DSLR replacement? No. But it is the closest smartphone to come close, even today.
posted on Sep 07, 2014, 7:53 PM 0
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I agree with the statements above about the speed of handling, and the way the 808 was structured hardware wise. Furthermore there was a glitch in the 1020 where video was marred by slight audio noise as witnessed in the six week intensive test made by Steve Litchfield (who uses an 808 for all his Smartphone Show videocasts):http://stevelitchfield.com/ssh
"Hype around such a niche device is only going to generate limited momentum"
Only because Microsoft have decided to not offer anything, hardware wise, to give consumers a convincing argument to switch from Android or iOS to WP, as witnessed by shrinking market share, and stunted growth in the last measured quarter, year on year.
Microsoft is going for the low end with the hope for volume, and it looks like they will treat the potential high end in a step child manner. With the 41MP loss less hard and software, and dedicated camera staff, they're sitting on a potential gold mine, but in my view they have not been able to mine it. Instead they keep diluting the Pureview brand into variations, currently gen V, destined for the cheaper devices.
So what would I like to see?
Exchangeable 1cc (sugar lump size) Pureview modules that could be switched in or out. So super macro version, extreme tele version, wide angle, fish eye etc. The size is so tiny I could carry the whole set in my pocket. This "we have to make it flat and 7mm like all the other camera phones" trend is self defeating.
3D photography. Two 41mp Pureviews incorporated into on Nokia 1520, or, in the hardware unrestricted Surface devices. They could handle a lot of image processing without slow downs. Furthermore the Surface is not limited in a thinness war.
Again, why aren't Microsoft able to capitalize on their gold mine?
With Microsoft not being able to capitalize on their 41MP lossless zooming gold mine on their own devices, with 760 million Android devices sold every year, and a 33% growth rate, why not release a camera module, including battery, microSD card, akin to the Sony strappable lenses, sans the bulk, for Android and iOS. It could be similar to that extra battery for the 1020 in terms of size. Then sell the Microsoft Imaging software improvements? WP will never catch up to Android at this stage. There is a 100 years of product S-curve history to show this. Android has reached the tipping point, and is ubiquitous.
All of my statements above have been made without any info on the Microsoft/Canon cross licensing deal.
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 1:24 AM 2
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"Only because Microsoft have decided to not offer anything, hardware wise, to give consumers a convincing argument to switch from Android or iOS to WP, as witnessed by shrinking market share, and stunted growth in the last measured quarter, year on year." The only hardware that Microsoft could offer that could convince any substantial group of people that the pain and suffering of dealing with Microsoft would be worthwhile would have to incorporate some sort of revolutionary breakthrough that is only available with Microsoft hardware. Something like teleportation. I'm not being facetious. Nothing run of the mill is going to sufficient. As for improved camera tech, Microsoft does not have the competence to make the sort of excellent camera system that you describe. It simply is not in their DNA. Maybe Canon could make it for them, but why? How much would Microsoft have to pay Canon to get them to stab themselves in the face like that? Microsoft has the money, but just money by itself often has the same effect as poison on many ventures. A rational future for Microsoft is as an enterprise/cloud company. They really don't have anything to offer consumers. Even Windows and Office are falling by the wayside as more and more people are opting off of Microsoft's pay-forever subscription/upgrade treadmill.
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 2:08 AM 1
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yes doom and gloom, predictable mouth of garbage that continues to spew from your mind. http://www.forbes.com/sites/to
http://windowsitpro.com/blog/c ure_uptake_claim/ omparing-office-365-numbers-total-exchange-installed-base
Pay Canon? They have a license agreement with them. And considering Canon has no mark in the smartphone like competitors Sony/Samsung who are now offering android in their standalone cameras it makes sense for Canon, not MS, to get their name somewhere.
MS has nothing to offer consumers? Really? I would garner that over half the users on her, use some sort of Windows in their life. And considering MS has shaped the home computer for over 2 decades, you are right they have nothing to offer consumers.
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 6:57 AM 3
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Nokia Lumia 1030 Android L 5.5-inch 1920 x 1080 resolution on IPS-LCD and Corning Gorilla Glass 3 Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 41MP PureView Carl Zeiss 1.1/2" sensor Quad HAAC mics 3400 mAh battery 32gb internal micro SD card slot (expandable to 128gb) 3gb memory Spring 2015 Launch
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 1:51 AM 2
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It will take more than this to be the conqueror of the high-end. Everything other than the 41MP camera will be commonplace next year with tons of devices available from a multitude of Android vendors. Why would someone pick Microsoft to be their Android device vendor?
posted on Sep 06, 2014, 2:20 AM 0
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