Latest Surface Phone rumors repeat talk of SD-830 SoC, 8GB RAM and three different versions

Latest Surface Phone rumors repeat talk of SD-830 SoC, 8GB RAM and three different versions
Time to head to the pantry and grab the salt, because you should take the following story with a grain of the stuff. China's Weibo micro-blogging site has sprung to life with rumors about the Microsoft Surface Phone. Some of these rumors match ones that we told you about just last month, but go into further detail.

According to this speculation, the phone will be unveiled in the first quarter of 2017. Matching a rumor that we passed along to you last month, under the hood of the device will be a Snapdragon 830 chipset. A week before this rumor first started, Microsoft added the unannounced Snapdragon 830 (MSM8998) to the list of chipsets supported by Windows 10 Mobile.

Last month's rumor also mentioned that there would be three variants of the phone. One would be for the general consumer, one for smartphone fanatics, and the third for businesses. We can now flesh that out a bit. The latest buzz calls for one model to have 3GB of RAM with 32GB of internal storage. The second version would offer 6GB of RAM and 128GB of native memory. And the third variant will supposedly contain 8GB of RAM with a whopping 500GB of internal storage (insert grain of salt into mouth now).

The Surface Phone, according to these Weibo rumors, will be priced at over $900 based on the current exchange rate, although that would seem to apply to the second or third variations only. While stuffing a phone full of the latest components might sound good, it still doesn't make up for the "app gap," which has been closing at a glacial pace.

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source: Mobipicker




Posts: 432; Member since: Sep 29, 2015

I wonder if Microsoft could provide an auto web app. Like go to a site press a button on the site turn it to a web app, that could fill the app gap. Using my Nexus 6p for some reason can't stop going back to limit 950xl and continuum theater set up.

6. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

Well, that'll be dope.

22. sukrith2194 unregistered

That's coming with Android N to Android devices... the ability to open up a part of an app so as to do it stuff instead of downloading the entire thin!

29. sgodsell

Posts: 7618; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

When people talk about surface phone. Then most people now associate it with an x86 processor. The SD 830 is ARM based. So you can forget about running any x86 programs or apps. I know Universal apps is suppose to bridge the gap, but the apps are going to take a lot of time to come to their platform. It took years for iOS to reach 1.5 million apps, and the same is also true for Android as well with it's 2 million apps.

38. Subie

Posts: 2445; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

I agree. Yet we're still just talking about rumors here. Got to wait for an official announcement from Microsoft before I get exited or disappointed regarding hardware. Wish it was coming this year though.

44. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

Well, That's only possible because the said apps are already supported by the android platform in itself.. But its different with MS, as they don't support most important/big names apps on their platform. So, even if they tried, they wouldn't be able to pull off, at least till they support those apps on the windows platform.

61. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013 1.5million apps means little when 6 apps dominate 91% of smartphone user screen time.

3. yoosufmuneer

Posts: 1518; Member since: Feb 14, 2015

Why Arm tho?

8. 47AlphaTango

Posts: 746; Member since: Sep 27, 2015

That's a good question. As majority of those apps use CISC chip instruction set. How the hell are they gonna optimize all apps to run on a RISC chip instruction set?

21. rob5150

Posts: 183; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

Why arm? Because Intel lost the race. Intel have thrown the towel in on mobile processors.

26. Ruturaj

Posts: 1484; Member since: Oct 16, 2014

Yes, core m with even lower TDP would have made more sense, I guess with 10nm chips.

4. zunaidahmed

Posts: 1186; Member since: Dec 24, 2011

ARM architecture will be a epic failure, no fill windows but windows RT+ WP type interface

23. kamejoko

Posts: 256; Member since: Nov 10, 2011

why with arm, android and ios are succeed?. because MS is stupid.

30. sgodsell

Posts: 7618; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

What kills me is the old timers who think that Mobile chips will never see the speed of the desktop or laptop. I am actually excited about the new 10nm Snapdragon 830 SoC. Considering this new Snapdragon processor will be able to use the latest DDR4 2166mhz RAM. Plus the 830 can use not only dual channel ram chips, but Quad channel 64 bit ram chips for a maximum data throughput of 58.6 gb/s. The Intel i5 6th gen only supports a maximum of 34.8 gb/s. Also the 830 is an octa core with 4 cores clocked at 3.6ghz and 4 clocked at 2.8ghz. The 830 has a newer GPU clocked at 1 ghz. It's a beast of a processor for any smartphone.

40. vincelongman

Posts: 5813; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Again, that rumor is most likely fake since the memory bandwidthh doesn't add upp The 820's specs are LPDDR4 Dual-channel 32-bit 1866 MHz (2x2x32x1866)/8=29,856MB/s=29.8GB/s memory bandwidth 830's rumored spces LPDDR4 Quad-channel 64-bit 2166 MHz (2x4x64x2166)/8=138,624MB/s=138.6GB/s memory bandwidth Which IMO is too big of a jump I'd expect it to around 30-70GB/s

46. sgodsell

Posts: 7618; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

Qualcomm has listed the 830 as 58.6 gb/s. Which is still faster than an i5 6th gen.

59. vincelongman

Posts: 5813; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Again, please send me the link from Qualcomm Not from Wikipedia, since Wikipedia been edited by someone who read that rumor

47. zunaidahmed

Posts: 1186; Member since: Dec 24, 2011

Mobile chips will never have latest desktop performance. There is something called power consumption restriction, then there also is something called performance per clock cycle, numbers mean s**t on paper. PC ram is no more a bottle neck since the start of DDR3, the problem with smartphone SoC is that the whole chip has to share the ram for both CPU and GPU, while the PC can have dedicated ones. Currently PC graphics bandwidth can reach 400-600gbps. And for the clock speed you were talking about, you should already have known that the GHz doesn't mean anything by itself, the architecture matters more. An Intel skylark core-m dual core chip with 2.2 GHz could s**t on most chips in smartphones these days, so yeah. The performance gap between desktop and mobile is certainly closing because silicon chops are getting more and more efficient, but the gap is still there. I don't expect a galaxy s7 to render videos like my 5960x on my desktop, that's just they way it is now.

50. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Desktop is going the way of the Dodo sadly. In the past i need to squeeze past horde of DIY parts customers to buy my DIY desktop. Nowaday, those places are mostly empty and many such shop has already wind down doing other form of business. Most people are happy with their notebook and mobiles.

62. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Mainly due to online stores having way cheaper and much wider range of parts than any DIY dedicated store. Even 12yrs ago, we didn't make money off DIY, we made money off the tech support side at a local DIY store where I worked in the back as tech.

5. Bankz

Posts: 2550; Member since: Apr 08, 2016

Lol, Is this phone still a thing even? Knowing microsoft, they'll mess this up as per usual. Coin it however you want, analize it however you will, but as far as I'm concerned, there's one solution to the problem for MS and Its simple...APPS!!!

7. 87186

Posts: 312; Member since: Aug 01, 2014

...and execution. sure the apps are missing, but their hardware and OS are all half-baked and not finished, yet somehow they're on the market. I will say this, their efforts are......"cute".

11. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 727; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

I couldn't agree more. I have always been heavily interested in Windows Mobile but it looks like that Microsoft is not fully committed to its platform. They only improve it here and there but they don't show the absolute will to make it fully competitive with iOS or Android. And thats why I don't buy it.

20. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3189; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

Maybe if some of you spent some time to read articles instead of going straight to the comments to troll, y'all would know that Microsoft has given up on the consumer market and is shifting their efforts to Enterprise customers. They will continue to support their OEM partners who build consumer devices and continue to develop W10M but they've hoisted the white flag. It's over as far as Lumia is concerned. They don't care about what consumers say anymore and I don't blame them. The public didn't support the platform. All they did was b*tch and moan like little girls about Snapchat and Instagram. Going forward, Microsoft is about productivity, security and Continuum. Those are the things I care about so Windows 10 Mobile will remain my mobile OS of choice.

25. trnz007

Posts: 49; Member since: Feb 12, 2014

well said mate.

28. nedywest71

Posts: 19; Member since: Aug 02, 2013

How productive WP could be without quality apps? I got a company WP (8.1) and regularity use 10 apps but none of them offer the quality or usefulness (extra options) of their Android counterparts and often than not I had to use my personal Android phone to finish the task.

36. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

What 'productive' apps do you use. Not social apps but productive. And which WP8.1 phone. If it is a company phone I hardly doubt it was more than 200 at launch but I can be totally wrong. In terms of productivity nothing matches my current combo. 950xl with a Surface pro 4 in tow. Any app I could have for android is simply run on the surface via emulation with little hiccups. Hell even when my surface wasn't in tow, my desktop which is rarely off, I can vpn into and run android apps from there. So, if MS was smart, and offered an x86 variant than ran true x86 apps or had x86 ability even if the UI was a phone UI, then they will have something.

51. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

I use Office 365 on my Android tablet among other things. To organise my notes, i use trello app, google keep and Onenote. For communication, i use What's app, Skype, Hangout, Gmail and Outlook. Everything i need to be productive is in my Android tablet which i carry around the office. I also use bluetooth keyboard when i need to do a lot of typing. elitewolverine, i not asking you to do that but there are user that prefer other tools not just Windows. My boss prefer a macbook, some of my colleague prefer their iPad. As long as there an app for the task, people would use it.

65. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Good. Though the question wasn't raised at was how a WP couldn't be productive. When people are in a business not a single person I know uses their phone as any source of heavy lifting except to modify things on the go, which yes is a huge thing but at the end of the day, they will switch to a tablet/laptop/desktop to do real productivity, real work. Office has been part of WP, so no big there, since you have an android tablet...this was about proves that the phone is not your sole source of productivity. And I could get the same and more production out of a 70 dollar 7in Windows tablet all the way to a 1500 buck surface tablet/book. Nothing the android tablet offers is not available on a equivalent Windows tablet, when we through in emulation. So any tablet conversation is moot. Especially since to get anything good out of production on an android tablet your looking at 500+ for one, out of personal experience that is. And this isn't about forcing people to do anything, I could care less if someone in the office is using android to be productive. It's the no brains of the opps thinking all you can do is call on a WP, which was the person I was asking.

35. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 727; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

I think that Microsoft had to fix so many things at the same time (Windows 8 disaster, bringing Office into the cloud, be present on other mobile platforms) that they couldn't focus resources on Windows Mobile. I wouldn't mind if Microsoft gives up Lumia Brand and goes with Surface brand as long as they improve their OS. 1. Make Life Tiles useful (let users do tasks directly out of life tiles without launching the app) 2. Make multiple window possible (true multi tasking) If Microsoft gets life Tiles Right, it would be the absolute killer feature.

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