LTE reference uncovered in general iOS 5 development builds

LTE reference uncovered in general iOS 5 development builds
After the report that an iPhone with LTE reference in the iOS code is being tested by a carrier, and the tip that AT&T is installing LTE equipment in an Apple Store, comes the realization that this LTE mention is present in all recent development builds of iOS.

Therefore the iPhone that has been in field testing on the above mentioned carrier might have simply been carrying iOS 5, rather than being some test device with an LTE radio.

While it's more than likely that the iPhone will get LTE one day, it surely won't be with this 2011 edition, since Apple said the more Qualcomm MDM9615 chips that make LTE less of a battery drain, are not sampling till the end of this year.

Not to mention that the first generation of LTE radios, as found in the HTC Thunderbolt, doesn't come cheap

This LTE reference in the property list file of the iPhone's internal field testing application has only been found on iOS 5 builds destined for the GSM version of the iPhone 4 and the CDMA iPad 2, so that might be another hint where to expect it.

source: MacRumors



1. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

The iPhone is going to get LTE in the future. That is fact, I just hope it's not a year from now. Android has embraced 4G. 4G is spreading very fast & most people who do get a taste of 4G just can't go back to 3G. Apple I think is losing a lot of people because of that fact. The people Apple is losing are going to Android & 4G. Luckily Apple is making up for that loss with RIM’s customers jumping to Apple. What Verizon has done with their LTE network in such a fast time table is nothing short of incredible. Their LTE is almost just about everywhere. I truly think that an iPhone with LTE on Verizon would be HUGE. Android is capitalizing on the 4G. I think that is one of the reasons why Android has 52% of the U.S. market. If Apple can adopt 4G LTE or EVEN WiMAX on this iPhone, then Android's 52% market share would be challenged that is for sure! If not then Android’s lead will continue to grow because 4G is continuing to grow!

3. quakan

Posts: 1419; Member since: Mar 02, 2011

More than likely it will be a year from now with the way Apple releases their products. I think for the most part, even without LTE, iPhone sales won't be hurt at all and probably will be better than the last. Apple has the ability to get consumers to buy their product without them knowing much about it. You also have to remember some people like iOS better than Android so regardless of the iPhone 5's tech specs, people will buy it just to have the most recent iOS on the most recent device. LTE is still very relatively new with not many devices running on it so even if Apple comes a year late to the party, it won't be that big of deal. It should have been a given we wouldn't see LTE this year because these 1st generation LTE phones are battery hogs and Apple prides themselves on having great battery life.

7. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

You make good points, but most top of the line products are 4G. People want a top of the line phone to be 4G. Almost every phone that is coming out now that is considered high-end will have 4G. Whether it's WiMAX, LTE or HSPA+ they will all be 4G. If the iPhone needs to wait another year to get 4G, then it will only pad the lead Android has. I don’t consider a phone high-end or top tier if it doesn’t have 4G of some sort.

8. quakan

Posts: 1419; Member since: Mar 02, 2011

If we're being honest most consumers don't care anything about tech specs. Usually your average smartphone consumer only wants to know if the phone can text, call, use the internet, and if it has apps. If you remember earlier this year there was a survey and in the survey it stated that many iPhone 4 users thought they had 4g. That tells you right there that your average consumer doesn't know much tech wise and they probably bought it off of hype or just simply the cool factor. Smartphones are now getting to be just like computers in the sense that they are only as smart as the user.

12. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

quakan you really thing people don't care about 4G? I guess maybe you are right, people outside of the big cities probably want a phone to text & make calls with, I can see that! I guess people in the big cities probably care more about 4G & all that good stuff. I really don't see the farmer in Iowa caring about 4G like a person in New York, Chicago, & Los Angeles. I see what you are saying!

18. quakan

Posts: 1419; Member since: Mar 02, 2011

Outside of business and tech people, I don't really see people having a big need or want for it. Your average suburban, middle-class family is doing just fine with 3g. For the most part, I bet most people would say that it would be nice to have 4g but it's not a deal breaker. In probably 2+ years it will be but not now. If this was fall of 2013 it would definitely be a problem if Apple offered a 3g phone. The market is currently in transition from 3g to 4g so to expect everyone to hop on board with 4g right away can't be expected. Even your favorite android smartphone manufacturer isn't completely on board just yet; give it some time.

26. Paden

Posts: 262; Member since: Jul 07, 2011

Once 4G has the kinks worked out, is more readily available, and manufacturers can figure out a way to maintain the longevity of their devices batteries... The iPhone will have 4G.. Or at least I hope they wait for that. If it's rushed, it'll be antenna gate all over again.

27. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

i wouldnt call that completely true Quakan. If people have 4g service or not they want "4g" phones. All day long at the store people ask "which ones are 4g, i want those"... even if they dont actually live in 4g areas. Maybe it differs from area to area, but in my area if it isnt 4g, it doesnt sell well.. period.

32. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

That is the same where I live. Everyone I talk to wants 4G. Even people with iPhone 4's want 4G. Again that is where I live.

11. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

I disagree. In Q2 VZW iPhone outsold all 4G LTE devices combined. I think the new iPhone will have HSPA+ which will allow it to have a "4G" version that people can buy. Only people who will miss out are VZW customers, but I don't think that will hurt sales.

28. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

sadly, i agree with taco on this one.. i feel so dirty now.

35. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

remixfa I hear Yoda saying beware of the dark side! lol :-)

40. darth8ball

Posts: 520; Member since: Aug 02, 2011

Verizon had one phone (Thunderbolt) come out in the 1Q and two come out in the last month of Q2. If you combine the battery issues suffered by the TBolt with the early service outage of the LTE network, you can easily explain the ware of the LTE shoppers. Then look at the Apple supply problems because of the Japanese disaster, those folks who were waiting to be eligible for upgrade, and those who don't buy for the first month or two of a release thinking to see if there are problems first and I think you will see a different picture than painted by pure numbers.

41. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

You're contracdicting yourself. You're saying a phone is behind the curve if it doesn't have LTE then you say LTE phones have problems and that's why they aren't selling well. What?! Which is it? The pure numbers are that the iPhone is outselling 4G phones by a lot on VZW.

42. darth8ball

Posts: 520; Member since: Aug 02, 2011

The sale of phones has nothing to do with who is ahead or behind the curve the two have nothing to do with one another. LCD TV's outsell LED TV's but LED is the newer better technology, LCD is the name people know, and LED is not understood by all. Get it now.

44. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

People understand 4G is faster though so that's a lame comparison. Plus this wasn't even the argument you used. You said it wasn't selling because of issues with the phones.

45. darth8ball

Posts: 520; Member since: Aug 02, 2011

you know what you don't want to have discussions, share ideas or learn. All you want to do is tell non Apple users they are losers, and praise yourself for being smart enough to be an Apple owner. In the discussions where Android owning 52% of the smartphone share in the US to Apples 22% you were not present, like the discussion about Apple falsifying documents in a Netherlands court, to try to stop Samsung from selling the Galaxy 10.1 tablet...NO TACO.

50. taco50

Posts: 5506; Member since: Oct 08, 2009

Apple hasn't falsified anything. After reading up they had the actual phones and tablets present in court so the judge knew they weren't the same size or aspect ratio. Why hasn't Apple been sanctioned? Good job android on giving away more copies of your OS than Apple has sold. Not a big accomplishment when you're giving it away.

46. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

just to throw some taco logic at you, most LTE enhanced phones start at 250-300 after rebate. So according to taco's long used logic, the iphone4 is selling better because its the cheap phone, not the better phone. :) :) :) :) there, now i dont feel so dirty. :)

13. dandirk

Posts: 187; Member since: Aug 04, 2011

LTE is a factor right now for Verizon customers only. AT&T will come later, but won't really be a big deal a year from how. AT&T customers will say "Does it have LTE?"... Rep will say," AT&T doesn't have LTE right now, so it does't matter"... Customer: "uh ok iphone please" Sure AT&T will get LTE through out the year... Some people will miss out, but by the time their LTE coverage matters, iphone 6 or 5gs or whatever will have LTE.

21. biophone

Posts: 1994; Member since: Jun 15, 2011

I had a thunderbolt which is 4g and switched to an ip4 and i am much happier. The thunderbolt has a very high return rate so it seems alot of people have tried 4g and went back to 3g. I know it has a high return rate because when i returned mine they told me that.

34. nb2six

Posts: 298; Member since: Apr 27, 2011

how long ago did you get your Tbolt?

47. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

the Tbolt was last years junk with an LTE radio parading around as a primo phone.. and it definately wasnt. Its a 1.5 year old Evo with 4g.

62. biophone

Posts: 1994; Member since: Jun 15, 2011

The tbolt was a very good phone. It had lte the evo didnt thats huge. What sucked was it was so big and bulky and the battery life was so poor. Otherwise i would of keeped it. The ip4 is so much better. I dont care that it only has 3g because of wifi.

66. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

the tbold and the evo are the exact same phone.. the tbolt just adds LTE. The thing had an undersized battery, LTE sucks major juice, and the single core snapdragon used is a battery sucker as well. Im surprised it could ever get off the charging cable.. lol.

2. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

Well, the next iphone should be at least HSPA+ if nothing else. If it actually comes to Tmobile I would be shocked if it wasnt HSPA+ 21mb/s capable. Or at least that crappy 12mb/s HSPA+ ATT likes to call 4g.. lol

5. SuperAndroidEvo

Posts: 4888; Member since: Apr 15, 2011

I just think that if Apple doesn't have a 4G iPhone then it will be a very bad mistake. As 4G grows, so does Android. I am willing to bet WP7 will have a 4G phone before Apple does if indeed the next iPhone is only 3G!

29. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

Wp7 has 4g phones comming any day now. HSPA+ IS 4g. If your talking LTE 4g, its not gonna happen.. Apple already said as much.. at least not for this next iPhone. But having HSPA+ onboard this time should be a given.. and if its on Sprint, probably 60/40 chance of it having Wimax.

4. ilia1986 unregistered

Not even LTE. Will save iOS5. Not even NFC will save iOS 5. Not even magic punk flying bears who shoot gamma rays out of the GUI will save iOS 5... You get the idea. What could have saved iOS 5 but wasn't announced in WWDC? I'll give you a hint: It starts with W, ends with S, and got I, D, G, E and T in between. B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-O, iOS is dead lolz.

6. quakan

Posts: 1419; Member since: Mar 02, 2011

Right everyone is just dying for widgets. Ha please.

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