Jelly Bean already works around Apple's pinch-to-zoom patent
posted by Scott H. / Aug 30, 2012, 8:08 PM
The key here is that Apple’s patent isn’t actually on the idea of pinching your screen to zoom – that would be a classic idea of trying to patent an idea, and would be thrown out (it may be thrown out anyways once the prior art plays a bigger role in subsequent legal action). Instead, the ‘915 patent is on a specific way to translate the movements to a zoom, and for some else’s implementation to infringe they have to copy all parts of the patent.
The key part, as pointed out by The Verge’s Nilay Patel, can be found in one of the key elements of the patent:
Notice the part in bold? That sentence restricts Apple’s patent to implementations where one finger is an anchor and the movement of the other one is what the device uses to create the zoom animation. Allow both fingers to move apart to perform the zoom maneuver and Apple’s patent is not infringed.
Apple is no dummy – their patent was written this way for a reason; first, you can’t patent the concept of pinching to zoom. Second, it’s a great way to simplify the motion so the CPU does the minimal amount of work possible, since anchoring the calculation at the first touch means that the mobile device only has to calculate the path that the second finger travels. But CPUs are much more powerful in 2012, and it turns out that it’s not really hard to have a phone or tablet calculate vectors for both (or multiple) fingers and create a zoom effect from that motion.
Of course Google doesn’t employ many dummies either, and their engineers have apparently already figured this out and implemented such a dual-finger-moving zoom in Jelly Bean. This is easiest to see if you have a JB-equipped Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 next to an iPhone or an iPad, but if you open up Chrome on Android 4.1 and zoom, it definitely reacts in terms of both positioning and zoom to movement by either finger, or both (or you can vary which one is moving during the pinch process). You can also initiate a pan while zooming.
There isn’t much chance this was accidental, especially since a Google spokesperson confirmed to The Verge that "Apple's '915 patent claims a very specific software implementation, and the implementation is different in Jelly Bean."
Samsung’s loss to Apple may seem like the end of the world to some Android fans. As we’ve written, Samsung may gain several wins on appeal if their lawyers put on a better showing. But Apple’s patents have restrictions as well (or else they would certainly be thrown out, as may indeed happen to some of them), and once you pay close attention to those limitations, a team of clever engineers can usually achieve the same or similar effect without infringing on a valid patent. So rest assured, you will be able to pinch to zoom in all future versions of Android.
Although this raises an intriguing question: did Google file for a patent on their implementation of pinch to zoom? And if so, do they plan to simply license it out (and would Apple respond by then licensing theirs out, rather than concede this revenue source to Google?). Time will tell we suppose.
source: The Verge
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mmm i think this will be very funny
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 8:14 PM 26
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You go Google!
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 8:20 PM 27
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Yep! And this just shows something about a rule, law, contract, etc... There's always a loophole. For everything. Anyway, I'm just glad that Apple can't sue for something ridiculous like this that is in Windows Phones as well as Androids.
posted on Aug 31, 2012, 4:39 AM 6
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It is a silly thing to sue about! It's like suing them for the volume rocker buttons on the side of a phone, stuff like that don't go under the name "innovation", it's like common-sense! In face Windows 7 also uses pinch to zoom for picture zooming, offcourse only if you have a touch screen of some kind.
posted on Aug 31, 2012, 3:03 PM 1
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not many android fans think its the end of the world becaue of samsungs loss.. most of us see it it as a time to hit apple back and MUCH harder
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 8:22 PM 36
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I agree - I could care less if APPLE won - jury did not seem too bright and like the judge, rushed over everything to jump to a conclusion. It will get overturned or downgraded.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 9:11 PM 10
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the only people that care that apple won are the itrolls that cant see past their nose. The expectation is overturn/reduction in some way shape or form. No reasonable person thinks that apple should have won such a lopsided victory, not even other patent lawyers that were interviewed pre/post trial.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 9:26 PM 11
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they didnt win until the judgment is FINAL, gallito. It is not FINAL yet. There is a difference. The jury's decision was a hard guideline for the judge to make her FINAL ruling on, but she does not have to abide by it, and most people dont think she will. So technically all they have won at this point.. was... an end to the court case.. for now.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 11:06 PM 8
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al the headlines around the we says that Apple won if you want o spin it,.. go ahead I am talking in the present not the future and here Apple won unless you can prove me otherwise.. which you wont..
posted on Aug 31, 2012, 1:05 AM 2
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Sammy's legal team f*cked up. Time to play the appeal according to how Google played Oracle v. Google - can we all say invalidity? Fortunately the appeal process is about the law, not jury nullification.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 11:16 PM 6
This is great news, I was afraid that Apple would prevent other from using pinch to zoom. I think Google is different from Apple and will use the possible pinch to zoom patent only to protect themselves and their allies and not make money from it.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 8:30 PM 16
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Apple goal is to prevent copying, not to make money from the patents.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 11:18 PM 1
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It's a snarky comment. Read it as if I'm saying it gleefully. And it's actually a little on topic; you're both right and wrong. Apple has been wielding its patents in an attempt to drive Android out of the market, all because Steve Jobs didn't think anyone else could possibly come up with the idea for a mobile operating system that uses a touchscreen for its main UI without copying Apple. It's also a way to abuse government power in order to try to gain an unfair market advantage. For a company so obviously and historically obsessed with control, this is nowhere near to being a surprise.
posted on Aug 31, 2012, 12:34 AM 11
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Yeah you're a little on topic and not a little off topic, my bad (you realize that's worse right?). But anyway, you're basically saying the same thing I did with more detail. It seems like you're agreeing with me more than you are with MeoCao because he's suggesting that licensing features is Apple's primary goal. Snarky? Yes. Did it answer our dispute? No. Sounded kinda ranty...
posted on Sep 03, 2012, 5:26 AM 0
They're not achieving their goal and they have themselves to blame. They copied the LG prada which won the iF design award in Sep 2006, pull down notification, answer a call with a message. According to the trial....they copied pinch to zoom from Mitsubishi . The jury foreman, who patented tivo though he didnt invent it, doesnt like the whole prior art thing either. In fact once again, I don't think you can name a single thing actually invented by Apple. Entertain us...name just 1....until then, I'll take apple's word as honest when they say they've been shameless about stealing good ideas. Hopefully, they don't steal any 4g technology.
posted on Aug 31, 2012, 8:00 AM 4
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Apple and their products, they will always sue if someone else made it identical or similar to theirs(even though in reality it isn't but they're fooling everyone with every move they make). Apple is going way overboard...Jb show what you have against ios!
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 8:30 PM 6
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In just like that.....it isnt a big deal. I predict Apple will start patenting all variations of their patents in the near future... I recommended press 2 corners and zoom for Android. Google, hop on that.
posted on Aug 30, 2012, 8:32 PM 5
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