Huawei faces EC ban on its 5G networking equipment

Huawei faces EC ban on its 5G networking equipment
According to Reuters, the European Commission is considering a ban on the use of Huawei networking equipment for the build out of 5G networks in Europe. The U.S., calling the manufacturer a national security threat, has already blocked the company from selling its cellular components in the states, as has Australia. Both countries fear that Huawei gear spies on consumers and corporations by using a "back door" to send information to the Chinese government.

The trade group that represents wireless network providers, the GSMA, is concerned that if Huawei equipment is banned in major markets, it could set back the wireless carrier industry by years. Later this month, the GSMA will be holding its next board meeting and the group's Director General, Mats Granryd, has sent out correspondence to members that includes a proposal to add to a debate about Huawei to the agenda.

Besides worrying about possible "back doors" used by Huawei, U.S. and European officials are concerned because the communist Chinese government requires that the tech companies under its regime help in intelligence matters. Even with denials from company founder Ren Zhengfei and current chairman Liang Hua, Huawei can't seem to do anything to disprove the rumors that its phones and equipment spy on consumers and corporations.

Considering that Huawei is the global leader in providing networking equipment to wireless carriers, the GSMA is worried that some operators won't have access to the latest technology if Huawei can't sell its gear in certain markets. The trade group's board meeting will be held while the Mobile World Congress (MWC) is taking place in Barcelona from February 25th to the 28th. The GSMA is the organization behind the MWC shows.

If more countries ban Huawei networking equipment from being used by wireless carriers in their region, it isn't totally clear what the GSMA can do to allow overturn these decisions.

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36 Comments

1. Budhainthemood

Posts: 83; Member since: Mar 03, 2018

Good news. Asian spies out of EU and USA.

4. lyndon420

Posts: 6790; Member since: Jul 11, 2012

That's right. Our government's don't want anyone spying on us except them.

13. Cat97

Posts: 1893; Member since: Mar 02, 2017

However, it would be nice, if not mandatory, for actual proof to be presented to the world. I suppose such proof is already shared between security agencies. And also Huawei should make available to buyers the source code for all of their firmware.

22. mootu

Posts: 1520; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

They have no proof! If the US Gov. had proof of any Chinese company spying they would be shouting it from the rooftops. Huawei funds government testing labs in many countries to allow said countries to independently test Huawei equipment, not a single one has found any evidence of backdoors, the NSA cannot find any backdoors, neither has GCHQ and these are some of the most clued up people on the planet.

28. mahalo15

Posts: 82; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

China is introducing social credit system...basically ranking its citizens based on their behavioral patterns including whether they agree with govt policies. Is this possible without help from telecom companies??? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/china-social-credit-a-model-citizen-in-a-digital-dictatorship/10200278

2. osterrich21

Posts: 186; Member since: Apr 14, 2017

the American game to remove Huawei from the market seems to be working

8. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

It's not a "game". It's very real. China is as bad as it gets when it comes to cyber crimes. They violate every online law which exists, they steal technology and they manipulate the foreign markets to gain the upper hand. They are a non democratic, authoritarian regime. Their president lasts for ever and nobody wants that kind of absurdity.

11. RebelwithoutaClue unregistered

It's very real. China is as bad as it gets when it comes to cyber crimes. They violate every online law which exists, they steal technology and they manipulate the foreign markets to gain the upper hand Sound like America to me

31. Leo_MC

Posts: 7432; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

USA (America is a continent). Good thing USA based companies don't make telecommunication equipment; I really wish that Europeans could develop a powerful software company that builds a mobile OS and competes with US based companies.

34. RebelwithoutaClue unregistered

You're absolutely right :) Doesn't Cisco make 5G equipment? I thought they did https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/service-provider/mobile-internet/5g-infographic.html

35. Leo_MC

Posts: 7432; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Yes, they do, but mostly internal routers; the big communications nodes are being held by Ericsson and Nokia (if we are to exclude Huawei and ZTE). The Chinese companies, with their small prices (and low quality), "flooded" the markets. Cisco is 5 times more expensive than a ZTE equipment (and Verizon alone has thousands and thousands of antennas, so we are talking big money); Huawei auctioned half the price of Nokia for a public investment in my country, Cisco didn't even dare to auction... :).

21. SIGPRO

Posts: 2817; Member since: Oct 03, 2012

But where is the actual proof that they are spying? While Cisco had NSA backdoors installed and got caught. U.S is even spying on their allies, hypocrites! They only want to remove Huawei because they want to have American equipment everywhere to secure the future of those companies! These major companies run the government!

23. mootu

Posts: 1520; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

Trump wants everyone to use Cisco networking equipment for "national security reasons". In 2018 5 new backdoors were found in Cisco systems. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html That alone should tell you why the US Gov. wants them so badly.

32. Leo_MC

Posts: 7432; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

You mean EU and Japanese equipment? Because Cisco is a drop in a EU ocean.

36. Ratioexmachina

Posts: 5; Member since: Dec 08, 2011

I have plenty of acquaintances working in the telco space, some for the big names mentioned in the article. They all have backdoors and such installed in their equipment. The only difference is who do we want to be spying on us? The Americans or the Commies, erm...the Chinese? Let's not forget guns are (still) legal in the US while China has implemented a citizen scoring system to keep its people in check. That's all I wanted to say. The choice is yours...

3. Bondurant

Posts: 781; Member since: Jun 04, 2014

China still going soft on USA rather than exposing how apple, Android, fakebook, Twitter are used by CIA or just straight banning apple in China.

9. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

USA hasn't and doesn't blatantly violate all the online regulations like China in the broad day light. There are rumors but nothing like Chinese spying. At least western countries have the decency to do this kind of stuff in full secrecy (if you think they are doing...) but China is just unprecedented. They steal data, they block internet as they please, they block companies any time they want abruptly, they do all sorts of stuff to defeat all the rest and gain the financial upper hand in almost all business sectors.

17. osterrich21

Posts: 186; Member since: Apr 14, 2017

NSA Edward Snowden ...

26. drunkenjay

Posts: 1671; Member since: Feb 11, 2013

yeah he exposed american spying, chinese people who expose the government actually get killed. do you want to have a social credit system like china where you cant even fly planes or catch trains?

24. mootu

Posts: 1520; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

"There are rumors but nothing like Chinese spying" You really do live in a dreamworld bubble Piyath, just take a good look into what the 5 eyes network does and there are many more instances. The US puts more resources into spying on everyone than any other country on the planet, they are spying on everyone including their own.

30. mahalo15

Posts: 82; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

5 eyes won't make you disappear or kill you but China would or if you're lucky they would send you to labour camps for simply having an opinion or criticizing the govt.

29. mahalo15

Posts: 82; Member since: Nov 30, 2018

Correct and China even spy openly on their own citizens and nobody says a word. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/china-social-credit-a-model-citizen-in-a-digital-dictatorship/10200278 After 9/11 NSA starts spying to hunt terrorists and keep america safe and the world loses its s**t.

5. gdawilson

Posts: 299; Member since: Jul 21, 2014

where's the proof?

6. markusinfinite

Posts: 79; Member since: Aug 05, 2016

You will definitely get the prove by studying the history of Chinese communism and how they force people to re-educated and terminated. People even lost their lives if speaking out. A place run by cruelty might produce good products but so much bad deeds are planted.

10. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

It's useless explaining that sort of thing for the modern day millennials because things can get all sorts of ugly pretty quickly. I can become a homophobic, antisemitic, racist, bigoted sociopath just like that if I defy any Asian country due to their actual crimes.

12. RebelwithoutaClue unregistered

Antisemitic by defying ANY Asian country? And yes, the regime is bad in China. But don't pretend other countries are not as bad as China when it comes to business. America, Israel, Great Britain, Netherlands, China, there isn't a country that one should trust.

16. Aruminiumaian

Posts: 209; Member since: Jul 22, 2017

In that way you get the reason behind the "assumption" that Huawei is spying, but not the actual proof. Here proof can be only obtained by monitoring all the network traffics from their electronic devices in real time to see if there's any suspicious data-sending to Chinese server, which would be extremely difficult to distinguish from regular data collection that many companies do. This is why US government no longer bothers finding the evidence of them spying, but is rather bringing up all the lawsuits they have encountered in the past(e.g. the one between Huawei and T-Mobile) to drive them into a corner..

14. cmdacos

Posts: 4208; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

There isn't any proof. Nor will there be.

19. cheetah2k

Posts: 2256; Member since: Jan 16, 2011

There is ample evidence that is not and does not need to be made public. Having monitored and tested Huawei Network equipment, it has multiple concealed features (that are getting increasingly more sophisticated that can be remotely activated to intercept communications. They also have the capability to remotely shut down their equipment - not that I can think of a single reason why we should be worried that a Chinese company, led by a former PLA Intelligence Officer and secretly funded by the Chinese Government, should be a threat to anyone if they can shut down national communications.... All communications switches also have a LIG (Lawful Interception Gateway) that can be used (legally) by law enforcement to facilitate communications intercepts. Huawei monitor these LIGs in every switch, so they (or their "friends") know who and what is being monitored by the Law Enforcement Agencies in every country where their equipment is installed. They potentially (but I have no evidence of this) could monitor those HI-1 and HI-2 links too. Think what you will, IMO they are a potential risk to the national security in any country who deploys their equipment or to anyone that uses their phones.

25. mootu

Posts: 1520; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

Nice cut and paste. Now can we have some real proof, you have just described every switch made by every network equipment OEM on the planet. Huawei funds independant labs all over the world for governments to test their equipment and they have found nothing, you must be far smarter than all the top spying folks at GCHQ in the UK.

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