Google's Pixel phones could be the first in the US to pack Snapdragon 821 CPUs

Google's Pixel phones could be the first in the US to pack Snapdragon 821 CPUs
We're probably less than a month away from the official unveil of Google's next Android smartphones, the Pixel and Pixel XL, but we've already learned quite a bit about them.

The newest information regarding Google's Pixel phones suggests that they might be the first smartphones in the United States to pack Qualcomm's Snapdragon 821 processors.

The Snapdragon 821 chipset has already made it to market since the Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe is now available for purchase, but the device is limited to Taiwan for the time being.

Another smartphone that could be powered by a similar Snapdragon 821 CPU, the Xiaomi Mi 5s hasn't been released yet, but we doubt it will ever be available in the United States.

According to AndroidPolice's David Ruddock, Google fans who wished that the search giant would “really get out there and market their phone” may eventually see that becoming reality next month.

“The Pixels will be the first US devices with Snapdragon 821 by a long shot,” he added. Up until now, all previous reports pointed out that both Pixel smartphones will come equipped with Qualcomm Snapdragon 821 processors and 4GB of RAM.

If the new report proves to be accurate, then Nexus fans will be pleased to be offered some of the most powerful smartphones available on the market.



Other highlights of the Pixel and Pixel XL smartphones include 12-megapixel rear-cameras, as well as 5-inch 1080p and 5.5-inch Quad HD display, respectively.

Google's Pixel smartphones are expected to ship with Android 7.1 Nougat right out of the box, a superior release that should bring a few improvements over the original version released weeks ago. 

The latest hearsay suggests Google will announce the Pixel and Pixel XL on October 4 or around that date. Also, they'll be available for pre-order on the same day as well.

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32 Comments

1. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

That's great.......but about that bottom bezel. Lol, just kidding.....but I find it a bit odd that Google would push the processing envelope rather than sit back. It's not like the 821 is much of an improvement over the 820 anyhow.

2. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

Just wait for the battery benchmarks and you'll realize how big of an improvement this is. If they managed to increase the avg. frequency by 20% on the SAME chip, I'm sure they did a lot of improvements to the manufacturing process and it should be around 30-40% more efficient at the same load. The same happened with 800 to 801. The 801 was basically the same with slightly higher clocks. But the difference in battery life was insane. ^This all is taking into consideration the fact that google will fix the wakelock issues till the nexus phones get released.

3. kiko007

Posts: 7493; Member since: Feb 17, 2016

True, but I was speaking strictly in terms of raw processing power. Then again I could be totally off base, and battery life is probably more important regardless.

16. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

There's some rumors that its cores are symmetric, but with different clocks i.e. 4 "big" cores, but 2 can turbo boost higher (the 8890 also has a turbo boost feature this on the M1 cores) The 820's clusters had different cache sizes (as well as clocks) i.e. 2 "big" cores and 2 "medium" cores If true, it would mean more raw processing power Will be interesting to see the efficiency differences Hopefully its are close to the 801 vs 800

23. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

If the caches are the same size, we can also expect a unified large cache for interconnecting all cores so as to communicate. The cache size is the major reason for Apple processors destroying android SoCs in CPU tests. Kryo has a mere 1.5 MB of L2 cache, 8890 has a 2 MB of L2 and the A9/A10 has a 3MB of L2 cache. Most of the tests in Geekbench can be accommodated inside the cache, and hence the A series processors usually destroy the competition because of their larger cache. The 8890 only turbos with one core. If kyro boosts on two cores, it would be interesting.

28. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Yea, I hope so The 820 was suppose to have a large unified L3 cachehttp://www.anandtech.com/show/9778/qualcomm-snapdragon-820-experience-hmp-kryo-and-demos But it didn't make it into production unfortunatelyhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/9837/snapdragon-820-preview/2 BTW AnandTech/Tom's Hardware believe the Kryo has a 1MB L2 cache (512KB for the lower clocked ones) Although I dont think Qualcomm's comfirmed it There's a rumor that the 821 is actually quite decently more expensive than the 820, hence why less OEMs using it Hopefully that's because got an unified L3 cache (and/or bigger caches) Kryo's L1 cache is also smaller the Apple's or Samsung's Would love to see a higher tier of Android SoCs will bigger caches, wider "big" cores" and GPUs

7. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

Damn you're smart. You're like my Tyrionnthewise... learning new things everyday.

9. Podrick

Posts: 1285; Member since: Aug 19, 2015

He is Tyrionnthewise.

19. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

I thought it was common knowledge by now.

29. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I didnt know, was wondering where you went haha

36. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

LOL hot damn! I rather be surprised than it to be completely obvious, that's how i like it xD. Thx Podrick. #PAisSaved

25. ebilcake

Posts: 1227; Member since: Jul 16, 2016

If you double check the information he posts he's often wrong, users just seem to assume he's correct. ;-)

31. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

Rather than making such a bold claim, why don't you prove me wrong when I am by your 'double checking'.

14. WiZARD7

Posts: 7; Member since: Sep 12, 2016

Even Qualcomm claims only 5% power saving. qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2016/08/31/snapdragon​-821-processor-enhances-performance-power-experien​ces-matter

24. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

It might mean 10% higher performance AND 5% higher efficiency. In that case, I would be correct. It can't be 10% higher performance OR 5% higher efficiency since that just doesn't make sense. 10% higher performance usually consumes about 20-30% higher power if you just overclock it. So if they just have 5% power saving at 820 clocks, that means the new chip consumes 15-25% higher power at peak load compared to 820, which will be just wrong. Let's see what happens. Until I see some testing, I will be on the optimistic side.

30. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Will be interesting to see the real world power usuage difference Since in real world usuage its mostly at peak performance for short bursts So hopefully we see better than 5% improvement in battery life

32. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

OEMs can still underclock and undervolt it to perform to 820 levels and get much higher battery life. Also it should have better standby power consumption because the frequency for standby should be the same. Either way, we should hope for the best. Worst comes to worst, we will have to wait till Q1 2017 for a truly good android SoC.

33. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

True, I wonder if anyone will do that Custom kernels may be interesting to play with for that purpose Thats what meant haha, and should be slightly more efficient at lower and medium clocks too Q1 2017 will be interesting :) SoCs with the A73, A35 and G71 GPU Newer Kryo and Mongoose cores

34. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

I'm more interested in custom GPUs based on Nvidia's pascal like the tegra parker they released a few days ago. Didn't hear much about the A73, A35 and G71 though. Are they announced or are they just speculation?

37. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Oh definitely, nvidia's be killing it recently All announced, but actual products yet The A73 is the successor to the A17 (and temporarily the A72) The A35 is the successor to the A7 The G71 features ARM's new Bifrost Architecture and scales to 32 shader cores Links for more detailshttp://www.anandtech.com/show/10347/arm-cortex-a73-artemis-unveiledhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/10375/arm-unveils-bifrost-and-mali-g71http://www.anandtech.com/show/9769/arm-announces-cortex-a35

38. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

I'm quite worried that they are going to 2-wide from 3-wide design on the A73. I was thinking they are going the opposite way. Also the 10% performance increase over the A72 is extremely mediocre. A35 seems awesome. We don't know much about the G71 though. Let's hope it's good and OEMs incorporate the MP16 design.

39. vincelongman

Posts: 5677; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Its cause its not a proper successor to the A72 Its a successor to the old A17, its supposed to be able to sustain its peak load for long peroidshttps://community.arm.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-6260-80766/Cortex-A73+Maximizes+performance.jpg In a way, its sort of a "medium" size core, not a proper "big" core We'll have to wait to 2018 for the proper A72 successor

40. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

That's what's depressing. We have to wait for 2 years for a proper update whereas Apple is just running away with it with 40% performance increase each generation. I'm just hoping Mongoose M2 and Kryo 2 don't disappoint like their predecessors did.

4. vliang86

Posts: 337; Member since: Oct 05, 2015

But can it beat last year's Apple's A9 chip in life performance? But I'm sure Pixel is way better than Note 7.

35. sarcastic_nerd unregistered

What do you mean real life performance? You can't measure real life performance of two chips on two different OS. There are too many factors to play there. The apps.,kernel, RAM, storage, the phone's thermal design and so on.....

5. Doakie

Posts: 2478; Member since: May 06, 2009

Ugh. Pixel is still such a stupid name for a phone.....

8. Doakie

Posts: 2478; Member since: May 06, 2009

I love HTC, and wish I could've justified spending $200 more for a HTC 10 over a Axon 7. But there really aren't enough benefits to throw that much money in the garbage. And I love Nexus phones because of the quick yet buggy beta software OS updates. But dat name is something I don't think I could get over. Just like I had a very hard time telling anyone I had a Palm Pixi. I called it a Palm Eos which was it's code name during manufacturing. Pixel is just so lame sounding vs Nexus, or Galaxy, or Axon, or Honor....

26. ebilcake

Posts: 1227; Member since: Jul 16, 2016

I don't think Pixel is a bad name, marketed right I think it would do well.

10. Joosty

Posts: 471; Member since: Mar 14, 2013

Excellent. Will buy one.

11. Joosty

Posts: 471; Member since: Mar 14, 2013

Excellent. Will buy one.

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