Google executive Locheimer speaks up about Android

Google executive Locheimer speaks up about Android
With the Nexus 6 selling out at the Google Play Store and Motorola's own web site, Google executive Hiroshi Locheimer recently chatted about the Nexus program and Android 5.0. Talking about the stock Android Nexus handsets, Locheimer says that the program wasn't designed for Google to compete with manufacturers. The idea behind the Nexus program is to test out new versions of Android. Hocheimer says that the goal of the brand was never to take market share away.

He also went on to mention that Android 5.0 is the first build of the operating system that was planned, developed and released all under the leadership of Sundar Pichai. Lollipop includes the new ART Runtime which makes running the UI smoother and more fluid. That includes the animations used with the new Material Design. And the move to 64-bit all combined together to make Android 5.0 a huge release for Google.

And Locheimer also wanted to point out that the reason for introducing Android L at Google I/O this past summer, was to give developers time to make sure that their apps would work on the new build. It was the first time that Google had given an early preview. Some features for Android were re-worked in 5.0. Face Unlock, which first appeared with the Ice Cream Sandwich build of Android, originally required users to align the camera with their face. But to make the process quicker, with Android 5.0 the feature starts looking for your face even before the lighting is set.

Hocheimer has been with Google since 2006. At the time, the Android division consisted of 20 people, and as the executive said, "Things have changed a lot"

source: BusinessInsider



1. EnigmaticPsychotic

Posts: 70; Member since: Nov 26, 2013

God dammit the 2nd can't come fast enough....

8. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

And what happens if the Nexus 6 sells out in less than 5 minutes like it did the first time?

2. realjjj

Posts: 375; Member since: Jan 28, 2014

Yeah more lies from Google desparatelly trying to defend selling out. So this guy is telling us that Moto and HTC have invested in the Nexus but they don't care if it sells. Oh and overnight the Nexus is not the best Android can be,it's developing device. Google used to know better than to treat it's users like idiots, now they are beaving like Apple and M$.

5. Jonathan41

Posts: 532; Member since: Mar 22, 2012

Relax. Google is not "treating it's users like like idiots". The Nexus line was never meant to compete with other manufactures. Google has always been clear about that. This is nothing new.

14. hurrycanger

Posts: 1765; Member since: Dec 01, 2013

Invested in the Nexus? Heck no. If they invested in the Nexus, they would have made more. Remember, HTC and Moto made the Nexus 6 and 9 after all. HTC haven't been in the tablet game lately, but as I've read, they would be in in 2015. Those tabs will be what they wanna sell for real. Motorola also has the Moto Turbo, Maxx, and Moto X to sell. LG had the Optimus G and LG G2 that it wanted to sell. Samsung had the Galaxy S and S2 during the time of the Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus to sell. Did they want the Nexus variant with Google branding to compete with their own phones? Did LG want the Nexus 5 to sell better than the G2? Did Samsung wanna sell more Galaxy Nexus than the Galaxy S2? I think heII no. And what are you talking about? Nexus devices have always been device meant for developing, not overall well made for the general consumers. Especially the Nexus 4 and 5, they were meant to be cheap for their specs, but then again, other corners were cut. Meh cameras, meh speakers, blah blah. Best Android can be? It's a myth. The Nexus 6 may qualify better as a top notch device, but still, you have (or should have) seen how people reacted on the N6's price. A lot of them gave up on it. If you actually thought the Nexus 4 and 5 were meant to be the best android phones, I have to agree with you that Google treated you a user as an idiot. They succeeded. Nothing wrong about you liking the device. It's preference. I think the Nexus 5 was nice, though at the same price, the LG G2 offers much more.

38. pulkit1

Posts: 354; Member since: Jul 03, 2014

the thing is not everyone wants what you want , some prefer pure software over Great camera and vice-versa .

40. maxican16

Posts: 364; Member since: Sep 29, 2011

Just to clarify, the Nexus 5 was much cheaper than the G2. You can't compare the two devices feature for feature without considering that.

17. sip1995

Posts: 1771; Member since: Feb 07, 2014

Agreed...Just like BlackBerry.....For example lets say that Samsung made 10.000 phones sells out in 20 mins and another company like Google that made 4.000 phones, sells out in 5 mins....can you see the difference ?

18. meanestgenius

Posts: 22287; Member since: May 28, 2014

No. What does BlackBerry have to do with this article?

34. g2a5b0e unregistered

Wow. I don't see the correlation at all & by the time he got through his example, I was completely lost. That literally made zero sense.

19. needa

Posts: 205; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

"Oh and overnight the Nexus is not the best Android can be,it's developing device." this is something that someone told you, or you have been reading in between the lines wrong. google has never said anything of the sort. the nexus phones have always been the most overrated hunks of junk on the market. there is no way anyone could possibly consider it the best android can be. the moto nexus though... i hopefully going to change that.


Posts: 146; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

Well the problem is you may not tried to take away but you are and that's a good thing. People want a good software os experience. Samsung,lg,HTC need to do like Motorola and use stock because more regular consumers are catching on that bloatware is bad no ota timely software updates. Its a shame the nexus 4 will be running on 5.0 this week before any of the newer devices.

7. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Samsung and the carrier want to sell you a Galaxy S6 with Android L. Neither Samsung or the carrier really wants to update an older phone. This is what happens when an Android vendor releases a new phone every week like Samsung. There is little value placed on any given phone. It's all just part of a "product portfolio". Samsung gets nothing from the Google Play store, i.e. no additional revenue stream, so they are stuck with making people buy new phones. Just like the carrier. There are reasons why Apple and Google generate massive profits. As people stopped buying new Samsung phones, we saw how quickly their mobile profits declined. For most companies, it's not a good business strategy to be a partner with Google (or Apple or Microsoft).

11. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Samsung updated the sg3 to 4.4; your argument about Samsung not updating the galaxy s is bullsht.

16. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Look at all the Samsung models and you will see that updates are sparse.

20. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

The carriers in the U.S. definitely think like that, though.

25. Settings

Posts: 2943; Member since: Jul 02, 2014

The international version of S3 didn't get official Kitkat, US models only. Your argument is invalid.

29. Scott93274

Posts: 6040; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. If I wanted a uniform OS with no unique options to choose between, I would have gone with Apple. As it stands the current Android ecosystem is filled with diversity from both a hardware and software perspective. Let the OEMs do as they please and their ingenuity will push their product. If you want stock or near stock Android devices... well, you sill have several options. Just don't say that the best thing for Android is for everyone to follow Google/Motorola's lead.

4. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Hiroshi Locheimer = full of crap People want a Nexus because Android has gone off the rails due to the carriers who either never update phones or get around to it in their sweet time. The carriers want to sell you a new phone and contract. They don't want you to keep using your current phone. There is a fundamental conflict of interest that won't be solved by some happy talk from Hiroshi. Google needs to have a Nexus line as there is a distinct part of the market that doesn't want to be screwed by the carriers. For these customers, many of them are stuck with a subpar experience for the life of device. To deny this reality is just lying by omission. The sad state of Android bloatware and lack of updates is one reason people buy an iPhone. It is the only carrier phone that doesn't come loaded with bloatware. For whatever reason, Google thinks lying to their customers and partners is a better approach than telling things as they are.

9. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

And the nexus phones are the only unlocked ones available? No moto g, x, one m8, gs5, Sony phones, one plus, oppo, lg, Asus ones to pick from who sell direct to you?

12. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Nexus phones are the only phones that get timely updates from Google. Many of the other phones you mentioned, even if unlocked, will hardly ever get timely updates as these updates come from the manufacturer, not Google. Some manufacturers are better than others, but the frequency of updates for Android devices in generally is low. Plus pushing someone to get an unlocked device that often doesn't even work properly in their country is just BS.

35. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Um, just about all of them are getting updates. And your last sentence is just, well, whatever.

36. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Here's a list of the Samsung KitKat updates. Note that it is a tiny subset of all the Samsung phones of the past few years. Note that even this short list has some models which have no KitKat availability. This general lack of updates is historically true for every single Android vendor. Maybe Moto is doing better now, but they were absolutely terrible for many years.

13. Jonathan41

Posts: 532; Member since: Mar 22, 2012

What's with the conspiracy theories guys? Locheimer said nothing about carrier updates or bloatware. All he said was that the Nexus is not meant to put Google in competition with other android manufacturers. He even said that they do want it to sale ALONG WITH other android devices. Yes carriers screw around when it comes to timely updates and bloatware on androids but, that's between the manufacturer and carrier not Google. Getting updates as soon as possible has always been a advantage of buying a Nexus but, that's not because Google is trying to take sales away from other android makers.

21. needa

Posts: 205; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

"Hiroshi Locheimer = full of crap" is he really full of crap? or did he just say something that you cannot handle as possibly being true? the nerve of him.

23. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Basically he said next to nothing except some meaningless happy talk about Nexus and competing with Android vendors. He addressed NONE of the issues of why there is so much demand for Nexus phones or why there is a shortage of Nexus 6 phones.

10. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Wish I could quote both posts I want to respond too... No where did I read in that quote in the article that Google is lying to its customers. "We’re not trying to compete with Samsung or HTC or LG. We’re not competing with ourselves. The main reason we do Nexus is to show, internally, for ourselves, without doing it in the abstract. That’s the worst kind of software to build — you kind of throw some software over the fence and hope someone ships it...we work with partners but we really treat these devices as our own during development. And then, yeah, we release it to the public who buys it. And of course we’re happy if a lot of people buy it, but it’s also good for us if they end up buying a Samsung or HTC device. That’s fine too. ........It’s a win win for us. ......We don’t really see it as we’re trying to take share away from someone else."-Hiroshi Locheimer, Google" Pleas re read this again slowly....I separated some parts for emphasis.... Last time I checked, a Nexus device is made by an OEM, not Google. Google's responsible for Android, the software....not the Nexus hardware. Any Nexus device that sells counts in that OEM's sales. Its win - win because its running Android. Whether its a Nexus or Galaxy S or Note or Moto X or etc.. Seeing that article about Facebook and the older Android phones that use it...I think many are putting a lil too much importance on updates, timely updates. I can use my kid's mother as reference...she had a Nexus S...and postponed the update until she couldnt anymore. The only time the PC in our home gets when I do it. Same for phones.

15. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

For one, it's not just updates. Many people are tired of buying a phone with piles of bloatware that is difficult or impossible to remove. Hiroshi is being disingenuous because Google has a recurring revenue stream when someone buys an Android phone, i.e. Google Play income, selling Android user data. The carriers get their massive profits from overcharging for wireless service. But even the carriers want to lock customers into contracts to minimize churn. The device manufacturers get no recurrent revenue. So they need to sell new devices every year. When phones become like PCs and are on a 4-7 year update cycle, we can expect a giant race to the bottom in the Android hardware market. Google execs like Hiroshi can put out as much happy talk as they want. When they don't address the fundamental market realities and the fact that more and more consumers are fed up with Android bloatware... it doesn't mean much.

26. needa

Posts: 205; Member since: Jun 30, 2014

the real issue here is you have no clue as to what those realities are. the bloatware has nothing to do with google. it is up to the customers to make that change with their wallets and voice to the oems and carriers. it baffles me that this isn't obvious to you as android is 'open source'. oems also make money on the back end. data is worth money you know. just as patents and royalties are. they can make their own app stores if they wish. they can provide any services they want, etc etc. get a clue.

27. 0xFFFF

Posts: 3806; Member since: Apr 16, 2014

Samsung was offering a lot of their own services, app store, etc., and it was WIDELY reported in the press that Google came down hard on them for this. Your disingenuous BS doesn't help anything. Are you also going to say that an iPhone's LACK of bloatware has nothing to do with Apple? Google could change the Android license terms, i.e. the Google Play terms, or do a variety of other things to eliminate bloatware.

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