BlackBerry Passport and BlackBerry Classic not selling says Morgan Stanley

11. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

Apple doesn't seem to struggle with doing good sales with that. :p

18. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

Lmao! Indeed.

+1

21. AlikMalix (unregistered)

Apparently you don't know what value means. Don't worry, they will teach u that in highschool.

Basic economics lesson: if it's priced $10,000 and sells well - it's valued/priced correctly. If it's priced at $100 and does not sell it's overvalued/priced incorrectly. And at some instances if the manufacturer cannot manufacture something fast enough to need demand the item is deemed undervalued.

Basic supply and demand are part of basic economics that they teach in middle school... Applied logic is a virtue that you must develop on your own when u grow up. Good luck.

36. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

You just contradicted yourself.

37. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4955; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

Most of the time yes, but there are exceptions. Take the pet rock. It was introduced in 1975 and sold for $3.95 a pop. It reportedly sold around 1.5 million units. Now there is demand, and making demand. Rocks are everywhere, why would you go out and pay $3.95 (which is closer to $17 today) for something that is readily available? Bottled water is another one, it costs more than gasoline in the same quantity and is available from your tap. The moral of the story, never underestimate how stupid people can be.

35. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

Should I prove you wrong or are you ready to put on the dunce cap?

17. tacarat (Posts: 843; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)

Talk to Amazon or Facebook.

8. TechKnowledge (Posts: 55; Member since: 05 May 2013)

Did you omit Microsoft for any particular reason? I'm just curious.

22. AlikMalix (unregistered)

.... Or Apple? I think blackberry is invaluable and we all want our favorite brand to buy it. But I think BB is just having a bad moment. I think they got the brains to get them out of this hole. I'm extremely surprised the "passport" isn't selling well - it's an awesome concept.

45. Dr.Phil (Posts: 2106; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

I'm pretty sure the last company that was sold to Google, Motorola, was picked up for their patents and then thrown away as soon as they could. I wouldn't call that a good thing.

Samsung already has a partnership with Blackberry and I'm willing to place a bet that the upcoming Slider shares some hardware made by Samsung. In return, Blackberry offers Samsung exclusive software content.

70. JaneChenLong (Posts: 374; Member since: 18 Mar 2015)

Actually, that's a good things. The patent got used. If BB bankrupt without being sold to Google or Samsung, the patent will end up in patent troll. But.... I think most of BB useful patent already expired, otherwise BB have a great patent but lousy execution.

13. Alan01 (Posts: 548; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)

Shorts are devious no doubt, but the previous sales of the Passport touted by Chen covered the prior quarter.

Regards,
Alan F.

15. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

It's already been reported by BlackBerry that the bulk of Passport sales were not recognized in the previous quarter. They said they would be reflected in this quarter.

44. Dr.Phil (Posts: 2106; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

@meanestgenius is correct, the majority of sales of the Passport and Classic were not reported in the last quarter. They will go down in record under this quarter. Part of that is because the Classic was released after the quarter ended and the other part is because they didn't have enough supply of the Passport to actually complete the sales so those were unreported.

71. JaneChenLong (Posts: 374; Member since: 18 Mar 2015)

I think we need to wait for 27 March 2015 to know the truth.

My bet is, BB passport got around 100K order, and John Chen bluff it was 200K. By the time they need to write it on the book, they said part of the sale will be put on next quarter, hopping the sales would increase.

But then... in the next quarter... the sales is diving, and because they already put the bluff number in quarter before, and they can't bluff forever, this quarter aint pretty for them.

80. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

I think you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

16. Scott93274 (Posts: 5979; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)

I want to believe that BlackBerry will do well and turn itself around, but in all honesty I just don't see it happening. Without disrespecting the quality of the goods are services that BlackBerry provides, the expectations of the consumer both public and private on what they expect of a smartphone is simply not being meet by the company, weather it OS's GUI, or the hardware itself. And one major truth that Apple can abide by is that branding is imperative, BlackBerry was king in the pre-iPhone era, but that was nearly 8 years ago now.

19. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

You're looking at BlackBerry from a consumer perspective and as a company as dependent on hardware as Apple or HTC. Their software is what is and will carry them through the enterprise market, which is their intended market to begin with.

The same way Apple's brand name is a driving factor in the consumer market is the same way BlackBerry's brand name is in enterprise. Trust me, the numbers quoted by this analyst is pure BS and short covering.

20. Scott93274 (Posts: 5979; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)

You're right, I am looking at it from a consumer perspective, and maybe I'm wrong, in which case you can gloat all you like and I will admit to being short sighted. That being said, it was my honest view on the situation, and it shouldn't be too long before we hear official financial reports from Mr. Chen.

26. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

I won't gloat when it turns out that you're wrong ;)

Seriously, I know it's your honest opinion. You don't even comment on BlackBerry articles all that much, and you never troll them.

I'm looking forward to March 27th when BlackBerry releases it's quarterly earnings report. It's going to be very interesting.

27. Scott93274 (Posts: 5979; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)

lol, I did once, but then you put me in my place.

30. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

Oh, that's right...ah! Water under the bridge, my friend, lol.

52. xq10xa (Posts: 797; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)

The phone doesn't sell. Cell phone accessories sales on eBay and Amazon are good indicators. Look at the ranks. Really low. No one is buying this phone.

53. meanestgenius (Posts: 19584; Member since: 28 May 2014)

Incorrect assumption in BlackBerry's case. Most BlackBerry users by their accessories from CrackBerry, shop.blackberry.com, or other BlackBerry centric sites. Or they're like me, and have their devices "naked".