Apple's filing reveals DOJ investigation of Samsung's use of its FRAND patents
posted by Alan F. / Oct 23, 2012, 11:46 PM
U.S. antitrust regulators have agreed the FTC will focus on Motorola Mobility and the Justice Department will scrutinize Samsung Electronics Co.’s handling of industry-standard patent claims." By making a statement like this on a filing that will stay forever in the public record, Apple takes some of the heat off itself and turns it on Samsung.
Samsung replied by filing a public interest statement on Monday saying that it's request for a 2.4% royalty for its FRAND patents is fair. As pointed out by Florian Mueller, if all holders of SEP ask for 2.4%, no one would make any money selling handsets. And if both Apple (as claimed by Google) and Samsung are both quick to use the courts to force their FRAND rates on companies willing to pay royalties to license these patents, what good is the FRAND structure?
source: FOSSPatents via AndroidAuthority
Posts: 50; Member since: Sep 15, 2012
Will this crap ever end.
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 12:18 AM 7
Only when companies stop violating patents.
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 12:33 AM 0
Should have figured Samsung's patents were FRAND. Just can't go out and sue a company for something that's fair and reasonable.
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 12:34 AM 0
Posts: 963; Member since: Feb 12, 2012
still, if you compare the patents, one has industry essential patents, the other one only has patents that includes shapes resembling my toast in the morning and gesture that is similar to unzipping my pants.. just can't go out and sue a company for something that's so stupid and unreasonable..
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 1:49 AM 6
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Sounds like a desperation move on Apple's part. If you can't get the patents invalidated, get them determined to be subject to FRAND rules. BTW, just because DOJ is investigating, doesn't mean Sammy is guilty. What is that principle - Innocent until proven guilty?
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 1:06 AM 6
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Agreed, I can't see why Sammy would be in trouble over seeking what's only fair for its FRAND patents. I'm sure Apple asked Samsung for more than that for the gallery bounce patent, which has just been invalidated anyway (lol)
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 8:34 PM 0
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the problem which i see here is no one seems to actually know which terms are fair and which are not. Maybe samsung feels that 2.4% is fair but apple does not. This scenario is similar when someone tried to sell me homemade cookies for 10 dollars. She feels it is fair but i certainly don't
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 3:34 AM 2
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Actually Samsung i guess had quoted that others are paying so what's the big deal with apple why can't they pay. On that note the judge wanted all the deal papers between to be tabled and that made M$ and some other company shiver so both started lobbying not to let that happen. This whole patent, licensing and cross licensing deals are more murkier than we all know. I think Reuters was pressing hard for the deal details to be tabled but both M$ and some otehr company were wanting it avoided. No one is a SAINT in all this.
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 3:43 AM 0
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Fair and reasonable would be the same rate others pay. Is that 2.4%? I don't know. But that's the only way a rate can be fair and reasonable. However, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Apple didn't want to pay the same as others. Ironically, if Apple were to price their iPhone fairly and reasonably (with a 20% profit margin), they'd probably pay less than others at the same 2.4% royalty rate.
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 10:16 AM 0
FCK U APPLE AND FCK U ITC HAVE NO RIGHT TO BAN THE COMPETITION. JUST ADMIT YOU'RE SCARED AS FCK. there's no piece as long APPLE pays the court system and judges
posted on Oct 24, 2012, 9:11 PM 1
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