Apple v. Samsung jury asks permission to stay late; is a verdict coming tonight?

Apple v. Samsung jury asks permission to stay late; is a verdict coming tonight?
The  men and two women that make up the jury deciding the outcome of the Apple v. Samsung patent trial have requested an extra hour to deliberate on Friday. Could this mean that the jury is close to reaching a decision? Will we hear a verdict before the weekend? Although that is a possibility, some believe that the request is merely a sign that the jury is having long discussions about the case and that they need the extra time to go through the 40 page jury verdict form that even long time court veterans have described as being complicated.

Put yourself in the shoes of one of the jurors. You sat through 120 minutes of instructions read from 108 pages by Judge Lucy Koh, and now you have 700 individual questions to answer including the decision of which devices infringed upon which patents, how much in damages each side should be awarded, was the infringement intentional, which current products are affected by patent infringements and more. Some courtroom observers say that the size and scope of the jury verdict form guarantees that deliberations will be long.

Apple seeks $2.5 billion to $2.75 billion in damages from Samsung, an amount Apple's legal team said in closing arguments, that is being asked for as a warning to other companies not to infringe on patents belonging to multi-billion dollar companies. Samsung's counter-suit seeks $400 million. Legal experts believe that Samsung's case was the weaker of the two, but believe that the jury might look to split the verdict to give each company a partial victory instead of the chest thumping verdict they each seek.

Speaking of split verdicts, early Friday morning in the States, news came that a three judge panel in South Korea had announced a split verdict in another Apple-Samsung patent trial. While both sides ended up with a little cash, the main part of the verdict was the banning of the Apple iPhone 4S, Apple iPad 2, Samsung Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy S II, Samsung GALAXY Tab and Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1 devices in the country.

source: electronista



1. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

Wonder if there'll be any results before the weekend.

2. CivicSi89

Posts: 349; Member since: Jul 23, 2011

As much as i love Android and Samsung. I fear that Samsung will loose this. Im not saying that they did anything wrong. (in my eye this whole thing is trivial) but I just have a feeling Apple is going to win. And i get sick thinking bout how much gloating will be done if they do.

3. D.Aceveda

Posts: 433; Member since: Jun 30, 2012

Apple, Take a walk.

4. joseg81

Posts: 204; Member since: Jul 15, 2011

apple sounds like the spoiled rich kids here..."we have more money than you do :P so don't mess with us!" it makes it seem like a joke. they should ask for their damages and nothing else.

8. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

thats the same thing that I think when celebrities get to walk instead of doing jail time.

13. joseg81

Posts: 204; Member since: Jul 15, 2011

whatever happened to fair trials? nowadays you can just buy your way out of most anything, well that is if you're apple or hollywood rich lol

15. tedkord

Posts: 17417; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

*cough*OJ and Robert Blake*cough*

5. rusticguy

Posts: 2828; Member since: Aug 11, 2012

If it's a split verdict (which it should be) then Apple could "crib" that US Court copied South Korean Court. It would be interesting to see if the verdict is as "impartial" as South korean Court judgment.

9. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Except that, being sequestered, the jury should have zero knowledge of the South Korean case.

11. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

do they get to go home for the weekend or are they holed up in a hotel all weekend?

12. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Usually juries are stuck in a hotel with no outside contact whatsoever, at least according to my understanding.

21. ardent1

Posts: 2000; Member since: Apr 16, 2011

America is not South Korea (let me add by saying if America did not intervene when North Korea invaded South Korea, the South Korea that we know and love might not have existed -- btw, Vietnam is doing just fine). What makes America great is that we have strong property rights. If American companies want to continue to develop IP, then this is an important case. American companies currently lead the world in technology innovations, and if the American courts do not protect IP, then America would lose its leadership position and the consumers, as a whole, will suffer.

22. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

what makes us weaker is that we have very weak and very broken patent rights. Those greatly interfere with ACTUAL property rights.

6. Hammerfest

Posts: 384; Member since: May 12, 2012

You know no matter the outcome, both will appeal (the loser at least, or loser's if both split). Sadly, due to the way the law is written, and the stupid a$$ people at the patent office, this could very well be Apples win... I have long ago lost any faith in our Government, that definitely includes the Patent Office and Judaical system.

7. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

Sounds like they just want to get the verdict done and over with so they can head the hell out and enjoy their weekend and/or blow off some steam. They're probably tired of armies of vain, condescending lawyers hiding ulterior motives behind legalese in order to make the rich and powerful even richer and more powerful...and generally treating their intelligence as that of children. I mean, seriously, whether or not the jurors are versed electronics they've spent weeks listening to two over-privileged teams argue over rectangles. That sounds like nursery school playground squabbling to me.

10. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

the split verdict in Korea is pretty much what I'd expect to happen here. they both lose more than they gain. The verdict in Korea though hurts apple much more than it hurts samsung since apple's new/main devices are banned, and its banned for hardware reasons... which is much harder to fix. The SGS3 didnt get banned and most of apple's complaints were software based, which could be quickly patched to allow reselling. If samsung was smart, they had people working on design work arounds for the phone already just in case. The one thing the korean trial may do is force apple to the bargaining table without its head up its arse about what its "owed". If samsung wins on the 3G patents in america, they pretty much have apple by the cahones on their own turf if a ban is ensued on the 4s and ipads.

14. master0fursinz

Posts: 104; Member since: Apr 26, 2010

im tired of this case already. i find it silly, apple and samsung should just drop it already. i think back to when mobile phones became a hot item to get and how many of them looked the same. heck at this point who ever created the first bar style and flip style phone should sue everyone else that created it after them just based on "design". even the phone icons of today are based on old designs from basic phones. Green Call icon, red disconnect icon etc... lets move on from this please. i want my quad core phone w/ 4g in the states yesterday.

16. tedkord

Posts: 17417; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Unfortunately, both sides have had ample opportunity to settle. And while I personally think Apple were probably more intransigent, there's plenty of blame for both sides.

17. dcgore

Posts: 234; Member since: Feb 24, 2012

Samsung was just found guilty of all counts, only the galaxy tab got away. I mean honestly, it is denial if people think Samsung didn't copy apple. That said, the Samsung brand really is a good brand.

23. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

a verdict is not always correct. Raise your hand if you think OJ was innocent, Casey anthony didnt kill her daughter, or that Clinton did not get it on in some way/shape/form in the Oval office with Lewinski. Or how about those people that get let go every year from death sentences because the guilt verdict was incorrect? Winning and losing is part how the judge presides, part how the laywers present, and part what type of jury you have. Facts are not always as important as presentation. This verdict proves it as Samsung seemed to have proven prior art/tech against a few of apple's "patents" pretty clearly and yet still lost on those claims.

18. Jay_F

Posts: 236; Member since: Nov 29, 2011

The verdict is already in. Apple wins 1.05 billion.

19. albie1937

Posts: 23; Member since: Feb 05, 2012

This verdict will not sit well overseas since Apple is a US based company. Apple started this mess and it will end up biting them in the ass overseas. Apple has become too arrogant. Microsoft as well.

20. Jay_F

Posts: 236; Member since: Nov 29, 2011

Apple doesn't even have a good market overseas anyways.

24. richardyarrell2011

Posts: 510; Member since: Mar 16, 2011

None of this stops Samsung or any of it's current products that are in circulation. Ie Galaxy S3, Galaxy Note, Galaxy Nexus or and upcoming devices such as the Galaxy Note 2 or New Galaxy Nexus 2. Samsung will be just fine these are the products apple are envy of..

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