With no last second agreement likely, Apple v. Samsung winner will be up to the 9 person jury
posted by Alan F. / Aug 18, 2012, 11:55 PM
Judge Lucy Koh continued to be "pathologically optimistic" that both sides could reach a settlement and if not, she hoped both sides could agree to reduce its claims. The fewer claims that each side makes, the easier time the jury might have reaching a decision. Speaking of the jury, Judge Koh and her staff will be filing a tentative set of final jury instructions on Sunday which will reflect all of the objections both sides have had to the original set of jury instructions. Last weekend, the judge ordered both sides to meet to reach an agreement on the instructions, a process that fell flat on its face and left Judge Koh "disappointed". This week, the judge wants each side to file by 8am Monday, no more than 16 pages of their top 8 high priority objections to the jury instructions. Any further objections will have to wait for a hearing later on Monday.
One disputed point is which chart the jury will use to keep track of those devices manufactured by Samsung that Apple claims infringed on its patents. Apple says its one page chart is easier to read than the 6 page chart devised by Samsung which includes Android model numbers and other info that might not be pertinent to the jury reaching a decision. Each side also filed a proposed jury verdict form. Remember, this is not a criminal trial so the jury does not have to decide beyond a reasonable doubt if one of the parties is guilty. In this case, Apple will need to have proven by a preponderance of the evidence that Samsung is liable. And the same legal yardstick must be applied to Samsung's cross-claims against Apple.
source: Bloomberg, AppleInsider
"Samsung is a major supplier to Apple." hahah see thats where samsung has the upper hand because if apple wins this case with the dirty schemes they have be using, Samsung can easily "cut" the string after that contract is over and find someone else to work with....As im sure there are PLENTY other companies that would like to work with sammy........ HTC, SONY. MOTO MAYBE?
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 12:13 AM 11
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why would samsung get rid of a part of their business because its pride has been hurt? what would that say of samsung as a good business partner? pride over profit? I mean that is pretty much like me as a storeowner denying business to democrats because I am a republican… (just an example)
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 1:38 AM 11
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Samsung has the capacity to manufacture into phones and tablets all the parts that was sold to Apple. It might come to a point where they decide to choke apple just like the way apple punch them in the eyes. Apple CEO vs Samsung CEO. They are human after all. These episodes only show apple partners that they better be on their guard apple will knock your teeth regardless of how important your role may be to their profit margin.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 7:11 AM 3
Dude would you still wanna do business after someone has been calling you a lier, a copier, and other stuff like that? I dont think so........And I can tell you are an apple lover right off the back because saying samsungs "pride" has been hurt is totally......ummm i dont know the word, but Ill just say WRONG! Samsungs "pride" has not been in this case the entire time...It is APPLES pride that has drug samsung to court in the first place....So im not about to get in a huge discussion over this but just know that if this case goes down the way apple wants it too, then samsung better have the guts to do what is necessary, that is IF they cannot find a common ground and continue in their partner ship......and like I said If this case continues the way apple wants it to be (which is being solely led by the very essence of pride) then Samsung most definitely does not need to work with that kind of influence period...
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 3:44 AM 2
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Samsung's components division maintains very good relations with Apple, and at the end of the day, Apple needs Samsung's scale and quality. And Samsung needs Apples cash. At present, China and the US snipe at each other and vie for power influence and control...yet they support each other economically like few other nations on earth. Why? Because they badly need each other. They may not really like it, but that's the way things are. Same here.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 6:38 AM 2
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you guys are all crazy if samsung loses, samsung will still be the supplier they have CONTRACTS. NEITHER side can back out of without paying what would more than likely be a kings ransom. Also, Apple has no choice. Theyve been looking for alternate suppliers and no one else has the capacity free to make iphones at apple's pace. Samsung could just increase exynos supplies and sell them out (once they fix integrated LTE) and make up much if not all of the business they lose from Apple. Ending the venture would hurt them both, but it would hurt apple more... at least on the short term. A constant shortage of iphones would have a huge effect on them. But again, business is not personal. Would you pay.. probably hundreds of millions to billions.. to get out of a MULTI BILLION dollar contract simply because your annoyed with the guy your making things for? If you were Apple would you ditch samsung to "punish" them even though it hurts you much more? You want to cut your nose of to spite your face? Think rationally.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 9:08 AM 10
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if I was in a contract and I was making money absolutely! would you not take a billion dollars from TIm cook because you dont like him? really?? and i am not saying samsungs pride has already been hurt… it WOULD be hurt if they lost to apple.. Samsung is not a stupid company obviously… they would not sacrifice a working relationship over pride
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 2:37 PM 1
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And no one would like to work with Apple?
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 2:41 AM 4
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Whoever said that is plain wrong. This is the business world, not the consumer world. Samsung, apple r both smart enough to know they badly need each other... The courtroom battle won't interfere with that in the least bit. These companies r huge for a reason. Smarts!!!
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 7:00 AM 3
There should be no compromise, Android must keep on attacking until Apple comes to senses.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 4:36 AM 6
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did you know that apple is samsung's biggest client? Their deals in the business is not affected even who wins or loses. Apple will continue to buy components/parts from samsung and samsung will continue to sell them those components. Business is business. If samsung loses this war, then that's their fate, and they should not sacrifice bigger loss by giving up apple.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 8:09 AM 2
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Somethings not right, 9 jurys, I wonder why? Few less!
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 9:06 AM 0
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This isn't the end of it. I honestly believe this trial is really just a practice run for Apple to see if it could go after it's real game: Google.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 12:15 AM 6
dude apple is no good give it up....
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 12:16 AM 6
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Where did I say that I was an Apple fan or supported Apple in any way? I was merely just stating my opinion as to the ulterior motive behind Apple. If anything my comment should've shown to be more Samsung-favored than Apple-favored, if you were to look at it that way. I was saying that Apple isn't using this lawsuit to go after Samsung but rather Google. This is evident in some of the patents Apple has been trying to challenge that go after the software Samsung uses rather than just the hardware. If Apple wins their case on those software patents, then it would be the "boost" they need to go after Google more directly. I am not saying that as an "Apple fan" or an "Apple supporter", but instead I make these comments as an observer as to what I think they are doing. Also, because you brought the subject up, I am actually an Android user. I think you need to read more carefully and use some critical thinking skills before making such comments.
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 1:55 AM 5
" I honestly believe this trial is really just a practice run for Apple to see if it could go after it's real game: Google." This last statement would seem like you are almost ready for this case to end and see what and WHO else apple can conquerer.....it kinda implies an "anticipation" on your part to see what else is going to happen "FOR" apple......thats just the way it came off to me when i read it..
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 3:50 AM 2
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That might be the reason Google is letting there subsidiary Moto go after them. Seems to be turning into a game of sue or be sued. Then again I'm sure this will show consumers how apple is actually using tech that belongs to other companies with out paying while they sue for a crazy lump sum for ridiculous design patents like the rectangle and slide to unlock. I really hope Apple and Google can work this out without litigation. I'm tired of hearing this company did this and this that. I just want to see impressive technology being born.... Self driving cars, and self aware homes, nanotechnology advance os that help fight malware and make security firms look like ancient bussiness models...
posted on Aug 19, 2012, 1:32 PM 0
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