Apple iPhone 6 continues to monopolize smartphone sales in Japan

3. AlikMalix (unregistered)

They arent blinded by unexplained, unnecessary, self inflicting hate toward what is actually quite a great brand and/or toward other people that enjoy Apple Devices....

18. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1614; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)

Holly s**t! I counted 5 BURNS in one sentence. Well done mister!

48. darkkjedii (Posts: 24906; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Well said bro, damn well said. +100 man.

4. cnour (Posts: 1494; Member since: 11 Sep 2014)

They are not smart as you and Android fans.

5. Bertelgeus (banned) (Posts: 126; Member since: 15 Oct 2014)

Most probably YOU are the primitive one.

6. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

I'm pretty sure 32-bit is primitive... Correct me if I'm wrong.

36. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Tell me the benefit of iOS since it went to 64 bit?
Yea, you dont know.

37. cnour (Posts: 1494; Member since: 11 Sep 2014)

One of the most important benefit: increase the inferiority feeling of Android fans, like you.

39. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

inferiority feeling? lol. to what? My high knowledge base vs your low base?

Yea, dont know why that'd make me feel inferior. Besides, if your trying to pretend im a troll, your barking up the wrong tree.

60. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

iOS is optimized for it. All around. It can keep up against the silly quad core and octa core 32-bit processors at a much lower clock speed with only two cores. I'm excited to see Android run on a device that's running a 64-bit processor, but it's pretty sad that we haven't seen one yet. You can't possibly think that Android won't benefit substantially from 64-bit...

63. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

The moment you add customization to something, then it needs to support more stuff, needs to be ready for more stuff, and thus the system becomes heavier, look at how older ios devices now have trouble with newer ios.

As for benchmarks, the results I have found so far, some say iphone 6 plus loses to android phones of similar specs, and before you say 'it has less cores' I want to point out that its gpu is not only 2 cores, but 4 similar to many other mobile gpu's and cpu has probably very little to say in terms of graphic performance, so it is not using 'less' in terms of graphics.

Is the iphone a bad phone? no
are android phones bad? no

Which one fits you? That is entirely up to the individual.

But please stop treating apple's product like it is some sort of super/magical/godlike device, because it is not, it is a good device, just like other smart devices. Apple has been clever in how they explain its strengths, but it is more limited in terms what it can do, and thus also requires less of the cpu.

That said, IOS is not getting any advantages from 64 bit at all, unless operating with insane high integers, cryptography perhaps, or it had more then 3gb of ram.
Most likely 64 bit was done to make it easier for devs, that already are using 64 bit machines now a days, to not have to worry if they did something that exceeded 32 bit limitations. It is even likely they chose to do it as a 'we got there first' since those limitations aren't really hitting smart devices yet.

65. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

You're an idiot. This has nothing to do with iOS devices. This has to do with the processor. And they aren't similarly spec'd. Manufacturers that support Android phones have much faster cores. By A LOT. It is silly having so many cores though. That's the part that's NOT helping anything at the moment. Dual core works perfectly fine in phones at this point. Quad core might become useful someday, so that's fine to be future proof on that. But anymore than that and it's just getting silly. Stop talking about OS's all the f**king time. It's the manufacturer that decides on the processor, not f**king Google. Apple happens to be the manufacturer of both the hardware and software, but this isn't about iOS or iPhones being better. Stop being ignorant. The people who comment on this site are always ignorant and one sided. There's nothing wrong with either! They both have strengths. Stop undermining one strength just because it's a f**king iPhone!

66. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

It is nice how you go all defensive, when I never undermined anything, I pointed out a few things about IOS devices, that holds true.

If IOS requires less power, then it does not need an as powerful processor, that it can run graphics on par with android devices, is because its graphic processor is on par, in terms of numbers of cores and power. If the user interface, can do less, it requires less power to run, and as such a lesser processor will do just fine.

I am not being ignorant by a long shot, as you would see from my post, I am pointing out that neither iphones nor android phones are bad devices, and that it is up to the individual user to decide which fits them best.

I am telling you stuff that is officially available, go look at the specs of the iphone, look up the gpu, rather then start cursing, I never claimed that the iphones are bad, as I clearly stated, I claimed that as IOS gets closer to android in terms of customization, it becomes heavier, older devices cannot run it.

I said apple were clever about explaining its strengths, and that's a good move by apple, it is not anything meant negative, unless clever means that somehow.

And about 64 bit, that is true, no mobile device is going to take advantage of any 64 bit advantage for quite some time, unless we are talking about cryptography or more ram, 64 bit computing is not better then 32 bit unless it is actually using functions that break the 32 bit limit, which just doesn't happen currently on any device other then cryptography, though I could be wrong in which case please inform me of what takes advantage of 64 bit.

So try to relax instead of coming off with knee jerk insults, simply because you want to defend your product, you do not have to, if you enjoy an iphone or ios device, then what need is there to defend it? The statements I made are not negative in nature, but stating facts, and trying to make people react just like you do, feels almost like apple is a religion at times. :(

70. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

Who said I had an iPhone? And why are you talking about the GPU benchmarks? We are talking about the processor... Just the processor scores. And running an OS built on 64-bit is going to make it a lot faster. Which is what iOS did. Android is doing the same thing! I think you are mistaking things. Even on computers there's a speed boost to using 64-bit programs vs 32-bit when it is optimized as such. I think you are ignorant on this fact. There can also be what you have said, but I don't think you know the full scope of it. At all.

71. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

An assumption i made due to your direct jump to insults as seen before by apple and android fans when questioning things.
But yes in geekbench it seems to smoke them. I am however very sceptical about all synthetic benchmarks of late due to all around cheating from all sides.
That the processor is so much more powerfull then other arm processors ( almost always double ) just seems off. Since i have known apple users with apple users complaining about performance on things that if it was double shouldn't exist.
Is apple cheating? Who knows.
Is my experience subjective? Yes
however outside benchmarks that performance claimed does not seem to show itself. Can you link examples?

however most tests outside geekbench can leverage the gpu and all i was pointing out there is that the gpu has as many cores as most android gpus currently. Meaning in the gpu department apple does not do more with less

And no. 64 bit does not make anything a lot faster unless like on computers it can take advantage of it. Like using more ram. This is what speeds up a lot of things on pc's because the various stuff has more ram to use and does not need to get the data from the slow hdd.

Not knowing where you get your info/experience from with 64 bit from. I can only say that by your logic 128 bit or more would be even better which is not true that is not how it works

72. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

Just Google browser performance between 32-bit and 64-bit in relation to hardware acceleration and html5. Google Chrome runs faster on it's 64-bit version. Has nothing to do with expanding your ram past 3 GB... You have very old information. Refresh your info. Old iPhone's are the only one's subjective to slowing down because the new OS uses a new architecture that only runes smoothly on 64-bit. They are working to speed up old devices with every update to accommodate this. All of this information is online.

73. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

I'm a bit unsure what you are referring to, and how you are reading my answer. Since my answer has always been 'if it takes advantage of it' if the program makes use of something that 64 bit can do that 32 bit cannot, that is taking advantage of it, I mention a ram because that is the very basic thing you can explain to people that do not understand how things work, and the way you are coming across is all over the board. So I gave you the simplest version possible.

Google chrome on 64 bit runs faster because it takes advantage of the 64 bit, so what I said applies just fine.
You made it sound as if you took some code and compiled it towards 64 bit, it would be faster if the same code was compiled onto 32 bit (code being equal and does not require or use anything more then 32 bit can provide) which is untrue.

64 bit can do more complicated calculations easier, thus if you make use of that, you can make things run better, which yes, falls under 'taking advantage of it', so I am quite unsure as to how you understood what I wrote.

74. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

What aren't you understanding about an OS that is built for 64-bit? You can easily make an entire operating system run smoother by building on top of that. Not to mention all apps submitted to the App Store have to be 64-bit. You can not release an app anymore that is 32-bit. And what do smartphones run on? Oh yeah! Apps! Including the ones built into the OS! IL2CPP. Look it up. Educate yourself.

75. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

Well considering that iphones before 5s got the IOS 8 update, there is a 32 bit version of it as well since those are not 64 bit phones.

But yes, if you make something for something, then yes naturally it will work smooth. But seeing how older devices that are not 64 bit are still supported I do not believe that app store has to be 64 bit.

So, you are contradicting yourself a bit, since ios 8 will run on 32 bit devices. It would be nice if you would stop being so hostile, as I am not trying to attack or insult you but, trying to understand.

if you make something for 64 bit of course it will work well on it, however that doesn't change that if it doesn't make actual use of the 64 bit advantages, then it doesn't 'need' 64 bit.

76. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

That is why older devices do not work as well, at all. They are extremely slow now. Of course things can be scaled and work for multiple devices. That's not difficult to do when you have a system in place for it. And being an ass is not the same as being hostile. Don't be ignorant.

77. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

Scaled? if IOS 8 was 64 bit exclusive it would not work on the 32 bit devices, meaning the older devices are using 32 bit versions of IOS 8, which, could be made to work just fine, however this means that IOS apps must have a 32 bit version at the very least to work on the older devices, a 64 bit has no real problem running 32 bit, however 32 bit cannot run 64 bit.

However note that there are more features, as I described initially, which makes it demand more, and IOS still does not have the same broad functionality that Android has, and the closer it gets to having it, the slower it gets compared to what it was initially.

Why don't you try being less hostile, which throwing insults is, the 'being an ass' does not change or protect you from your own words.

Please try to understand that I have merely questioned things as they are, in terms of IOS and apple, and informed you of how the 64 bit/32 bit thing works, you can look it up, on a lot of places wikia's article is fairly good.

But anyway, i'm off, try to stop being so hostile and defensive when someone isn't being or saying anything towards you but simply questioning and stating things from their experience and view.

78. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

No s**t... There are multiple versions of many OS's. You act so new to this... I don't think you know what the word "hostile" means. Please look it up. Post the definition if you'd like to look stupid. And Android doesn't have more functionality. It is merely more open source and allows more apps to do whatever they want. That doesn't add anymore function. Just adds another means to an end. And as far as apps goes, it's the developers that are working out the kinks now that they can finally add keyboards if that's what you're referring to. They are getting better and better. The OS hasn't changed towards that. You can't start something new and expect it to be great at first as a developer. Some things work better than others right from the start. And some take time to mend. But a keyboard doesn't add any functionality, it adds customization to personalize your experience the way you want it. I'm not sure what else iOS has added towards customization. Does anyone care about notification widgets? I still wouldn't use an iOS device or Android device without jailbreaking or rooting it. The first thing I would definitely do with an Android device is get rid of all the extra crap, unless you prefer the stock Android devices that are available. Jailbreak has always added an extremely immense array of functionality to an iOS device. There is a tweak for just about anything and all you have to do is plug your device in a computer and run a program that you download. Root is anyone's guess depending on the device. The Android device I had a couple days ago could not be rooted at all. It was a great device though and had stock.

81. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

You really dont know what your talking about Kristo.. wow.

82. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

I really do... I've been to college for software engineering. How about yourself?

83. kristoferallen (Posts: 99; Member since: 23 Jun 2010)

There is a post on it right now on Phone Arena. I guess it hasn't happened yet where they require every app to have 64-bit support, but it is coming in February. A good time for everyone to educate themselves on the matter. Since apparently I don't know what I'm talking about and you need to be told by someone else.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-tells-developers-that-existing-app-updates-will-need-to-be-64-bit-by-June-1st_id63917

16. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3814; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)

You are simply as ignorant as anyone can get. You have zero empathy. Believe it or not, not everyone has the same tastes as you. Get over it.

22. Awalker (Posts: 1689; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)

What does personal phone choice have to do with empathy?

27. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3814; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)

Look up the definition of the word. Empathy is the ability to share or understand the feelings of another. I may not like your phone choice, but I understand why you like it & I don't give you sh*t or be an asshole about it. Make sense now?

31. Awalker (Posts: 1689; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)

Does empathy include the "the ability to share and understand the [murderous] feelings of another"? I think you're using empathy way too broadly here.