Android Lollipop might put an end to easy rooting, decries Chainfire

Android Lollipop might put an end to easy rooting, decries Chainfire
Uh, oh, Google, what have you done? Under the hood, Android 5.0 Lollipop is not like any other release in history, as it does away with Dalvik, and throws us into the era of 64-bit mobile computing. Those desirable changes will bring over some not-so-welcome ones, too, according to the renowned root master Chainfire.

These actually stem from the new security features that Google introduces, in order to fight the snooping powers of government and other assorted threats. The newest Lollipop build, LPX13D, breaks root, but not in the usual, repairable way, as the script required for rooted devices is now barred from running at boot time, but rather unleashed from a SELinux dedicated context - a brand new surprise for all apps and services at initial loading.

This means that the root has to be at the kernel level, and you can't install custom kernel without root. If the bootloader is locked, however, and the manufacturer is reluctant to grant access, as so many are, you are out of luck, my friend. Still, we are pretty optimistic that once the final source code goes through the grind of folks like Chainfire, Google's fresh new protection will succumb to the power of crowdsourced hackery.

source: Chainfire via XDA-Devs

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59 Comments

1. RaKithAPeiRiZ

Posts: 1488; Member since: Dec 29, 2011

Someday Android is going to another walled garden OS like WP and iOS , the lockdown in Android wear is a hint

7. boosook

Posts: 1442; Member since: Nov 19, 2012

Well, that day another more open OS will appear and people will migrate.

29. Ashoaib

Posts: 3260; Member since: Nov 15, 2013

I will be the first to run away from android if it locks down... I already have a bad experience with ios and symbian

33. hemedans

Posts: 746; Member since: Jun 01, 2013

symbian?? for me symbian is more flexible that android

41. Liveitup

Posts: 1798; Member since: Jan 07, 2014

Its going to happen I believe Android has gotten too large, they are basically following the Microsoft one experience trend for that to happen Skins, etc are going to be toned down , just this week apparently OEMs had to shoot down Googles Android silver proposal.

37. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

The masses don't give a sht about "open source". If they did, Jolla would be on top already. Giving the source away for free is just a bonus - and that typically benefits Amazon more than the end user.

11. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

It may,android was an open source OS before it was acquired, now google is controlling it and moving it to a closed source model(Kitkat doesn't even allow you to detect kernel wakelocks by default). Some users think that customization and changing default apps=open source...we can also do them on windows(desktop OS) but that doesn't make it an open source OS.

36. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

You have no clue what you are talking about. Android has never been developed via the community. It always was developed by Google and controlled by them. The kernel and anything else GPL has and always willl be available - its the law.

39. 90ninjas unregistered

Actually, Android was developed by a small team from Android, Inc. in 2003 which was acquired by Google in 2005.

49. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Which does nothing to prove me wrong. Android wasn't community developed - by your own admission it was developed by a team of engineers and never released to the public.

52. 90ninjas unregistered

To be honest, he never stated it was made by the community either.

42. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

Please do some research before commenting.

50. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Please come back with something to prove me wrong - the source of android always has been available and continues to be aside from version 3.0.

51. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

I didn't say its already closed...but it is moving in that direction, Google is controlling android, they are making it the way they want it to be, they are preventing android OEMS from making dual OS devices, they have prevented all the ad block plus from the play store....if you had experience with older versions of android, you would know how easy it was to detect things like kernel wakelocks but now, they are restricting access just like closed source operating systems. A truly open OS doesn't have these problems...and as I have said before, android was not made by Google and under Google, it's not that open anymore. And if they take steps towards making android more difficult to root, it will not be more than a partially open partially closed OS.

2. Rydsmith unregistered

So now I expect the amount of Android phones to run Lollipop by Match to be down to .1% if people are unable to flash it to non Nexus devices.

38. sprockkets

Posts: 1612; Member since: Jan 16, 2012

Nothing in LP stops anyone from flashing it to another phone. The source to do so already is posted. This is to stop root exploits from taking over android phones for better or for worse. If you don't like it, don't buy a phone or tablet without an unlockable bootloader. Simple as that.

3. Felix_Gatto

Posts: 942; Member since: Jul 03, 2013

Off-topic: Does the ART runtime needs more RAM space than Dalvik? If yes, then it is sufficient for low-end smartphone with 512mb RAM to upgrade and run Lollipop?

5. RaKithAPeiRiZ

Posts: 1488; Member since: Dec 29, 2011

yes ,but not in a good way ,minimum is 1GB or maybe 2

13. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

Even the $120 android phones are coming with 1gb ram these days so that should not be a problem...you may be able to run lollipop on phones with 512 mb ram but it's not enough for the apps.

20. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

if you have a phone with 512mb of ram, you need to throw it out and get a new one. You can get a refurbed nexus 4 for less than $150 completely unlocked. There's no excuse to have anything less. The N4 is a beast, even today.

34. TylerGrunter

Posts: 1544; Member since: Feb 16, 2012

RaKithAPeiRiZ obviously has no idea what he talks about. ART is an AOT (ahead of time) runtime environment, while Dalvik is a JIT (Just it Time). JITs always need more memory as the compiler needs to run with the applicaition, also it has a less effective memory managemnt. In other words: anything that can run in Jelly Bean should be able to run Lollipop. So 512 should be OK, but also the bare minimum recommended. A different story is if the OEMs will actualize the phones with so little RAM. The only drawback is disk space and installation times: expect that applications become 10-20% bigger and installation times increase about 20% too.

4. Finalflash

Posts: 4062; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

No code is perfect, they will probably find a way easy enough. But seeing as how Google has opened up so many APIs in the public sphere anyway, root is become less and less useful. Still, always good to have it just in case.

10. Andrew5190

Posts: 55; Member since: Oct 23, 2014

Pretty much how I feel. With the Nexus line coming to Verizon, I'll almost have no need to even root, aside from Titanium Backup (which is probably also broken on Lollipop). I think many people are missing the fact that Google is using root and custom ROMs as an inspiration for the development of AOSP just like Apple uses Jailbreak to inspire iOS features.

14. Finalflash

Posts: 4062; Member since: Jul 23, 2013

In lollipop, during your initial setup it asks you if you want to restore your phone from previous backups on Google servers or another device you have. I am not sure how deep it goes but for me it restored nearly everything except a few apps which store information on the public SD card. So titanium backup might actually be redundant now.

16. Andrew5190

Posts: 55; Member since: Oct 23, 2014

It only restores data that uses cloud backup, like those you mentioned. That's really the only issue I have, but that comes down to app devs, not Google.

26. MartyK

Posts: 1043; Member since: Apr 11, 2012

Yeah, Google pretty much clean me out now on wanted to root. No need for the Note Family, since the Nexus is just as big and have pretty much the same specs...

6. nodes

Posts: 1151; Member since: Mar 06, 2014

Google is becoming more like Apple.

17. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

It would help to actually read the article... "These actually stem from the new security features that Google introduces, in order to fight the snooping powers of government and other assorted threats." So which do you want, more open but less secure, or more closed but more secure...Either way, there is always a GPE device, developer edition.

30. TA700

Posts: 83; Member since: Mar 29, 2013

It's silly to think that the government will be able to snoop any less with these new 'features'.

8. yoavst

Posts: 17; Member since: Jul 29, 2013

Security is good... Root is still possible with flashing... so STFU

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