Wisconsin spending $3.4 million from Microsoft settlement to buy Apple iPads for students
more "engaged" in the classroom instead of getting engaged outside of the classroom. Technology consultant Naomi Harm says her firm has worked with more than 50 school districts in Wisconsin on using the iPad in the classroom.
The state was part of a lawsuit against Microsoft that claimed the company used its monopoly position to hurt the competition. At the time of the suit, which was 1998, those competitors included Netscape. Class Action suits followed and Apple tried to get the claims dismissed in a number of them. At the end of the day, the company paid 17 states to settle the suit.
1. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
"The district of Madison is paying an average price of $479, which includes an educational discount."
Apple really cares about students.
3. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
so true, I know steve jobs hated charity but how hard is it for this company sitting on 90+billion dollars of cash to give a little back.
10. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
You mean only have 90 billion and look at the huge discounts they are giving stusents. They really care.
31. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
what do u want them to do? free ipads for everyone? they are giving the same, fair educational discount they do for every other educational facility… if the school thought apples products were too overpriced for their tastes, they would go buy something else.. obviously they are not
38. biophone (Posts: 1900; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
My point is whats the point of the discount in the first place.
2. speckledapple (Posts: 886; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
My state is buying iPads huh. Guess my children may be using something different.
4. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
iPad for urrghh... Students? I would rather give them something like an Android tablet, which they can use to express their creativity by customizing, hacking, rooting, change ROM, try out new stuff.
5. bigboy029 (Posts: 74; Member since: 03 Jan 2011)
Ya cause that what kids know how to do and care about.... hahahahah
6. thebikerboi2 (Posts: 144; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)
43. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
I'm pretty sure this was sarcasm, and I laughed. Although, if it wasn't sarcasm, I would say this guys kids are going to be pretty badass when they grow up if this is his standards.
7. Leo_MC (Posts: 677; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
That could end up to be lobby for the kids parents to buy them iPad to use at home.
Just like Windows did years ago.
8. JGuinan007 (Posts: 647; Member since: 19 May 2011)
The Ipad is old Apple is selling it off to employees for $250, and ripping off the state selling them for $479!? The State should sue them. Apple should give them Ipad 3, or sell them for $250, or better yet sell them the Ipad 3 for $250 it's for the children and they are the future.
14. deepinsideyourmom (Posts: 10; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)
Yes I couldn't agree more, I mean the audacity of Apple to sell an obsolete tablet for basically full price to our schools while their employees enjoy a huge discount, all Apple cares about is making money which includes screwing over our children. I just want to screw their Moms but you could say that's not relevant. Message to apple how about donating those ipads for free.
41. Paden (Posts: 262; Member since: 07 Jul 2011)
Obselete tablet? I still have the original iPad and it works fine for what I do on it: Web surfing, e-mail, ebooks and some gaming. It even received iOS 5 and will probably get iOS 6 when the time comes. I mean, even the iPhone 3GS got the iOS 5 update.
I doubt these CHILDREN are going to need the highest spec thing out there. They need something that has been widely adopted, is stable and has a large enough ecosystem to provide them with ebooks and educational apps that they need for school.
44. thephoneguy92 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
Yeah but have you ever used a 3GS with iOS 5? I have plenty of customers trading them in for iPhone 4/4S's and it is the slowest thing ever. Takes me ten minutes just to get into about to get the Model #. Just because it can, doesn't mean it should.
32. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
if the state of Wisconsin is that stupid to check apples product page then we seriously have a problem… somehow i doubt they are buying them for that amount-- its probably the ipad 2
9. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The iPad in the picture looks like an iPad 1!? If the iPad 1 is being unloaded for an average price of $479, Apple is really f*cking them over. But then again, you don't build up a $90+ billion pile of cash without f*cking someone over.
11. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Okay, I am hoping it is just a stock picture, and that as is usually the case a State Government is just referring to an iPad 2 as an iPad due to them releasing generic responses on press releases. Doesn't hurt to hope, right?
13. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Oh, the irony. As Microsoft uses millions upon millions from Android makers to push it's profits, someone else is using their millions to push Apple, and in a market that Microsoft is hoping to bust into, tablets that power education.
15. 14545 (Posts: 1209; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Wow, this has to be the most idiotic statement I have ever seen made.
No one in their right mind would believe that a TABLET, ANY TABLET NOT JUST APPLE's, would be more productive in the classroom. I type about 50 WPM but I can't manage 15-20 on my tablet. Laptops are a much more productive tool than an ipad, or any other tablet will ever be. The only +1 that tab's have going for them is that they can act as ereaders for text books and such.
23. Slammer (Posts: 1283; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
----" The only +1 that tab's have going for them is that they can act as ereaders for text books and such."----
That is why I support a lower priced tablet such as the Kindle Fire or Nook Color. More than half the price and open platform. Cheaper to replace and the basis of these two choices is:
Books and reading, with access to internet. Why should tax payers have to front the dollars for something more expensive that the two less expensive alternatives can meet the requirements?
16. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
I think I am done with phone arena. PA has too many haters for me. It is a great site love the set up but the comments grinds my gears.
17. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
what your saying is that you have a blind devotion to a company that doesn't care about you, and you can't stand a difference of opinion. shallow minds don't make for deep thought.
as far as the pictures go, I'm sure its just a stock photo the writer found. apple wouldn't dare rip off our kids. they may be OK with Chinese enslavement, but these are American kids. they wouldn't do that.. right!? lol
20. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Kids dont have money to buy anything so what are you talking about? This is your problem remixfag you don't know s**t and just write hate because you either cant afford Apple products or you started on another product first. I can respect either. I have never had a problem with any Apple product I have ever bought. Every other electronic i have got from other companies consistantly let me down and fail or dont last for any period of time.
So what it cost a little extra? I still have my first G4 Apple MacBook and just handed it down to my baby sister and that thing is still out performing brand new PCs that some of my friends have.
When you get some money and move out on your own try Apple again and stop looking for a hand out from Apple once again like I say all the time Apple is a business and are not here to give s**t away from free weather its for Kids, old people or combat vets like myself.
P.S. I am done acknowledging you Remixma. I'm staying on PA just dont talk my way.
21. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
"I think I'm done with phone arena"
Please go. Your post has nothing to do with remix's post and then you personally attack him calling him a fag and broke.
Just because you're obsessed with apple doesn't mean the rest of us can't criticize apple for offering such a "generous discount" of 20$ fuking dollars to a school district.
In case you didn't know most school districts are running out of money, so maybe just maybe a company sitting on piles of money could do something nice for the public for once.
25. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Like our own government right?
22. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
instead of being insulting and petulent, try holding a conversation. your rabbid silly insults show your mindset.
in a time when teachers a getting fired and using their own paychecks to buy classroom supplies, this seems like an unnecessary expence... and an expencive one at that. teachers unions are begging for billions more to "pay teachers" and are spending it on frivilous crap instead.
get your head of your ass and have an educated opinion, not just one of a blind pissy ifanatic.
34. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
are u kiding me? teachers get paid way more than they deserve.. why cant new teachers get jobs? because old ones who suck at teaching are locked in on tenure.. its a corrupt and disgusting system where teachers are rated on how long they work not how good they are… i would have no problem paying teachers what they get right now if most of the money didnt go to pensions and other things that bankrupt our government… i cant talk for other states but california has some serious educational issues… LA has the highest paid teachers yet they have something like 60% dropout rate… and u want them to not have to use their own money to help students? so instead of paying for technology that would further students education, u want to pay for pensions that do nothing but bankrupt the government?
35. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, u need to look further into the education game. state and federal governments pull billions a year in taxes. All the teacher's salaries in the US wouldnt equal a billion dollars. The NEA.. aka the teacher's union, skims billions off the top and it dissapears. Why do superintendants get paid 250k a year and more?
Thats not the teacher's fault. And no, I dont think they should have to pay for classroom supplies. Where do you work? If you worked at a grocery store as a check out clerk, should u have to buy a register to use or should it be provided? If you worked at tire kingdom, should you have to buy your own car lift? Thats rediculous.
Besides, you obviously dont read too many of my posts. I'm very much for serious reform and disabling of these huge unions that are strangling us and then begging for more with the "big blue eyed puppy" look. Tenor, which is what keeps crappy teachers around, is a union gimmick. its horrible. If they privatized education and made competition between schools, our education system would turn around instantly.
But that is a different conversation. In this conversation, someone should justify spending 450 on a tablet that does nothing more than a 200 tablet. And not even that.. justifying the expense period. That money could have went to hiring another teacher or buying classroom supplies.
Teachers get paid OK for the most part, but not great. And its certainly not enough to justify having to spend 15% of your own money on class supplies every year.
37. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
if i worked at a grocery store, i would not be receiving a pension either… i personally do not think the teachers should be allowed to use unions and other devices in order to secure pensions that pay them their salary until they die for doing absolutely nothing… if u wanna get rid of pensions then absolutely, let the teachers not pay for their supplies
if i misinterpreted u, then i apologize because i fully agree with ur second point.. and ya privatizing education would be nice, but it would never ever ever happen… it is fine with the half privatized sector right now, but the public sector just needs a large amount of reform
i dont think any teacher spends 15 % if their paycheck on supplies… at least up to high school (not to sure about college, but thats mostly privatized anyways)… the way i see apple as being justified is that it is easier.. no there is no way to justify it completely, but teachers want easy, and apple certainly delivers on that.. connecting android devices and upgrading and getting textbooks and all the maintenance would be spotty at best, (i say that because we are talking about an education system that cant even handle itself)…
40. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
my mother-in-law is a teacher. Here in FL that is the reality of the situation. She spends a fat chunk of her check on the basics like pencils, paper, reading materials, and all sorts of stuff.
If you think CA is bad, then u should come here.
I dont have an issue with pensions per say. They have been around for a long long time. I dont think it should be 100% of your final paycheck either. But they are not the only ones to get a pension. Police and nearly all government workers and union people in large corporations like GM get pensions. How much of a policeman's salary should be spent on his on gear? Should he have to buy his own bullet proof vests and bullets?
Putting them on the private 401K system like the rest of us would be ideal, but just like privatizing the education system.. its not going to happen. There are too many hands in the cookie jar to let us throw it away.
45. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well florida is not a bankrupt state because of pensions…
oh beleive me if i were running the gov none of the state workers would be getting pensions… all they do is tax the system and encourage people to not work… pensions are practically nonexistent in the (non-bankrupt) private sector… ya who wudnt want a pension.. but california is far from being able to afford it… its just like AA, the people didnt want to give up their benefits, so the company ran out of money and lookie they dont get the benefits anyways… if only the gov could follow examples of private companies…
and no they should not have to pay for them, but then they should take the cut on pensions as well
24. Slammer (Posts: 1283; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
---" So what it cost a little extra?"---
As a tax payer that has to vote on budgets every year, I'm not willing to approve a higher priced product when tablets half the cost could meet the requirements.
You may like Apple, I may like Apple, but that is where it should be left. Personal choice for personal use. But when purchasing out of public funding, I think we need to think economic.... Yes?
18. Slammer (Posts: 1283; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
Good thing that this money wasn't tax payer funds or there could be some serious issues. There are many reasons why businesses and schools veered from Apple over the years. A far less expensive tablet would be a better alternative for scholastic and business enterprise. More customizable, open, and cheaper to replace if accidently broken. I certainly don't want to be fighting the town's budget every year for high priced tablets. As it stands, the districts get far better price index on Windows PCs. Society really needs to start separating business needs from from personal pleasure.
19. 14545 (Posts: 1209; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Exactly. I find it ironic, too, that they paid nearly 500 dollars for a tablet from apple with money they won from MS over supposed "overcharging" by redmond. They are extremely lucky that is not a place that I live or their politicians would be in for a rude awakening.
26. krazdjokr26 (unregistered)
yeah, PhoneArena... i believe i've worn out my welcome here...lol like someone said earlier this site is full of people that feel like they are sharing their opinions but its all intellectual HATE lol calm down people!!! if the post said Android instead of Apple selling tablets it would only be about 2 or 3 comments at best... smh... i'm sure i'm gonna get thumbed down or some person who likes android is gonna give me a sarcastic reply but its ok... guess what? i threw my android phone in the garbage friday january 27th right after i purchased my iphone 4s... lol i use to be apart of the "apple sucks" bandwagon truth is the iOS software is AWESOME... sure i gave up customization, widgets, live wallpapers, SD memory etc... but this phone does everything short to flawless that i needed my android phone to do... not to mention my choice to purchase the ipad 2 as well... one of the greatest tablets on the market now. so what the ecosystem is closed... who cares except for tech geeks? we only populate less than 2% of the consumers of these devices.
android people on here make android look bad and sound like cry babies every time some apple news comes out...
i'll be back here to see those well written reviews on the ipad 3 and the iphone 5 whenever they release...
great site PhoneArena but not so great social traffic...
27. Slammer (Posts: 1283; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
----" iOS software is AWESOME... sure i gave up customization, widgets, live wallpapers, SD memory etc."----
Why do individuals have this mentality when it comes to public funding? I'm not going to claim I love Apple or Android.
I want what can get the job done at least tax payer expense. What about Kindle Fires or Nook Colors? Half the price and they are based on books and reading. And with the ability to browse the web, I can assure you, they can attain the necassary requirments needed by the scholastic enterprise while saving money for us tax payers.
Setting this aside, I'm not completely satisfied with Apple's claimed interest in education. Based on the price point of this iPad offering, it seems to me they're more interested in boosting their ridiculously high profit margin even further without thinking about what is affordable for most students or tax payers.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its not about apple. its about 450 per tablet. And as Vorsayo just pointed out below me, the math doesnt add up. They are skimming and blowing money that is supposed to be for the children's education. Get your head of out of your butt and pay attention.
42. Pdubb (Posts: 239; Member since: 08 Aug 2011)
Isn't it ironic that Apple(a closed system) benefits from MS being sued for being a semi closed system. I wonder if MS had used the market or app store method way back when would it have been considered a monopoly?! I am not a fanboy of any system. Almost all devices are the same price now so expense is not much of a factor. It really is preference, but school systems should consider price and other factors.
28. pongkie (Posts: 508; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
looks like the capital of Wisconsin has its eyes on apples huge pile of money. looks like they are going to play the same thing as they did to MS.
29. Croxy (Posts: 55; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
It's too early to mass enter the education with tablets. IMO we should wait for windows 8 slates, they look pretty awesome with physical keyboars, plus everyone is used to use windows in education...
30. Vorsayo (Posts: 21; Member since: 29 Jan 2012)
umm where did who ever wrote this or the state of Wisconsin school board lean math.
3.4 million dollars spent on iPads
at a cost of 479 a piece
this only equals $670,600???
I see three reasons this might have happened
1. they paid $2428 per iPad
2. Someone stole money from the settlement hopping now one would notice $2,729,400 was missing
3. there is an clerical error.
33. handicrapguy (Posts: 30; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
No idea, maybe the rest is going towards extended warranties, educational software for the ipads, protective cases and other accessories. Still seems like it would fall short of 2.4k per ipad.