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1. GoBears (Posts: 401; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
They wanted the war with Android and now they got it. Too bad they are losing it. I love googling aapl and seeing the steady decline since Cook started calling the shots. Also at their new stock price, they are no longer the "most valuable" company.
6. Hemlocke (unregistered)
You are funny.
Let's ask Motorola, HTC, and Google (Yes, Google) how that war is really going. Motorola is one step away from being worth less than a Starbuck's gift card, HTC is a rowboat with multiple leaks, and Google is now trying to wrest Android back from Samsung by stepping up the Nexus program. The only company really benefiting from Android is Samsung, and at the rate their brand recognition is growing, and the rate at which they are building their own ecosystem, it won't be long before they plop their TouchWiz skin on Tizen and head out on their own.
7. joey_sfb (Posts: 3704; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
I don't mind if Tizen ecosystem is the same as Android econsystem, hundreds of thousand of apps and great maps, emails, clouds services.
Tizen is open source and with enough developer support could be a viable choice.
But the fact is Android is currently the one with the best ecosystem apart from iOS.
I personally prefer Android over iOS for now.
Apple sucks balls !@@!
9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...and Google is now trying to wrest Android back from Samsung by stepping up the Nexus program."
Do you even know what you are talking?
12. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Dude
Motorola was worth less than Starbucks .... They have been loosing money since the RAZR (not to be confused with droid RAZR)
HTC!? Seriously? You knew what HTC was 5 years ago...? Yeah neither the rest of the world
Google is being working with blunt knifes and yet they manage to get 20% profit compared with 24% from apple that's not so much to be jealous about....
So far moto and Google are doing fairly good with their "war" being MS their only big pain... Also Google itself has yet to be sued and apple is been loosing patents from USPO
14. rd311 (Posts: 10; Member since: 08 May 2010)
Protozeloz,
Why should I listen to someone that doesn't even know the history of HTC or Google??
Htc made the original nexus in 2010 and were very successful for several years. They have recently got in trouble financially. As of late they have dug their self out of a hole with the release of the Droid DNA and HTC 8X!!
Motorola has been in financial trouble for years. Google bought them for patents and patents only!! And as of late Google has been laying off more and more Motorola employees.
19. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Dude? You actually read what I said? HTC made the original nexus? HTC made the G1 if you want to go somewhere, but that's not the point, HTC is not a well known brand.... It is known now because of android
Motorola was bought for patents yet Google keeps holding into it, they will work things out and you will see a much better Motorola on the future.... Nokia fired a lot of people, RIM fired a lot of people.... Apple itself had times where it fired a lot of people, things happen when a period of change comes...
24. rd311 (Posts: 10; Member since: 08 May 2010)
DUDE,
Maybe I just can't read or you can't read. I have read your original post again and again. I still don't see where it says HTC made the original G1.
Maybe some one else can see in your original post and tell me where it says that?
Need to get your story straight!!
33. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
What I meant is that a nexus means nothing, in fact the original nexus was not that successful. Yeah it was a good phone and all but every other nexus was more appealing to the consumer
HTC has some big issues
They refuse to simply their skin, not only their skin is full of hideous inconsistencies but they are the ones that go completely astray when it comes down to android design guidelines
They keep having the worse battery life of all android devices
They lack and actually good commercial campaign
what I meant with what I said that compared with the others HTC is the least known brand of all the android top dogs, and they make a lot of errors, making a nexus has no actual meaning because they built the first android device anyway... For Google it was the company to trust then they changed the way the nexus program works and have never chosen HTC ever again...
25. predator93 (Posts: 122; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
To be honest HTC got popular during 'windows mobile' era , they made bigger success with android.
27. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I was thinnking the same thing....the HD2? That Win Mo phone was also the start of the big phone craze. It just got more popular with the Droid X and EVO.
Sense UI also got its start there..
32. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Actually HTC has been nearly the only one making windows mobile smarphones
35. Aeires (unregistered)
Motorola was in trouble before Android, HTC was a nobody, now recognized because of Android, and Google is trying to rest control from the carriers, not Samsung.
You are not funny, even though your post was a joke.
16. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1313; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
I'm right with you. My stock App points directly to Apple and this was the best week to see Apple suffer even with pretty good numbers. Tim Cook is a nobody and he is only good at modifying gadgets that Steve Jobs created.
This should shake Apples foundation and force them to release better product at competitive pricing. No one wants to buy over priced computers or stupid "S" models.
18. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
What??? Seriously dude, stop talking fanboy BS.
google stock is so over-valued it isn't funny. What we've seen over the last few months is nothing more than co-ordinated price manipulation between hedge funds, brokers, and media outlets. As usual the SEC has done squat to prevent it.
39. -box- (Posts: 3932; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
AAPL should be valued under $100. It is a bubble that has swollen, is deflating, and likely to pop.
20. AppLE.R0yally. (banned) (Posts: 6; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
Apple still remains at $450+ which still they are the most ubiquitous, and way much reserves are elsewhere, so this is nothing for Apple!
We are all behind you Apple! iPhone5 will outsell the 4s sales....!
We like that™
38. -box- (Posts: 3932; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
$439 and falling isn't $450.
IFail5stretchPadmini won't save apple
2. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Something I don't think I've seen (then again, I admit to not really looking into it) is the volume of AAPL trading. The stock price has gotten a black eye, but is the volume of movement of APPL up? Down? Steady?
One of the biggest things to me about AAPL is that I think Apple has only paid out dividends twice in 18 years (IIRC). So, until you've sold your investment, you're not actually seeing any profit from it. Is it possible that there are people simply cashing out before the value dips below their initial investment, which then instigates others doing the same as the value slides lower? Cashing out is the only way to profit from APPL after all.
If that's the case then I'd expect the value to stabilize somewhere around the value where the majority of people paid for the stock. The people that bought in at the mid range and low range will hold on to it waiting for it to rise again as stocks tend to rise and fall. All the people dumping it now are probably those that bought in recently after the stock started skyrocketing not realizing it couldn't last forever, or didn't realize there were no dividends.
I think paying out dividends could increase the perceived value of the stock in people's minds.
(Sorry for rambling people. I need so much more coffee today.)
3. faisolbauuz (Posts: 121; Member since: 05 Jan 2013)
Well anything goes up goes down thats it
4. amiaq (Posts: 503; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
All these over hype, denials, false and exaggerating testimonial regarding Apple products satisfactions which has been pushing the market up. Once truth set it, facts become apparent, alternatives becoming obvious, what else left? It is "dot com" bubble crash all over again.
5. Hemlocke (unregistered)
The fact is, AAPL is severely undervalued. With a P/E below 10 (Google's is a 23+, MSFT's is a 15, and Amazon's is 3,380) and good cash flow, this is nothing more than manipulation. The dot.com bubble was built on companies with no assets, no cash flow, and no prospects of either. Apple is the healthiest company on the planet.
8. amiaq (Posts: 503; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
Yeah, the fact that Apple's foundation is strong might be the reason it hasn't crash as bad. However my view is the fundamental reasons of its decline is similar to dot com.
10. Caralho (Posts: 119; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)
Wait, let me check my crystal balls...lol
The beginning of the end for Apple!!!
11. Joker (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
I can see it too:
Apple stock dropped another 20% after the announcement of the next iPhone & iPad
15. TBomb (Posts: 250; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
I just think that the apple ahh-factor has lost its momentum. they're not changing anything major anymore. Just makign different sized iphones and calling it an ipad or ipod after they take away the phone ability. My personal opinion.
22. cheetah2k (Posts: 933; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
Apple was warned not to follow the RIM business model, but underneath all the denials, they've gone down that path.
Apple will end up like RIM -> small and irrelevant.. Its only a matter of time.
13. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6878; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
PUT A VOODOO curse on Apple so it's stock can fall
17. darkkjedii (Posts: 13803; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Shhhhhhhhhh. No wack statements please
21. AppLE.R0yally. (banned) (Posts: 6; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
We see you are jealous! Apple already has VOODOO'S, and Litigates,
We like that™
23. cheetah2k (Posts: 933; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
Apple stock will be sub $400 in a few weeks. The bubble has burst!
40. -box- (Posts: 3932; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I give it days or just over a week.
26. rd311 (Posts: 10; Member since: 08 May 2010)
Why would you want Apple to fail??? They are a American company!! HTC, Samsung and LG are all foreign companies. A lot of people have lost touch!!
Competition is good for consumers like us. Drives technology through the roof and we as consumers will come out ahead.
Remember when the original iPhone came out. Every phone company wanted to come with some thing better than the iPhone. It set a standard for all phones.
Since then companies have actually caught up to the iPhone. It is apples turn to push the technology envelope a little further and it will be very interesting to see what happens over the next few months with all cell phone technology!!!
28. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Apple is an American company....but it seems like Apple lives in its own lil world....
As for supporting American companies...some of the more reliable cars that arent expensive are Nissans and Toyotas. I support whats works well....not if it just American. I dont think I will ever get a Ford or Cadillac or Buick again.
Agree with everything else you said.
29. jroc74 (Posts: 5201; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I left out Hondas too for reliable and arent too expensive. Another non American company.
36. ZayZay (Posts: 567; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
I usually would support such a statement for helping the American company but c'mon, they won't pay factory workers in AMERICA to make the product ie overseas jobs. They hold most of their money outside of the US so they don't have to pay nearly as much taxes as they should... So why would we feel bad for helping a company that won't even help the country they are from?
42. rd311 (Posts: 10; Member since: 08 May 2010)
ZayZay,
Look up what your beloved company Google did with 10 Billion dollars before the first of the year. They moved that amount of money to an off shore account in the Cayman Islands. Why you ask, because they didn't want to pay taxes on it.
Every large company either does the same thing, moves to Mexico or overseas to avoid being taxed in America.
As for American made, look at Walmart for example!! 15 years ago Walmart flew flags on the outside of their stores that read "made in USA". Go to Walmart now and see if u can find any thing that is not made in china or overseas. Last I looked Walmart is still one of the largest companies in the world!!!
41. -box- (Posts: 3932; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
It may be an American company, but they don't pay taxes, they don't have any significant manufacturing here (ONE small mac line in the future is insignificant), and they don't employ that many American employees directly (most of their sales comes from third parties and online).
Were they to a) move ALL product lines back to the U.S. (or at least North America), b) stop their BS litigations, c) lower their products' prices by 25-50%, d) adopt universal standards instead of making their own proprietary crud, e) lose favor with the stupid hipster coffee-shop residents, I might start to be ambivalent about them rather than openly repulsed by and against them. Inused to like them l, pre-Windows 95, and owned quite a few.
30. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Let's see if this can slide down to sub 300 level. Possible if vendors at Chinese assembly joints want 15% hike for not employing kids and be in profit ... foxcon already reported a loss i guess so not a good sign for those who use their services..
34. SIGPRO (Posts: 579; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
Apple is dying....that's good because they are a bunch of hypocrites!
37. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Apple will be around for many years to come.. Voodoo and all the bad wishe for Apple to fail may come true one day,,,, but is not going to be any time soon
43. TritonForceX (Posts: 60; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
The major thing the iPhone 5 was missing compared to all the previous iPhone releases (I'm not talking hardware or software upgrades, if you can call them upgrades) is hype. Like that Samsung ad where everyone's standing outside speculating what's going to be included, everyone always got caught up in the secrecy and strategic press leaks that blew everything up in their minds to make Steve Jobs God, and apparently Apple Heaven. If SJ had introduced the iPhone 5, we wouldn't be having near as many complaints about it. He dodged AntennaGate, and would've done his "magic" on downplaying iPhone 5 problems to keep everyone upbeat about how "awesome" it is.
Tim Cook basically released all the information, had a lackluster unveil, and everyone's not entranced by the show now and are asking, "What the hell did we just spend our kid's college fund on?" Now that there's no ring-leader to direct the Apple cult's attention, all the fanboys are trying to take up the slack, and it's turning into chaos (e.g. some of the arguments that get started on these boards, for instance).
But stockholders are a part of this "cult" group as well. They're not entranced by the "new, larger screen" and "faster processor", etc., and even though it still may be an okay product, it doesn't have the OMFG luster it used to have.
To put it another way, I remember old Steve Martin standup routines where he's standing on stage with the fake arrow in his head. He talked and talked and talked, and the audience was very into the show and laughed at all the jokes. But when you really analyzed what he was saying, he didn't say one damn thing the whole show! He was just skilled enough to package everything to make it enjoyable, but the product he was giving out was just nonsense. That's the same effect I'm trying to say SJ had, but TC doesn't, and is what's responsible for the stock shake-up and unhappiness with them.
I don't think we're seeing the absolute "fall" of Apple, I just think it's returning from it's over-hyped, over-inflated ego and will rest among the sea of HTC, Motorola, Win8, Android, etc. They'll be a company that makes a solid product that has it's own apparent pros and cons, and won't be THE company with THE product that makes all other companies' attempts at competing with them futile, like it should've been from the get-go.
44. Caralho (Posts: 119; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)
Well put, man. Apple without Jobs is akin to Venezuela without Chavez... After all, what is a dictatorship without its evil genious of a mastermind? The second best "Dear Leader" lacks all the enthusiasm and carisma.
