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Though flattered, NVIDIA wants Apple to prove speed claim made during The new iPad's introduction

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Though flattered, NVIDIA wants Apple to prove speed claim made during The new iPad's introduction
During Wednesday's introduction of The new iPad, Apple was talking about the A5X processor on board, which comes with a quad-core graphics processing unit. Tim Cook said that the processor offers four times the performance of a NVIDIA Tegra 3 processor. Wednesday evening, NVIDIA released a statement from Ken Brown that said that because it didn't have the benchmark criteria used by Apple to come up with that claim, it was in no position to verify it. Brown's comments suggest that Apple might have handpicked certain apps to come up with that figure.

Can Apple prove that this is 4 times faster than the Tegra 3?

Can Apple prove that this is 4 times faster than the Tegra 3?

Brown did say that it was flattering to have been pointed out during the event, but he said that NVIDIA has some issues it needs to discuss with Apple. Still, there is some evidence that tends to back Apple's claims. In benchmark tests, the Apple iPad 2 (aka The old iPad) with a dual-core CPU and GPU outperformed the Asus Transformer Prime, an Android tablet using the quad-core Tegra 3 processor. Even though the Android 4.0 update might have sped up the Transformer Prime a bit, it most likely would still trail The new iPad's quad-core graphics processor and faster dual-core base.

The real challenge for Apple may come later in the Spring when the Samsung Exynos 5250 starts shipping with its ARM-Cortex A15 build and new graphics capabilities.

Will Apple hand over the actual benchmark tests that confirm the statement, and if not, will NVIDIA keep the pressure on Apple to discuss the comment? It is the type of delicate situation that could backfire for all involved. If Apple fails to prove the statement, it will look as if the tech titan handpicked the apps that ran during the benchmark testing to clinch a specific result. And if Apple does come up with proof that the A5X is as fast as claimed, it will hurt NVIDIA and those devices using the Tegra 3 that compete with Apple.

source: electronista

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posted on 07 Mar 2012, 22:51 7

1. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


This will be quite the show. I'm really wondering what the clock speed is on the A5X. Has apple even officially announced that or are we all going by rumored numbers?

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 06:58 1

19. danwatson (Posts: 102; Member since: 03 Jan 2012)


I believe it is the same dual core as is in the A5...the only thing updated was the graphics hence the A5X instead of A6. Graphics were probably upgraded because of the resolution but the processor was already fast

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 09:26

24. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


Yeah I thought s too but the comment about needing more power might allude.to a higher clock speed. Either way, point is we don't. Which is why I ask.

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 23:02 7

2. cheetah2k (Posts: 816; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


I think there could be a Deformation case in the works by Nvidia. If Apple are smart, they should substantiate their claims asap.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 00:22 8

7. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


defamation you mean. i think it is technically libel because it was projected on a screen and was typed into a document.

the a5x does have much better graphics than the tegra 3, but apple should have shown some proof, or a reference or footnote. something.

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 23:16 27

3. frydaexiii (Posts: 1231; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


Does it really matter? iOS still can't do what Androids can...Even if it ran 100x faster than the Tegra-3, iOS still can't browse the "full web" with flash, still can't do simple personalisation and still don't have real multi-tasking/task manager.

It's like bragging you live in a 4 storey house with over 10 rooms, but you only live on one floor and use one room while the other 3 floors and 9 rooms remain untouched.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 00:37 8

9. Dr.Phil (Posts: 909; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I agree with everything but the Flash part. Adobe seems to be moving away from mobile Flash support and the internet itself is moving away from Flash to HTML 5. So, that's going to be the real test of which platform is better at HTML 5.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 02:11 6

13. SlimSoulja86 (Posts: 642; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


DrPhil ur talking about the future, and we live in the present. It kinda sucks when u have to watch flash supported videos on my iPhone or iPad, and I end up using my pc

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 02:18

15. Dr.Phil (Posts: 909; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


Well yeah it is the future, but it's also the more upcoming future. I mean Adobe just stated in the past few months that they weren't going to support anything past I believe Android 4.0. That's part of the reason the Galaxy Nexus didn't have Flash initially because Adobe was putting a stop to it but then said that Android 4.0 would be it. So, if Android 5.0 is coming out this year then you are talking about HTML 5 support being the big thing.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 10:28

25. Dark4o90 (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)


don't count on that flash will be in the mobile devices for looong time
maybe in 10 years html5 will replace flash but MAYBE and more of the sites that don't have mobile versions are using flash

posted on 11 Mar 2012, 03:55

28. 1701nino (unregistered)


Why doesn't it matter what kind of horse power the new ipad has??? I you would know better all those dual and quad core cpu-s and gpu-s are used for what? Manelly games and apps,browsing the web and in small extent email.
Just beacuse android has widgets and flash suport that doesn't mean its a better OS and takes advantage of multicore chipsets.
And ios still has the best selection of apps and games. So just because you tweak your android phone doesn't make it better it just means that you have acces to you to your OS. Man you don't have any clue about technology your are just taking sides. Compare the benchmarks,games and apps where it really matters.Son

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 23:17 19

4. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1348; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


apple is gonna get busted..

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 23:33 8

5. G2Noobin (Posts: 81; Member since: 17 Dec 2011)


Stupid on Apple if this is Bogus!!

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 00:11 7

6. jove39 (Posts: 1281; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I doubt Apple can prove A5x has 4x performance compared to Tegra3...may be in gpu power...but definitely not in CPU...Tegra3 will be definitely better than A5x if someone can run optimized multi-threaded benchmark app on comparable devices.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 00:30 5

8. smartphonelover (Posts: 36; Member since: 26 Nov 2009)


Correct me please if I'm wrong, cause I can't remember fully, but didn't the ipad 2 only beat the transformer prime in some type of old gaming structure?

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 00:39 5

10. nak1017 (Posts: 328; Member since: 08 Jan 2010)


Ok, I'm confused... are games even up to the level where any of this is going to matter?
Is Apple going after the graphics trophy to divert our collective eyes from the fact that it won't top nvidia (or samsung or qualcomm) when it comes to processing?
Last time I checked, the current bottleneck is on the CPU, not the GPU when it came to tablet gaming...

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 00:43 6

11. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 253; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)


couldn't this be considered as misleading advertisement? (if proven wrong)

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 01:15 3

12. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1348; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


and apple says that HP sold 15.1 million units and says its not accurate ..they say that to all non apple companies ,so this is also another false marketing scam

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 02:18 2

14. naveenstuns (Posts: 172; Member since: 19 Feb 2012)


even if the a5x has 4 times the graphics power it has more resolution to deal with it which will nullify its power. so finally tegra 3 = a5x.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 02:29 2

16. roscuthiii (Posts: 1801; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Hmm... so Apple threw in with a 4 core GPU, but still has forsaken a true multitasking CPU? Does this remind anyone else of the 'I Love Lucy' episode where she worked in the chocolate factory? And how well that turned out? (I bet The New iPad could be used to make a grilled cheese sammich' when it gets graphics intensive considering the screen resolution and size.)

Apple has yet again reinforced my concept of their product strategy - it doesn't really have to do anything, just look good doing it. I guess their devices really are works of art.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 04:11 2

17. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


"in benchmark tests, iPad 2 beat the transformer prime"

..IN GPU BENCHMARK TEST!!
Not surprisingly since it uses the PowerVR SGX543MP2 graphics processor which we should know, is still the industry leader on a given resolution.
But iPad3 has double of that GPU power - the same chip is used in Sony Vita (MP4) - but it has to deal with four times the screen resolution!

And yet they basically say it somehow magically outperforms even the Vita which runs on 960x540 pixels!

Only a true ignorant could buy that cr!p- apple clearly just manipulates the figures to twist the reality.

I'm so disappointed in phonearena.
It's a disgrace how apesh!t they went over all this iPad event.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 05:47 2

18. andro. (Posts: 1952; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Any claims apple makes are always exaggerated and as such people with free thought and self awareness know thats the following formula is true:

Apple claims........ divided by 3 = truth

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 07:23 1

20. eli577 (Posts: 81; Member since: 29 Jun 2010)


Wow! So much smart people here talking about how fast is the new ipad when nobody has tried a single unit yet and there is no video available on the web.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 07:23

21. saiki4116 (Posts: 352; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)


guys,do you know that the GPU in Nvidia Tegra 3 is 12 core one.I think Apple might have handpicked some apps for the benchmarking

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 08:15

22. DomThomas (Posts: 2; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Apple again have fallen for their own hyperbole

thephonegroupie.blogspot.com

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 09:24

23. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Apple is such a joke for reasons lke this I will never buy apple. They straight lie to the customers and use word play to make there product sound better then it is. OOOOO new ipad with quad core graphic process. Customer says so that is better then my dual core processor right.. Answer no the ipad still uses a dual core proccesor its the graphics process that is quad core we just say it this way for the iclowns to feel they have something better. And now with the lying on ATT iphone showing they have 4g. which is not possible since you need a new radio for lte not new software. People are still going to be idoits and say im canceling vzw/sprint to go the the iphone on 4g. Dumb

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 10:37

26. remixfa (Posts: 13905; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I'm not convinced it will hurt either group really. People that want iOS arefar and wide not.concerned with having the biggest specs... people that care about specs enough to care generally don't have apple in mind
Its 2 different mind sets on 2 different groups of people.

posted on 08 Mar 2012, 22:50

27. domspencer01 (Posts: 15; Member since: 08 Mar 2012)


Perhaps Apple didn't turn the Tegra 3 on during the test. I can assure all of you that the A5x is 4 times faster than the Tegra 3 when It's not even turned on :-)

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