Samsung Exynos 5250 appears on mysterious Samsung device at benchmark site
mysterious Samsung Android device that recently was spotted at GL Benchmark with the Exynos 5250 doing the heavy lifting. Considering that this will probably be the fastest chip on an Android model when launched on a device, it behooved us to take a long look at the mystery device which does have a model number of GT-B9150. According to SamMobile, the "B" on the mode number indicates a physical QWERTY keyboard. The 672 x 1280 resolution of the device could also indicate that there is a physical keyboard on the unit if it is a phone, or the resolution could just indicate that this is a tablet. Android 4.1 is powering the device either way.
Fans of the side-sliding QWERTY form factor might be hoping that this is the high end model that they have been waiting for for. We have Scooby and the gang checking it out and as long as it's not Old-man Johnson wearing a mask, we should have more information on this device as the year progresses.
source: GLBenchmark, SamMobile via AndroidandMe
1. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
"672 x 1280 resolution"
Could it be a Nexus phone with the on-screen buttons?
Galaxy Nexus: GT-B9150
5. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Galaxy Nexus: GT-i9250
This thing: GT-B9150
seem interesting and when it's dated the lastest Samsung Android smartphone with a physical keyboard?
7. VJo003 (Posts: 346; Member since: 11 Mar 2012)
Nexus was the first thought in my mind as well...
91. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1146; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Nexus or not, the 5250 dual should perform on par with the s4 pro quad and the Exynos 5 quad will be the heavyweight by next year...thinking Galaxy Note 3
65. pegasso (Posts: 225; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)
i think it's a flip / clamshell phone,
just like the Samsung GT-B9120.
13. doejon (Posts: 386; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
forget about optimus g and lg nexus exynos 5250 is coming guys!
13 mpx samsung sensor
2,5 gb 5250 exynos
2,5 gb ram (new faster ram technolgy from samsung )
super amoled HD double plus :P
= samsung galaxy s4
98. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1059; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
If you are expecting the Galaxy S4 to come out with that specs you are going to be disappointed, Samsung usually uses Sony's sensors, and what the hell is 2,5gb 5250 exynos? Maybe a 2ghz Exynos seems possible but 2,5ghz? Super Amoled HD double plus? What are you smoking dude? o.o
111. doejon (Posts: 386; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
I just speculating :-)
but let me tell u 1 thing u have no f**king idea!
if u never heard about the new samsung sensor 4 samsung smartphones than ur not at the level to talk about something like that!
and we all thought that the note 2 has a pentile matrix but the come up with a other new matrix
and im pretty sure to see a fexiblescreen on the s4
samsung has one realy big advantage that they can make everything! but u will never see such leaks as that we have seen from the iphone 5 or ipad mini...
sorry 4 my bad english
26. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
I don't think this will be a galaxy nexus because there is no need to take out 48 pixels for the onscreen buttons..
Previous nexus has the resolution of 720 x 1280 and only 4 pixels were reserved for the on screen buttons.
One thing is sure that it's a qwerty keyboard smartphone as Samsung always uses "B" FOR its qwerty android phones..
80. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Have you an idea of how much are small 4 pixels? XD
43. SkOne (Posts: 91; Member since: 02 May 2012)
if it were on screen buttons it'll be 1196 x 720
79. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
GLBenchmark is done in landscape, so to cut that it should be in tablet mode
61. pegasso (Posts: 225; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)
the code GT-Bxxxx usually refers to QWERTY phones or clamshell phones.
90. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1304; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
What about a tablet with a keyboard transformer style?
Samsung does not have one of those, so they may be using the B for that. They said the 5250 would be first used in tablets too.
113. Jasonhunterx (Posts: 111; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
Use a Nexus for a while and you won't think that I use to think like that
2. ajac09 (Posts: 1420; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
4.3 or 4.5 incher + keyboard interesting I want a note 2 with a keyboard!
4. Android2627 (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
i Think Sammy Surely Needs an Upgrade as Exynos 4 and Mali 400 are Not being as powerful as before it was thought as Snapdragon has already Ripped them in most hope Exynos 5 Rock the Mobile world again....
6. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
Looks good, wonder how well it will stack up against the S4 Pro
27. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
A15 may or may no be better than S4 PRO as Krait architecture is somewhat same as that of A15..
46. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's what they said about about the Scorpion architecture in the S3, yet that turned out to be one of the worst dual cores on the market despite being clocked 300 MHz above the competition.
I still think A15 has an edge on Krait, but it's nowhere near as big of a gap as it was between A9 and Scorpion.
62. rd_nest (Posts: 1093; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Not entirely true. Qualcomm is an ARM licensee. They have a license to use the ARM instruction set, but they make their own chip design. Scorpion S3 was not exactly same as A9. Similarly Krait architecture is also not same as A15. There are similarities, but they are not exactly same. Exynos 5 (or any other A15) will be faster than Krait at same clock.
To give an example, look at recent Samsung Chromebook using Exynos 5250. In SunSpider test it clocks 620ms. Now compare this against S4 SoC (lower is better). LG Optimus G scores around 1300-1400 range. Remember this is the first version of ChromeOS running on ARM SoC, whereas S4 is running Android on many devices. So with further optimization, this will get even better.
In terms of GPU, Mali-T04 "should" be far ahead of Adreno320.
Adreno320 in S4 Pro clocks around 25-30GFLOPs. Whereas Mali-T604 is marked at 72GFLOPs. More than that there are other standard and architectural advantages like GPGPU and double memory bandwidth. it’s 12.8GB/s in Exynos 5 compared to 6.4GB/s in S4 Pro.
Here’s a leaked Antutu benchmark for Exynos 5:
The important part to note here is 3D value. Now compare this against other S4 SoC. This is like 3x times compared to S4 Pro.
Here’s a Antutu link for LG OPtimus G:
Here’s HTC J Butterfly which also runs the same S4 pro:
A15 should easily beat Krait from evidence I saw till now. But we will definitely get more credible evidence soon.
71. madridista (Posts: 3; Member since: 21 Oct 2012)
Doesn't matter. Touchwiz would lag even on a core i7.
76. rd_nest (Posts: 1093; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Typical madridista. Always be in shadows of barca!
75. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
While most what you said is completely true there are a few things i disagree with. While the Exynos 5250's will no doubt be very impressive on Android, it would be even more impressive if it was able to repeat the score on the Chromebook. Chrome OS is a bare bones OS with an HTML 5 rendering ability that is better than any mobile (phone/tablet) device. To use benchmarks from different OSs to prove processor prowess is like saying one bridge is better than another because the color is more consistent. There are so many factors that make it an unfair comparison. Also, while it is true that core for core, the A-15s should beat the S4s core for core, chances are for multi-threaded apps (apps optimized for use on more than one core) the S4 quads should still rule the chip world for a while. The major companies that have announced there intention to make A-15 chips have stated that quad core chips will only be for tablet use if used at all (at least for the first few months after appearing on the market). The reasoning behind this decision is that the executives think that processors that powerful are pointless because nothing could use all that power (speaking of phones) except for powering ridiculous resolutions (tablet specific needs).. For phones, the S4 quads (which are expected to receive a speed boost around the time A-15 devices are making their ways towards the hands of consumers) will continue its reign as king, but its margin of victory will be greatly lowered.
81. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Great post, thank you.
One notion, though - GPU figures in Antutu are pretty flawed so I recommend a healthy dose of reserve towards that. For example, Antutu figure puts the Mali 400 in Galaxy S3 on par with the Adreno 320, while the whole truth is that newest Adreno is far ahead - as evident from GL benchmark which is the most complete 3D test out there.
However there is no doubt this leaked score indicates a superior SoC from Samsung.
If 1.5 Ghz is really the planned clock speed, it would mean that A15 is still a bit too power hungry at 2Ghz.
I think the quad core version will hit phones once when Samsung makes them on 20nm process
94. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
+1 bro. EXYNOS
8. AstronautJones (Posts: 284; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
True A15 cores should be better than s4 pro. The S4 pro will be shipping in a device soon, so that counts more IMHO.
We could talk all day about devices and chip sets coming down the road. Always something better coming.
9. Ravail (Posts: 182; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)
agreed, I'm choosing to get the LG Optimus G, normally i stand against LG but the device is just way to impressive to pass up. If i dont like it, ill probably go back and get a Galaxy Note II
11. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I would opt for the LG Nexus if I were you. Same specs as the Optimus G, just without LG's software. It will probably give you a better experience.
10. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Hope the quad core variant of this will be in Nexus 10.
12. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The dual core Exynos 5 should already be as, if not more, powerful than the quad S4 Pro. Why would we need a quad Exynos 5?
14. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Because it will probably have Mali T658 GPU which will be needed for high res screen.
Also to keep the wheel of technology moving. If we settle for "things we need right now" then progress of technology would be a lot slower.
It is also going to be future proof.
18. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
I agree with berzerk some things are just not needed as of now.....this will also give companys time to settle and catch up with these other companies that are always on the move.....I mean, is not the quad S4 pro already "future proof"?? At least until the middle of next year if not the whole year!!..........with all that power in an S4 pro LG had to litteraly find ways to make use of it! So i think we are well ahead of where we wanna be
19. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
And where do we wanna be? What if something comes along that needs more processing power than s4 quad. Whats the point of flagship device if best thing we have at present in not in it ?
20. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
what are going to have that requires more processing power than the quad core S4 pro?? WHAT!?
21. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Newer games and apps in the future may be? Who knows? Don't be sorry that Sony flagships that comes with 6 months old specs.
22. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
naa im actually more sorry that people are too obsessive with with having unecessary stuff like you just proposed.....
24. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Its like having high speed sports car. The speed is barely useful in real life But in few situations where we can use that power...its motherf**king awesome.
And having high end spec always leaves with more possibilities and have you one step ahead of your competitors.
29. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
I agree with you that the rumoured NeXus 10 manufactured by Samsung should have Mali T658 to handle the mammoth resolution.
Mali t658 should be able to handle the tablet well.
I read somewhere that the T658 would be equivalent to Powervr Sgx544MP4.
35. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
there is a typo in the last line of my comment- *SGX543MP4 instead of 544
30. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
wow.........now lets get back to "reality", everything you are gonna want to do you will be able to do with that S4 pro for quite some time now dood
You're living in a power hungry world when in the real world people are not using half the stuff you seek for.......dont get caught up in the hype of things and wind up spending more money than you should just to brag about things that arent as relevant as you thought it was
As for me? I think this nexus will solve alot of what people have been looking ........spec, update, AND price wise so ill be keepin my eye on that til its released
28. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Adreno 320 is very well capable of handling 1080p displays, and the Mali-T604 is more capable than the Adreno 320.
A quad S4 Pro + 2 GB RAM is all the future proof we need. The international Galaxy S3 is already considered future proof, yet it has a lesser processor and half the RAM as some of the phones coming out now.
By the time something is released that will slow the quad S4 Pro down, you would've probably had a new phone for a while.
We're talking about smartphones here, not desktops. You realize, with all this advancement in processors and graphics, we've reached Xbox 360/PS3 quality capabilities? Though consoles don't really hold a candle to high-end PC gaming, they are no slouch. You are WAY over-exaggerating our future needs for mobile computing.
31. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
yes he is bro lol ......indeed he is
32. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
If you read my first post you would know that, I was talking about Nexus 10. This device just exists in rumor but it is supposed to be 10" inch tablet with 2560x1600 res screen. At that resolution you will probably need Mali T658 for smooth gameplay.
And no we have not reached xbox360/ps3 quality in smartphones and arm tablets.
36. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
so you're saying the S4 pro wouldnt be able to handle what the nexus 10 requires? is that what you're saying?
37. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Yes, considering that newer games are going to come out with better graphics. s4 pro isn't going to be enough at that resolution.
38. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
what are the S4 pros limits in terms of resolution? Just a question
40. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
Just being capable of high resolution is one thing. Gaming at that resolution is another. Considering that we now have 5 inch screen with 1080p screen, who is going to say that screens with very high ppi is not going to make it to tablets.
41. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
I dont know too much about that but i think bezerk might know a bit more in this department.........Also if you're so obsessed with "gaming with high resolution" then I think you might wanna wait on that Tegra 4 because by the time that "rumored" nexus 10 comes out, that probably will be out as well and from the sounds of it the gaming you're lookin for seems to be some serious gaming that would only be found on consoles and pc's so i would think your priorities are a little out of order
42. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
You realize the new iPad has a 2048x1536 display and runs intensive games smoothly, right? And the Adreno 320 is more capable than the SGX543MP4 in the iPad.
So, by your logic; a GPU (Mali-T604) that is more powerful than the Adreno 320 (that handles games at high resolutions VERY well), can't handle games at 2560x1600? That doesn't add up.
And yes, the Adreno 320 DOES match the graphics quality in the PS3/Xbox 360. If it didn't, Qualcomm would've been sued for false advertising a while ago, because they have said multiple times that the Adreno 320 can handle Xbox 360 standard games.
45. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
SGX543MP4 actually struggles at the native resolution and the the improvement in graphics is not that ahead of ipad 2. These companies can say anything they want as there can never be real comparisons done.
And we are going to see newer games that will push the limits and we are also going to see better screens with higher PPI.
Also Adreno 320 is not that much powerful than SGX543MP4 as you claim.
47. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Have you ever seen the iPad lag? Like, ever? No, not even during gaming. Though there is some overheating problems, there is no lag. Your statements aren't really based on anything. My statements are based on the SGX543MP4 being on top of the benchmark list for months until the Adreno 320 comes along and knocks it down a notch.
Benchmarks = tests. Tests can be compared.
Qualcomm HAS to have some viable reasoning for making a bold statement like that, or else they will face legal trouble. It's logic.
50. PackMan (Posts: 277; Member since: 09 Mar 2012)
It doesn't lag except for few frames drops here and there, but the graphics is certainly toned down a bit to make up for that resolution.
You are saying like Adreno 320 totally obliterates SGX543MP4 but it doesn't. Read my post again, i never said Adreno 320 is not good.
There are most likely going to be tablets with resolution higher than 2560x1600 and there are going to games that are going to push the limits of GPU.
Better processors are also needed so we can run heavy apps that we have been seeing in x86 deskops/slates/laptops.
You can twist the words anyway you like when you make such broad statements. Also there aren't any cross platform benchmarks to test. If there are show me the results.
53. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
How am I making it sound like the Adreno obliterates the SGX543MP4? I said "knocks it down a notch."
Key word: notch. And (to me at least) a notch, when used in that context, means a small degree in level. So by, "knocks it down a notch," I meant that the Adreno 320 edges out the SGX543MP4 in terms of performance, but the latter is only minorly lesser to the Adreno 320.
Look, here are the facts;
The SGX543MP4 performs well at 2048x1536
Adreno 320 > SGX543MP4
So; Adreno 320 could handle 2560x1600 fairly well.
Mali-T604 > Adreno 320
So; Mali-T604 will handle 2560x1600 VERY well.
Why in the world would we need the T658 if the T604 and Adreno 320 are already very capable?
Also, I'm not really sure how many cores the Adreno 320 in the S4 Pro has. I'd imagine it's quad-core, but I could be wrong. I know the T604 in the 5250 is quad-core. So, Qualcomm could very well make a new chip with the quad S4 and a quad core Adreno 320, which would boost potential performance exponentially. If we're gonna compare GPUs, why not make sure they all have quad core?
Another thing, why would we need more than 2560x1600 on a tablet? I mean, really? That just seems impractical.