Nokia chief executive Elop taking heat from investors, blamed to have put company on ‘the road to hell’
"You're a nice guy ... and the leadership team is doing its best, but clearly, it's not enough," Hannu Virtanen, a Nokia shareholder told Elop. "Are you aware that results are what matter? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Please switch to another road.”
Nokia, once a pioneer in smartphones, held on to its dated Symbian platform for too long while Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android, two modern operating systems, developed quickly leaving it in the dust. But Nokia fell off the cliff in the middle of 2011, right after it announced its decision to ditch Symbian and MeeGo, and adopt Windows Phone. Since then Nokia shares have dropped catastrophically.
Chief executive Stephen Elop however only reaffirmed Nokia’s determination to stay exclusively in Windows Phone.
"We make adjustments as we go. But it's very clear to us that in today's war of ecosystems, we've made a very clear decision to focus on Windows Phone with our Lumia product line," he said. "And it is with that that we will compete with competitors like Samsung and (Google's operating system) Android."
Nokia Lumia Windows Phone sales surpassed Symbian for the first time two quarters ago, and last quarter Nokia grew Lumia sales to 5.6 million. A lot of that comes from more affordable Windows Phones that Nokia has introduced, and analysts agree that it’s one area where Nokia can still compete with devices like the Lumia 520.
1. clevername (Posts: 1378; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I know a lot of people want Nokia to switch to android, but just a thought here...would it be profitable? Haven't Samsung and apple been the only profitable smartphone manufacturers for a while now? At least until recently. Why would diving into a sea of big fish help? To be cliche, is it better to be the big fish in a small (but rapidly expanding) pond, or the small fish in a big pond ( full of huge, fish eating fish)?
5. tadaa (Posts: 131; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)
Great thought. But i bet a lot of people would have bought a nokia asap if it was running android. I wouldn't even be looking at buying a galaxy or xperia if nokia had a phone running android.
15. joey_sfb (Posts: 1473; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Agree. For me would be symbian -> Nokia android as I have only use nokia symbian smartphone. I don't have any problem with Nokia going into android but I refuse to buy windows phone as they have similar constraints as iphone with even less apps support.
Now that is history, I am a happy Samsung android user. Might have a change of heart if Samsung abondon Android for Tizan. Might go for Tizan if its better than android. Both are open source.
54. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 4704; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If Nokia had released a L920 on Android with VZW frequencies, I would own one. But they didn't and I don't.
I suspect that Nokia will be able to displace RIM/BB for 3rd place behind Apple and Sammy. Which is kind of fitting - one company who was out of touch with the market is replaced with another company who is out of touch with the market.
Meanwhile, Android just keeps going and going and going.
78. akki20892 (Posts: 1672; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
u r right dude, if nokia come out with android everyone will buy nokia because we know how nokia make hardware. so i don't see any risk to nokia make android phone and i know it will sell good maybe after some months it will overtake sammy.......!!! still nokia can make WP and Android both....good for nokia.
82. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 227; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
I think Elop has no confidence in the hardware that Nokia produces or even the weight of the name that Nokia carries. No one is switching to Windows Phone because of the lack of apps that iOS and Android offer.
89. ECPirate37 (Posts: 68; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)
I AGREE! I would LOVE to buy another Nokia phone. Until I switched to HTC with the the Fuze (the freeze, haha), I had always bought Nokia. But, they stopped coming out with anything appealing. We even had a Nokia Flagship Store here in NYC. I would go in to see what was in the pipeline, and even their new "Great" products were woefully behind. (And I'm not saying the Fuze was great, but it had the best qwerty keyboard of everything I have ever had, and I like the back of the phone) I bought the HTC Hero shortly after that, and that was my first experience with Android. I now have the HTC Evo 3D (which I STILL love), and I'm firmly in the HTC camp. I do not plan on buying a new phone any time soon, even though I'm eligible for an upgrade. I plan on using my 3D until it dies. However, if Nokia released an Android phone tomorrow, I would most likely buy that phone tomorrow. Especially if it had their top of the line camera in it.
11. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
What are you talking about? Nokia is already in the smartphone game. So it's better to be the king of the hill of s**t than a general in the Droid army? Nokia makes great HW both low cost and high end, Nokia would sell more phones (both Android and WP) if it joins. It's a win-win situation. Yes Samsung is all the craze right now, but people will get bored eventually and that bubble will burst in 2 years. But Android is here to stay, imo, and WP is still a joke in the smartphone world, besides offering different UI and Nokias cameras they offer nothing new. I say Nokia, come to the party and show that you are not a Microsofts bitch.
19. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
I agree with your idea. Now Nokia is using an OS supported, or made by, a software giant - Microsoft. In my opinion Windows Phone will stay relevant. Windows Mobile was a flop, but things have changed now. When GDR3 is out supporting quad core and 1080p this year with Nokia slapping in quality camera into their phones, the real race begins.
Elop is doing a fine job in my opinion, he shouldnt have killed Symbian maybe, but i think it was done to save cost since Nokia was making huge losses. If Nokia goes back to hundreds of million profit per quarter, i'd personally recommend Symbian being brought back and used in Ashas - and keep staying away from Android. The market needs more variety.
32. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
Playing the WP card and risking everything for the sake of "variety" is foolish. Nokia should adopt Android and take the biggest bite of the pie as they can get, instead of painting their phones bright yellow to get noticed. 1% of Android market share is 200% more than the whole WP smartphone sales.
33. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
I tried to edit my post from 10% to 7% and I past the time limit. The math works out, I'm confident that Nokia can take 7% of Android market share to double its sales.
63. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 146; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Nokia would be stupid to use Android. Elop is stupid by sitll using WP. He has under Nokia a perfect OS capable of capturing any market, and that is Maemo / MeeGo that everyone loved but Microsoft and Elop hated. And all this idiots here, why in the hell do you want a monopoly? That is the worst possible scenario you want.
65. Dastrix (limited) (Posts: 392; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
I totally agree with EXkurogane. I think it's a little too late for Nokia to adopt Android. Just look at the ecosystem. The only prominent phonemaker for Android is literally Samsung. The rest are just there, hoping to compete with that enormous fish.
Let's face it, the majority of people do not walk into a store to ask for an Android other than Samsung, because Samsung = Android. I think that if Nokia realized that Symbian was becoming obsolete earlier, when Android was still in its early developmental stages, it could have become the big fish that Samsung is today. However, it is not the case, that;s why Windows Phone will stay relevant. At least, with Windows Phone, Nokia stands out, because Windows Phone = Lumia.
SGSatlantis, you are right though; it is risky, but Nokia is in a better position than HTC actually. Look at where HTC is now. Android = Samsung, WP = Nokia.. So HTC really stands below Samsung and Nokia both ways, even though it does make great phones. That's why Nokia choosing WP only was the best option.
77. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
Nokia is competing with Samsung no matter how you look at it. I understand your logic, want a WP handset, OK, buy a Nokia. Although WP is on the rise, the safest bet was to bombard the market with both Android and WP(meego as backup) and get all fronts covered. I want an Android device, OK, mmm no Nokia, sooo Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony... And I'm not the only one, 70% want Android and only 5% want WP. That is my understanding, you need to view the smartphone market as a whole not just sales between WP manufacturers.
52. tswsabeer (Posts: 13; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Nokia is a big fish. They won't fit in a small pond like WP which is not growing at all. So today or tomorrow nokia will have to jump into a bigger pond. Let's just hope they are not too late.
56. Aeires (unregistered)
Good point except for two things. First, the small pond isn't rapidly expanding. It is expanding, but slowly. Second, Nokia can go head to head with Samsung. Nokia's quality is outstanding, they can put a major hurting on SS if they made Android handsets.
73. noim1 (Posts: 252; Member since: 15 May 2012)
Nokia iS NOT A small Fish ...It is very Huge and Powerful...If Nokia goes Android i am Sure every one with their Plastic Galaxies will switch Phones immediately .... i am telling this bcuz i am a Galaxy S 3 user ...i love Nokia & always have...i chose Samsung bcuz Nokia is not in Android ..thats why there is no other better choice at this time.....Nokia please make some Android Models & Shake the Android Market ....
85. 14545 (Posts: 874; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I would. I like nokia's, but I hate WP. And Elop is a MS shill who has MS's best interest at heart, not Nokia's. If he didn't then at minimum he wouldn't have dumped their in house OS's so quick with nothing on the windows side coming out for months. He is tool that should be fired. The investor is right to point that out.
70. Reverence (Posts: 197; Member since: 16 Jul 2012)
Its like growing in your own pond...no use....I never wanted Nokia to have WP or android....if they had combined Symbian with meegoo(Modern day Sailfish), they could have been the leaders!
but this idiot elop killed Symbian and meegoo and Introduced those UGLY asha phones just for 1 country and WP8 phones just to please ballmer
2. tadaa (Posts: 131; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)
I thought that nokia was slowly rising again. Must be a slap in the face for elop to have that said to him directly. Best to them though
3. Edmund (Posts: 599; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
One troll in the audience and phone arena runs with a "sensational" headline. Gutter-journalism at its best.
I agree that both Nokia and Microsoft need to lift their game and deliver cutting edge technology in a timely manner, but the decision by Stephen Elop and the Board of Directors to go with WP is hardly "the road to hell".
7. tadaa (Posts: 131; Member since: 18 Apr 2013)
He appears to be quoting the executive so it is unfair to criticize the him for that statement
16. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
Aww come on, you know if the sentence starts with "You're a nice guy ..." you're in trouble. And is he the only "troll" criticising his decision to be Windows exclusive?
4. fsahin (Posts: 45; Member since: 17 Mar 2012)
There lots of ignorant CEO many companies, Elop is not unique.
6. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2951; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
With the new range of Lumias, i think Nokia has a good bargain. I'm sure the low-mid trio will help them up.
8. galaxymega6.3 (banned) (Posts: 33; Member since: 08 May 2013)
Nokia is so late for everything, heavy bulky, and sub par spec, with sub par design, and now still refuse android? May rest in peace Nokia
9. iorrri3 (Posts: 2; Member since: 08 May 2013)
Nokia could at least develop one android handset and see the results instead of avoiding it 4good
18. Federated (Posts: 23; Member since: 06 Mar 2010)
They should try the upcoming Nokia Lumia EOS run Android 5 (Key Lime Pie) with Qualcomm Snapdragon 800. Phone should be unlocked and make it available on Amazon. They should make two versions: GSM and CDMA. Pentaband on 3G and 4G radios so consumers can just pop in a SIM card of their network choice.
45. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Who said they are avoiding it for good? Now is not the right time for Nokia and Android. Nokia is ticking along quite nicely as it stands. WP8 is growing in popularity and Nokia do not have to worry about updating the specs every 3 months just to stay in front. They have a great phone which is king of the hill in WP. When WP8 supports 1080P and quad core, then perhaps this may be the time for Nokia to consider Android as well as WP8.
The problem for Nokia is, they look at HTC who were so strong in the early Android days, but are now struggling despite making probably the best quality Android devices on the market. Making a quality phone, clearly doesn't guarantee success.
Samsung are too strong and don't forget they don't just make phones. Their success is probably built on their strength in consumer electronics in general. They have a huge customer base who are used to cutting edge electronics products from Samsung. They are seen as the innovators in so many fields and this clearly gives them an edge in the smartphone world.
86. 14545 (Posts: 874; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
Do you bother to pay attention to Android phones at all? Sony and Samsung are on a yearly release plan for their highend phones. HTC is really the only one still playing the every 6 month game. Moto is mostly a yearly release plan also. Yet nokia is behind all of them in terms of spec's that don't include the camera. So please stop being a homer troll.
55. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 4704; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
They won't do that because it would be the end of their 'special' relationship with MS. And the end of the $ lifeline from MS. Elop strikes me as dumb, but not suicidal.
10. jove39 (Posts: 1126; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Low price Lumia phones must be doing good (as said for Lumia 520)...but what about flagship Lumia 920...its highly overpriced wrt its mediocre specs!
Why can't nokia have two flagship devices and let people decide which one to buy...android or windows phone...ecosystem s**t is gone now...people with two phones have iPhone and Galaxy Note together...they don't give a damn about ecosystem!
12. surethom (Posts: 91; Member since: 04 Mar 2009)
It was a silly move going exclusive to windows phone. If I was an investor I would be furious & insist on windows phone & android this would increase market share & profits .
13. Federated (Posts: 23; Member since: 06 Mar 2010)
If Nokia was running Android Nokia will be my ONLY choice. I will ignore ALL brands. Nokia is simply the undisputed king when it comes to phone. I'm using a Sony right now while waiting for Nokia to go Android.
14. Trex95 (Posts: 482; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)
I don't know why people heats WP8! i bought lumia 720 for my mom and honestly WP8 isn't that bad as some heaters mentioned. Yes i do agree there's no quality apps like IOS and Android but WP8 it's so smooth and fluid even with 512mb ram, the camera on lumia 720 it's 6 MP and still take better pics at night than my Nexus 4 and note 2.
23. StreetNerd (Posts: 683; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
and better than HTC One and xperia Z lol
17. Federated (Posts: 23; Member since: 06 Mar 2010)
Imagine if the upcoming Nokia Lumia EOS is running Android 5 (Key Lime Pie) with Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 inside. 5 inches 1920 x 1080p screen. Wow! It would be the GREATEST phone/camera phone/smartphone of all time.
20. mayax (Posts: 5; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
If Nokia did release an Android phone with the Lumia design, I can tell you Samsung will not even be what it is today. And Nokia will not even need MS subsidy nor sacking its staffs.
22. Federated (Posts: 23; Member since: 06 Mar 2010)
Agree. Nokia would simply demolish the competition guaranteed.
25. StreetNerd (Posts: 683; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
nah dont think for the other zillion people on this planet.....
we, here on PA, we know bout Nokia quality but the majority of the consumers doesnt,,, all they know is android equals samsung galaxy.
nokia+android = htc or sony or lg
21. hawra (Posts: 21; Member since: 29 Apr 2013)
People talk how HTC fails but they still make profits in their worst quater, and things look good for HTC. Sony, LG and many others make profit off Android too.
Nokia is doing well with WP? well it could never make a profit even with huge MS subsidy and after sacking most of its employees.
24. gerasim (Posts: 16; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
People say that Android is too saturated, etc... if Nokia released an Android flagship phone, they'd become a serious player again. As many stupid things as Nokia has done, they still seem to have lots of dedicated fans. Their cameras are still great, designs are great, they have the maps.
Dump Windows Phone already Nokia, go Android, or at least release and support both... I mean you are a phone company, unlike Samsung, phones is all you do.
26. eness (Posts: 6; Member since: 03 May 2013)
Nothing but pure industrial hijacking putting one of Microsoft's biggest shareholders in place as Nokia CEO, who then gets rid of Maemo/Meego and Sybian, completely ignores Android and focuses solely on Windows Phone, despite repeated poor sales results.
Selling just Windows Phone smartphones is a feat no manufacturer can survive.
Nokia would be a lot better off diversifying with the hugely successful Android and maybe another os like Ubuntu smartphone os.
40. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
The only reason Android is successful is because of the hardware supporting it, and let's face it, Android hardly does that hardware any favours in terms of making the most of the specs.
I had only ever known Android until I switched to Windows. I always had the top end phone and I was always bored with the look and feel and the out of date specs in no time at all. I was also frustrated how quickly the phone would start to lag. I was constantly factory resetting my Android devices and reloading just the stuff I really wanted. You go into any store and play with the HTC One beast...it will lag.. guaranteed.
I never get bored of looking at my Lumia, and the specs no longer matter to me, because it just works....really well. Yes WP8 has a few shortfalls but without exception, everyone who has seen it, loves it. It is only a matter of time. Nokia have completely made the correct decision. They are the Samsung of a growing WP8, and they will reap the benefits.
27. Alex123 (Posts: 132; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
I will always go with Nokia. Just my thought, Nokia would get much more profit if it decides to use both WP and Android. I think that Elop also thinking of this but if he uses android in their phone so that means all their effort with WP will result nothing as now WP not really a strong OS yet.
Nokia is also getting profit from its Asha line up but to be more selling, i would suggest Nokia to enlarge the screen to at least from 3.8 inches to 4.3 inches and also strengthen the Nokia store. I want Nokia to include some must-have app like Skype, Yahoo Messenger......
43. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
I admire your love for Nokia, but they would not make more profit by supporting Android as well as WP8...at least not at this stage. They would have ever increasing costs, trying to keep up with the specs. Perhaps once WP8 supports 1080P screens and quad core processors, then that may be the time for Nokia to consider Android, because they will have economies of scale. You have to remember where Nokia were when they made the decision to go with WP. They were losing money at an alarming rate and they did not have the funds to get into an Android specs race. As one of the first posters on here said, why be a small fish in a big pond, when you can be the big fish in a small pond which is growing into a lake? Do you think the Lumia 920 would have received even half the attention it has if it were an Android phone? I think it is a clever strategy by Mr Elop, because they can showcase the unique ground breaking features of the Lumia 920 without being forgotten a month later when the next high end Android phone is released. They have their own stage, and they are making the most of it.
28. Rayanx10 (Posts: 45; Member since: 30 Mar 2013)
I would like to add that if Nokia went with android, then I would be in a line up to get one of their android smart phones.
30. anupam.chopra (Posts: 15; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
Fire him. He is agent of MS. Can he bring back the jobs that people lost cos of him chooseing WINDOWS.
48. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
they were already in the sh*t before he made that decision. I think you will find that Nokia are on an improving path. Perhaps it isn't as fast as some shareholders might like, but the success of Elop's strategy will play out in the next couple of years, as WP gathers traction and market share and Nokia are sat on the top of that hill.
Besides what is the difference between being the bitch of MS or the bitch of Google? They are both very powerful companies with huge ambitions and a ruthless approach to business.
31. SIGPRO (Posts: 317; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
If Nokia switches to Android i will not buy Nokia again! Better switch to Sailfish/Meego instead!
35. Babert (Posts: 5; Member since: 08 May 2013)
Nokia has something far more valuable than any other company does, and it's nothing but it's handsets character! something that they built through many years being in the business. their handsets has their own class and design something that you hardly see in todays smartphone.
it's such a waste to see such a hardware and designing goes to drain with such a weak and immature ecosystem!
36. Babert (Posts: 5; Member since: 08 May 2013)
MICROSOFT used NOKIA to promote it's stupid OS!
cuz no body would even consider windows mobile not even chinese cellphone makers!
I cant believe how Nokia fell for that!
NOKIA must come to android and use everything it has to take on sumsung and sony! (they can win, they have both the hardware and the design)
if NOKIA LUMIA 920 has Android i wouldn't even look at the galaxy S3 or whatever sony or other company.
41. MC1123 (Posts: 1210; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
well technically its not nokia, its ELOP!
nokia should just use meego instead!! and support devs like what BlackBerry is doing!
49. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
By definition you are admitting that people will consider WP8 with Nokia on board?
HTC have the hardware, the design and the quality....but where has it left them?
Samsung are currently unbeatable, so let them have it I say. They will fall from grace just as Apple are slightly now.
If the Android market was shared equally amongst the major smartphone manufacturers, I would agree with you that Nokia should give it a go....but it isn't.
Samsung are the kings and all of the other manufacturers are throwing everything they can into their devices to try to de-throne them.....at huge cost.
Nokia cannot afford to join this revolution just yet. They are the Samsung of WP, so why would they want to?
91. Babert (Posts: 5; Member since: 08 May 2013)
you are wrong y friend, htc does not have the design and prestige of Nokia, and you cant keep away from competition just because there are major players! (grow a pair)
samsung is like KIA or HYUNDAI they are know and they sell like hotcakes but they don't have character, they just jamm all kind of gimmicks and goodies in their devices and cars to attract customers! (believe it or not Korean industries are like that)
Nokia is like Mercedes it has it's own fame and character! so why waste all that on a weak ecosystem?!