Nokia Finnish investors considering gathering signatures to get CEO Elop sacked
That tough transition period is far from over. Now, it seems that Nokia shareholders have started a discussion on gathering signatures to have Elop out of the company. A forum discussion on Finnish business newspaper Kauppalehti shows that the Finnish shareholder association is actively debating whether it should start making a list of signatures to have the former Microsoft employee sacked.
Under Elop, Nokia is letting go a fifth of its workforce, including staff in Finland. The company has also outsourced manufacturing to Asia, and is shutting down plants across Europe and other countries. Most recently, Nokia closed all alternative platforms like Meltemi, a stripped version of MeeGo, aimed to power the best selling affordable Nokia phones. The focus seems to be fully on Windows Phone 8 at Espoo, and hopefully it will have the first devices out soon and in time for the Holiday season, a success there might be the only thing that will keep chief executive Elop at his position.
source: Kauppalehti via Communities Dominate Brands
8. anywherehome posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:11 25 0
he s just been a cuckoo from Microsoft so Microsoft can buy Nokia just for a penny :)
good work, Elop!
19. lyndon420 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:41 12 1
Maybe Google should think of buying Nokia. Would definately boost their patent arsenal.
44. anywherehome posted on 23 Aug 2012, 13:51 2 0
Microsoft will overpay....they will be out of their mind to pay 100 bln for that if google bids :)
37. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 23 Aug 2012, 11:09 7 0
Every time I look at Elop's pictures I can't help thinking: "What a dumb person it is".
42. r2212xx posted on 23 Aug 2012, 13:28 4 0
Yes, i agree. Nokia suddenly seem to have become great buddies with Microsoft after Stephen Elop walked into the scene.
16. .POLICE. (banned) posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:36 7 4
It has been 7 years for windows, what progress have they made?
It took them 7 years so the OS handles high end games and dual core chips. Elop killed all his own platform, leaving just S40. Once the king
of mobile industries has to rely on other OS.
57. AeroPrime posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:21 0 0
Yes i totally agree. Kick this dumb CEO. He is making the situation worst and putting Nokia in the edge of collapsing.
2. Osman posted on 23 Aug 2012, 06:48 12 14
they should wait a little more and see how his WP8 strategy goes, what if he succeeds with his plans then it won't be fair.... just my opinion!
sure you can thumb this down (haters).
15. kanagadeepan posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:28 21 0
The problem is why he killed Symbian?? Instead of using it as stop-gap till WP arrives??
Why he said "NO MORE MEEGO, EVEN IF N9 SELLS WELL" ??
Why he killed Meltemi for LowEnd phones, even WP8 can't be used in Low-end phones?? Because, A Linux based OS = Enemy of M$..
Why he said in US, Nokia808-PureView will be sold in FULL PRICE only and NOT in contract and sold Lumia900 at just 99$ with contract??
I am NOT a Nokia hater... My first smartphone is Nokia 9210i communicator and used soo many Nokias till E71 and E90.. I agree that SymbianTouch is NOT as good as non-Touch Symbian.. But Anna is much better than earlier Symbian-Touch and can be used as Stop-Gap till WP picks up... Instead he killed it and thats the main reason for current condition of Nokia...
I have NO problem, if he wants to sell his soul to the Devil M$, but he also sold NOKIA's too.. That is the problem...
SIMPLE... If he is kicked out, Nokia survives... If NOT Nokia is kicked out from market...
3. w-t-f posted on 23 Aug 2012, 06:51 18 1
it's about time..ditch that MS trojan horse..get back on meego project as primary OS,WP8 as 2nd and rock on :) also keep feature phones in. and make LUMIA NEXUS LOL
4. maverick786us posted on 23 Aug 2012, 06:54 7 7
Its too late to ditch WP. But yes they can bring back Meego live and use their entire work force to make it a very good OS to compete with Android handsets. So sacking him might create instability within the company
20. allen83 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:48 3 0
yes you're right. They should continue with Meego. Because Meego was really a very hot OS for the past months or a year especially when Jolla went out to the bloom and announced that they would continue Meego. It is really a big slap of the face to Nokia when Meego OS is a success especially ex Nokia staves ar involved in making the project a big success
5. tango_charlie posted on 23 Aug 2012, 06:56 3 11
Nokia made self-destructive mistakes long before Elop hit the spot. Firing him now just makes no sense. If WP8 fails to succeed their will be no Nokia anyway to be fired from.
6. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 23 Aug 2012, 06:56 5 3
Sack the board first.
9. lyndon420 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:15 13 0
Bye bye elop...hello Android :-)
I bet a lot of people have been wishing for Nokia hardware that runs Android.
24. Aeires (unregistered) posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:58 5 0
Agreed, on both points. It's too difficult to ignore the overwhelming market share dominance that Android has been enjoying. Getting a piece of it instead of competing with it literally from the bottom of the pile is what they should have done.
How long before we see Plan B?
10. jack1059 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:16 5 0
There are only 2 issues which a CEO ultimately gets judged on. That's share price and marketshare. On both counts Elop has driven nokia over a cliff. Market share went from 35% roughly to 6% under him, and the shares are now listed as junk. Add all the other bone headed mistakes he's made and I wonder how he still has a job.
11. threed61 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:17 1 6
The decision to go with windowsphone wasn't a bad one, it was trashing the other OS options before there were even wp phones to sell that was stupid, for that alone he should be fired.
But this point was coming anyway, the latest Symbian belle is about the same functionability as a 2009 OS. It sucks and consumers were dumping it already.
Meego, like webOS before it doesn't offer enough apps or developer support to compete, and without a cash pile like Microsoft's it wasn't going to get that support.
Nokia's problems were there long before Elop.
21. allen83 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:52 3 0
yes applications to a new born OS is really few at first. but it will increase as time goes by. just like Android and Apple. And knowing that when Meego before its launch has already partners pledging to support the OS even it is not well known or just starting
45. picka_vi_materina posted on 23 Aug 2012, 14:10 4 0
You have quite a bad understanding of things. First of all, Symbian has the best functionality of any OS to date. That is not even up to debate by the worst of the bloggers. Second, MeeGo had so many partners waiting to publish apps, but after the ”there will be no meego degices even if N9 sells like crazy,” who could blame them. Lastly, there is alien dalvik which could have taken care of the lack of apps.
12. tiara6918 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:21 5 1
Hahaha...lol! I laughed at the time I read the headline. It's Elop's fault that nokia has plunged down to what it is now. Time to go android and that will surely bring the company much success. Go back to windows phone os when the time it's neck to neck with android and ios...
13. Nikolas.Oliver (limited) 3 days ago posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:24 8 0
shame on u elop....shame on u
14. JunkCreek posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:27 4 0
and YET WINDOWS PHONE IS NOT EXCLUSIVE FOR NOKIA, SO ELOP REALLY SHOULD KICK UP LIKE A XXX.
18. bloodline posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:37 4 0
nokia should just do one 1 test. Release one of their best tech phones onto android and see what happens
23. picka_vi_materina posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:57 2 0
they shouldn't even think about touchinf touching android, EVER. Release a high spec MeeGo device, that is all.
34. picka_vi_materina posted on 23 Aug 2012, 10:21 3 0
You mean jolla is there for meego? Why should every single company in the world develop on android. I want Nokia to do the real thing and continue developng and using meego and symbian. Samsung, HTC, Motorola, ZTE, etc are there for android.
39. MorePhonesThanNeeded posted on 23 Aug 2012, 11:59 3 0
Hence why companies aren't run by feelings, it's a business and you invest where you can get returns. Nokia could have a few Android phones and their own OS powered phones as well along with Windows phone. This all or nothing idea was complete suicide in such a market, MS can care less what happens to Nokia, with all those patents if Nokia starts sinking they will have to consolidate and of course daddy warbucks will swoop in to inject cash. Now you are my biatch, you do what I say.
I couldn't understand how Elop sold the entire Board of Nokia Investors his tripe about going one OS. They are not Apple, they do not have the marketing nor the sex appeal. The Board needs to be sacked for believing Elop's pipe dreams. That whole idea is basically an all or nothing, if it fails then what?
46. picka_vi_materina posted on 23 Aug 2012, 14:17 2 0
Imagine the amount of money they could have made with their own OSs. Symbian, MeeGo, Meltemi, S40. All those OSs require a one-time app coding, with an easy simple porting. Nokia was onto a winner until......
40. No_Nonsense posted on 23 Aug 2012, 12:19 2 0
Good catch, I meant MeeGo
22. RaKithAPeiRiZ posted on 23 Aug 2012, 07:57 2 0
Nokia's version of the Arab spring has begun
25. satydesh posted on 23 Aug 2012, 08:00 1 2
it not elop but nokia take some decisions which self-destructive decisions.they fail to deliver their innovations into product and they announce product and in stores after four months which causes less excitement in their products.Being late is nokia's habit they should act like apple which announce product same date and in store on same day or pre-order today.Elop wasnot only taking decisions behind him the board member are also responsible!!!
26. No_Nonsense posted on 23 Aug 2012, 08:04 0 3
And then, what if Nokia WP8 devices are amazing? Maybe all these 808s/N9s/Lumia800s/900s/710s/610s were beta devices.
29. tluv00 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 08:23 3 0
Ballmer = The Emperor
Elop = Darth Vader
Destroy the Rebellion (Nokia) from within and The Empire (M$) will take over. Mwahahahahahahahaha.
30. sonisoe posted on 23 Aug 2012, 08:29 2 0
theres no reason nokia wp8 will be a success.... wp7 is a fantastic os, and lumias are supreme quality products, but people arent just buying them, especially now that android (samsung) is getting much much better with jelly bean...
32. Stoli89 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 09:21 1 2
I think this discussion is a waste of time. For one, the turnaround is well past the mid-point, with the stock price having already rebounded from a nadir by 65+%. The next generation Nokia WP8 devices are less than a month away from being announced, and the entire MS ecosystem about to get a big jolt with the arrival of W8 devices and Win RT tablets. Now is not the time to be kicking up dust. With just a little patience we all will very quickly see if the fruits of Nokia's turnaround will begin to ripen. You can hate Elop all day, but the fact remains that Nokia was in a downward trajectory, and with bloated overhead, long before the MS executive arrived on the scene.
33. gwuhua1984 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 10:12 2 0
They're debating???? Not taking actions yet? What is there to debate about?
35. 7thspaceman posted on 23 Aug 2012, 10:29 2 0
I have read talk about getting rid of MR Elop before. not too long ago the Nokia board of Directors said They stand by him. the one thing I did not like about "Microsoft" was that they did not make special version of Windows 7 to run on the Nokia N9 Meego body which had a front facing camera. it would have saved Nokia time and money to get their first Windows hand set to the market place. this hurt Nokia big time because they hade design a new smart phone using other internal components..
38. jackhammeR posted on 23 Aug 2012, 11:16 3 0
why so late after damages he has already done to Nokia??????
Have you hidden your balls in your closet???
52. pikapowerize (banned) posted on 23 Aug 2012, 19:02 1 1
he might be gay and cant take it anymore!! now he act like a man!!!
43. Loubielou posted on 23 Aug 2012, 13:44 3 0
Why?as it taken this Long for action to be taken against the Salesman for Microsoft an not a Company Leader,for years i used to Buy Nokia phones,but ever since this Moron as stepped in,i will never invest in any Nokia Smartphone,he made me switch to Android an loads of Nokia Users have followed the same trend,Nokia created the Pureview 808 but because this Stupid comment this Idiot made on Febuary 11th"Symbian Is Dead" no mobile operator in the U.k will offer this phone out on Contract,so How can this be any good news for Nokia when there sales are really Struggling,"We Want Elop Out"
47. johnh3 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 14:41 0 2
I dont agree. Nokia Asha series going fine:
Windows Phone in general going better to:
And in about 2 months Windows Phone 8 will be launced in 180 countries. Verizon in USA will start to sell them to. Nokia will be the first one with Windows Phone 8 also:
I think you must wait and see how it will be going. Maybe the "Trojan Elop" will be a succes after all in the long run.
48. spitfire posted on 23 Aug 2012, 15:06 2 0
read this about the reason why Elop left MS in 2010:
(add http at the start)
apparantly he joined nokia because he was supposed to make nokia a software company? eventually it has been turned to be exactly the opposite. He was a trojan from the very start
49. johnh3 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 15:56 0 2
The decline of Nokia as a company started with Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo the CEO before Stephen Elop. Nokia would have the same problem anyway even with Android, they went with Symbian to long.
Look at Sony and HTC:
Nokia will have 3 Windows Phone 8 devices at start:
So maybe now its not the best time to replace Elop.Personally I think Windows Phone 8 will be a boost for Nokia.
50. A.aoudi posted on 23 Aug 2012, 16:17 2 0
This (might) actully mean goodbye to windows phone platform. Elop deserves it.
51. pikapowerize (banned) posted on 23 Aug 2012, 18:59 1 0
yes... kick elop... let symbian live!!!!!!! i dont really know about if meltemi is real or not... but im dying to see it!!!!
WP is good but all out WP is bad... really bad!!!! symbian should still be supported coz its nokia's trade mark!!!
letting go of meego has been bad but now that meego people is working on a new company now its good!!!
dang it!!i will sign that petition if i could!!!! i cant wait to kick him out of the company!!!
53. GAZ082 posted on 23 Aug 2012, 23:46 1 0
Elop, an ex M$ employee has SOLD the company. Closed factories in Finland, shut down interesting projects, cut down R&D, fired Finnish employees, raped a company that in 2000 represented 4% of Finland GPD, a true symbol of Finland and Europe.
Nokia managers really though that bringing an American cowboy would give them much needed fresh blood and being foreigner, could make the painful cuts. The truth is, they sold Nokia's soul and reputation with its people and the world.
They still make the best hardware in the world, just get Android in it and millions will buy it! Differentiate with hardware and services, not the OS! If so, pcs companies such as Dell, HP, Asus, Samsung etc would have never jumped to those markets because Windows would no allow them to "differentiate", come on!
54. 7thspaceman posted on 24 Aug 2012, 00:54 0 0
Nokia was in bad shape before MR Elop got there but on a positive note the Windows "8" smart phones are a horse of a different color because they have the features and the physical electronics in them to finally compete with the Iphone and the higher end Android smart phones Nokia will now be selling people a very decent smart phones with Great Electronics and a new operating system that will give People the Apps they want.Developers like windows phone 8 and will write apps for it
59. pikapowerize (banned) posted on 25 Aug 2012, 00:42 0 0
but for now.. microsoft pay devs to develop apps for WP...
55. henrik6504 posted on 24 Aug 2012, 05:16 0 0
I dont understand why so angry and bitter comments about Elop and Windows Phone.
Android fan boys or what?
Microsoft are in the mobilmarket to stay.
Windows Phone maybe are not so big, but many users like it:
I guess many had hope that the collaboration between Nokia and MS would be a failure. But that was not the case.
58. pikapowerize (banned) posted on 25 Aug 2012, 00:27 1 0
well actually these are the REAL NOKIA FAN.. and the real nokia is symbian and the nokia before elop... they cant differentiate with WP coz even windows company cant do that... HP, Dell, samsung, acer, lenovo they all look the same to me!!!
i actually like lumia series but when holing one, i feel like its another device..not nokia-ish phone!! NOKIA IS SYMBIAN so they need to continue the support on that godfather platform!!!
56. Edmund posted on 24 Aug 2012, 11:23 0 0
I don't think so. Nokia's low end phones (Asha series, Lumia 603) are selling like hot cakes and come Q4-12 Q1-13 , so will their high end models.
Elop was merely disposing of the dead wood, which just happened to be of the Finnish variety.
60. henrik6504 posted on 25 Aug 2012, 06:35 0 0
What would happend if Nokia had gone the Android way?
I suppose same thing as for Samsung. I guess Apple go for Sony, HTC and the others now.