Motorola X Phone release slips to "August or later"
29. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Motorola definitely wouldn't be a first, second, nor third choice for a phone simply because of their previous behavior with their past phones.
$10 says a certain someone won't be jumping my case for commenting on Motorola's past mistakes.
33. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1376; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Ok, how about for a change I try. So now I think I've got you figured out.
Basically you're pro Apple in every aspect, anti Samsung in every aspect, & you or someone you know owned a Bionic and were let down by their support of it and now hate Moto as well.
Btw, don't know if you saw, but the Bionic is getting upgraded to Jellybean currently. I know it's not as quickly as you'd have it, but considering that sales weren't that great for it, it makes sense that the Bionic is the last to receive the update.
45. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Did you just bet 10 bucks that I wouldn't show up?
You just lost then.
By the way, you replied to my comments before I ever replied to yours.
Also, I don't know if you reviewed a certain previous article on the site that says that the most popular Android phone in the United States behind the Galaxy SIII is the Motorola XT912, denoting the Razr/Maxx. So yeah, I think Motorola's sales, at least in the US, will go okay. Just like Apple's still able to sell iPhones after Antennagate.
47. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Hook line and sinker
I figured with this article being Motorola related, you'd be commenting on it.
Antennagate was nearly 3 years ago, get over it. Motorola is still pretty much shafting customers out of critical updates.
50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5593; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
lol, your comebacks are so sad that it's actually quite amusing. xD
51. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Not as amusing as you trying to get my attention every time I address Sniggly.
54. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What's hilarious is this delusion you have that I respond to you as a result of some epic manipulation on your part. The truth is much simpler than that.
If you post something stupid and wrong, I will usually choose to correct you.
If a truck drives by at the same time every day on a road, you don't manipulate the truck into running you over if you throw yourself in the tire treads where the truck's gone every time before.
Who cares how long ago Antennagate was? It happened once, so obviously it's going to keep happening again and again in the future despite the fact that Apple hasn't made a phone with a bad antenna design since.
Unless you're saying that the only difference between Motorola and Apple is the time scale since their issues.
So tell me, for the sake of logical consistency, will you cease harping Motorola for one time issues once the update fiasco of summer 2012 is three years ago?
How about the Bionic incident? You should know that according to your internal clock since incidents, you only have about a year and a half left before you can't claim that Motorola will keep having Bionic style issues.
The only meaningful difference between what's happened for Motorola and what's happened for Apple is time scale.
For instance, according to the logic you're presenting, since Apple Maps happened after the update fiasco, we should all still rip on Apple Maps and claim no one should ever buy an iPhone since they have horrible map software.
53. Memo214 (Posts: 3; Member since: 12 Apr 2013)
Agreed. Never again after owning an Atrix 4g...
2. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)
Why spread rumors on a rumored change of a rumored release date on a rumored phone that does not exist?!!! Come on now!!!
9. dsDoan (Posts: 216; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
Why did you click on the article, which includes the name of a rumored phone, if you are not interested in rumors?
13. lyndon420 (Posts: 1735; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
He was expecting an explanation for the delay which wasn't provided in the title. Then again...that's just a rumor.
46. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)
Because I live in Chicago, Motorola's home city and the fact that the company's name is mentioned and the logo was used, I clicked on the article. You're dumb bro!
3. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2971; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I hope we don't get another Droid Bionic situation.
42. HäckeMáte (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)
The Bionic was a real fail in every sense.
4. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)
this is a major bummer, i was hoping for the new X Phone to be available by the time that my upgrade eligibility came around in july, but the June July release schedule was a rumor anyway. by that time Ill be deciding if I want to buy the X Phone or the new Nexus. but i have the s3 and Evo LTE, I guess I can wait.
my guess is that if they dont show it at I/O its because of the fact that they want to show case Glass and drum up major support for the and KLP... for better hardware integration if indeed it is being pushed back.
5. gmracer1 (Posts: 646; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
It's all speculation. Just wait for the I/O convention for hard facts.
6. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Really want to see the X phone come out cause it will most likely reduce the used phone market prices for current moto phones. Want to replace my iphone 4 but need to pay full price so I don't lose unlimited data. Used market for Droix razr maxx is still a lot.
7. stychill (unregistered)
I was waiting for this, unfortunately that time frame doesn't sit well with me. Hopefully its just a rumour
8. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
man that's a long ways away, motorola must be doing something big if it's going to take that long, the razr & maxx hd are starting to age.
15. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2971; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
"motorola must be doing something big if it's going to take that long"
Like I said above, Droid Bionic. Took an extra 6-7 months to finally be released and just for 2 months later to already have a successor. lol
17. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The difference is that the Bionic was a product that was already promised and shown off at CES that year, alongside the Atrix.
The biggest problem with the Bionic was that it used a dual core procesor with LTE, a hitherto unattempted combination, and no one anticipated the battery drain. My sources told me that the main issue was that the battery would only last about two hours during testing by Motorola and Verizon, so they had to shelve the original design completely.
The X phone, however, hasn't even been officially announced, so technically it could never see the light of day and we would have no justification to call Motorola or Google out on it. Now, if it's presented at I/O and THEN reaches Bionic status, THEN we'll talk. :P
25. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2971; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
true, I just hope they don't repeat history again lol.
I am very interested in what the X will be and look like. As much as I love Samsung, I am always open to switching to another.
26. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5593; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
the problem with the Etna was the combination of Nvidia's hardware and Motorola's first gen LTE radio to be more specific. it's a shame, the Etna was a good looking device. better looking than the Targa i think.
28. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2971; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Agreed, the original Bionic looked a lot nicer, I even liked the UI better, but it was OBVIOUSLY not ready, I still remember seeing it on here for the first time on video, it was painfully obvious they were not ready to release it prime time.
10. bubbadoes (Posts: 327; Member since: 03 May 2012)
Good job motorola. Blow this release like you did the bionic release 9 months later after announcing and the s4 and htc one will eat into your numbers
11. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Actually, I don't think it's too bad of a move. Announce a few weeks after the One and S4 release, allowing the X Phone to release a few months after the then-semi-outdated Android flagships and, possibly, just in time to crush the iPhone.
If it's good enough to convince potential One or S4 buyers to hold out, it should do relatively well at launch, and get a second wind if the iPhone lets down.
14. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
i don't think manufacturers need to worry about the iphone any more. It's still plenty popular in the US but most people are starting to realize there are better phones out there.
The 5s will probably just be minor hardware/software upgrades so I think motorola needs to focus more on taking away from potential gs4/one buyers.
22. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I do think that the S4 and One will be hugely successful, and that most people with upgrades looking for an Android flagship will probably get one of them before the X Phone comes out. However, keep in mind that Motorola is a Google subsidiary. If the X Phone were timed to compete with the S4 and One, and it ended up taking considerable market share from the top two Android manufacturers, it would probably drive OEMs away from Android. It won't kill Android, but will factor into decisions about Windows Phone or whatever new OSes start to come out.
If Google takes share from the iPhone instead of from HTC and Samsung, it's a win-win-win. Android gains market share, allowing for a better Play Store for everyone, Google makes money off of a successful phone, and the One and S4 don't lose many sales to Google.
I don't think that the X Phone's timing will do THAT much in terms of hurting the iPhone, but it's better to compete with the competition rather than allies. And if the iPhone is as big a disappointment as you think it will be (and I think that's fairly likely to be the case), Google should do a little better in terms of stealing market share.
12. jroc74 (Posts: 4732; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Since it was never officially announced...its not like the Bionic fiasco.
Everything about the release date has been rumor so far, nothing official. Not too many ppl even know this phone is coming out yet.
It could get scrapped....and still many ppl wouldnt even know about it.
30. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
And just like the Bionic they're going to quickly forget about it and pull a fast one on customers who purchased the phone.
A good concept marred by poor execution.
38. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Except, once again, they haven't done anything like that since the Bionic.
The best course of action probably would've been to cancel the model completely, but at this point the mistake is in the past.
You don't know how this will turn out, ESPECIALLY since Motorola is now owned by Google.
41. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
You're right I don't know. I don't have to know to point out that this is going to probably end up like the Bionic and be forgotten completely. Them being owned by Google doesn't change anything.
Look how quickly the Galaxy Nexus was forgotten.
Being owned by Google has absolutely no meaning here.
44. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Note that the only commonality between the two situations you're comparing (Bionic and Galaxy Nexus) was Verizon's involvement.
Note that since then, neither issue has been repeated. The biggest problem with the Nexus 4 for the first couple of months, for instance, was LG's inability to make them fast enough. Motorola's kept to a reasonable release schedule since the Bionic, and its products have come out on time.
Just like the update situation, you take one bad event and focus on it, ignoring Motorola's track record since.
The equivalent would be me assuming that every iPhone is going to have antenna issues just because the iPhone 4 had them.
48. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Verizon's involvement? Please. Every other phone from Motorola came out with no problems besides updates. Sounds like an excuse to me.
I'm not taking one bad event and focusing on it since this one bad event is still ongoing and you know it.
Again antennagate was nearly 3 years ago.
52. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1376; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Look, I don't know if it was you or someone you knew had the Bionic. But anyone who is pissed about it and didn't see it coming (released almost 9 months after it was shown, the original phone was basically scrapped and a new phone given it's name) you deserve what you got. Nevermind the fact that they originally opted to go with a chipmaker completely new to the scene for their first LTE phone. Besides that, there really wasn't any winner in the first class of LTE phones on Verizon. None of them, the Thunderbolt, Charge, Revolution, or Bionic were all that good of a phone.
I had the Thunderbolt for a couple months, but went back to my old phone until a better phone came out. In it's case, if HTC had released it the previous Fall as a 3G phone as originally intended, it might have been a better phone. But Verizon in it's infinite wisdom wanted to show off LTE and needed a model from each OEM and all of them were racing to get one out the door. That ensured that none of them were going to be a quality product. Had I known about this previously I wouldn't have touched any of them with a 10' pole.
But with the Bionic if you didn't see it coming, it's really your own fault. If anything Moto should've scrapped the Bionic and just went with the Razr series in it's place. They didn't have near the teething problems the Bionic did, and have been getting updates as decently as any other phone in it's class. If anything it was kind of a d**k move to release the Bionic with the Razr only a month or so out, but more than likely they were under contract to provide Verizon with a phone and had to fulfill the terms.
55. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No other phone was meant to be a dual core flagship for LTE like Verizon was.
The Bionic was the result of Verizon trying to rush its manufacturers to put out phones that supported LTE. If you'll recall every phone on Verizon with LTE support that came out that year had abysmal battery life and were nothing special specs wise. The Atrix, the Bionic's fraternal twin, came out on schedule and was updated on schedule until the ICS fiasco, which according to sources had to do with compatibility issues with the Nvidia Tegra 2.
The Bionic, on the other hand, was the thinnest, most powerful, and longest lasting LTE phone when it came out. Other than some bugs, it was a pretty nice phone. Even the software was up to date.
The only problem was that Motorola came out with a superior handset two months later.
It definitely hurt for people to see that; HOWEVER, since the Bionic had already been announced and promised, it would have probably been worse in the interceding months for Motorola to cancel the model completely, as it would have left them without a flagship phone on the nation's largest carrier until the last month of 2011. As it was, even with the Bionic launch, they still only had a single quarter of flagship phone sales on Verizon.
On the other hand, continuing to develop a retooled Bionic and keeping customers abreast of the fact that they planned its release before the end of summer ensured that some customers waited who might have otherwise bought a different phone first.
If I were in charge, I would have cancelled the phone and leaked details about the Razr a few months later. But I'm not in charge of Motorola, and neither is Sanjay Jha anymore.
And what's ongoing about the Bionic situation? Good god, man, name one incident where Motorola's released two flagships back to back since the Razr. You have almost a year and a half of time frame to refer to, so let's have it.
19. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
That's okay, Motorola and Google. Take your time. Get it right. I can't get a new phone on contract until August anyway.
And really, that time period will probably be when Google will want to reveal its latest OS iteration, so if it's released later and has newer software, I'll be happy.
27. milesboy5 (Posts: 146; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
I also have an upgrade in August but doesn't it seem weird that Motorola a Google owned company has a device that is rumored to come out at the same time of the year the the Nexus line has become accustomed to releasing. Wouldn't that take some buzz away from one or the other?
39. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You're only saying that because it's been said by others in the comments section.
It's already been explained why the analogy doesn't hold up and won't unless the model is announced and THEN delayed for half a year.
All things considered, Motorola did a good job releasing a completely brand new device after only 7 months of development or less that didn't actually perform that badly.
40. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I'm only saying it because it's the truth. Plain and simple.
It's been announced and hinted at before but as you can see the details about it are still shrouded in secrecy.
All things considered, I think that's more less an excuse than actual props to Motorola for the Bionic.
43. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, the X has NOT been announced yet. Jesus, man, check your facts. I won't always be around to do that for you.
The X at this point is a ghostly prototype, a work in progress with a million conflicting rumors as to its true nature. We see this all the time with phones.
So until the phone gets announced and THEN pushed back by several months, you're doing nothing but talking out of your ass.
49. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
I check my facts. I'm not harping on continuously about a 3 year old issue that was resolved quite easily.
56. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Are you joking? Antennagate was never resolved. You can still buy a brand new AT&T iPhone 4 and induce the antenna short just like you could 3 years ago.
If you're referring to a case, do you realize how retarded it sounds to say "hur hur, all you have to do to fix our fundamental design flaw is buy a cover which completely negates the design of the phone!"
Apple released a phone with a fundamental hardware design flaw and acted like arrogant assholes when confronted about it. Prior to Antennagate, manufacturers apologized for fundamental design flaws, fixed those fundamental design flaws, and issued replacements to customers who bought the products with the fundamental design flaws.
And no, no one really harps on Apple for Antennagate anymore. I'm bringing it up to show you how absolutely FU.CKING ridiculous you sound to me when you bring up two issues from Motorola which weren't repeated since they happened.
I double fuc.king dog dare you to refute, WITH EVIDENCE, the following statement:
Motorola hasn't released two flagships back to back since the Bionic, and they have not reneged on any promises to update phones since the Atrix/Electrify/Photon.
See? Can't do it, can you? Now then, can you please drop this issue once and for all so we can argue about other stupid bullsh.it?
20. ProblemSolver15 (Posts: 134; Member since: 14 Jun 2010)
I'll say it again. This Moto X phone is a hoax. And, I'll say it again....I hope I'm wrong about that notion. This really sucks because I'm on Verizon and the only high end phone that I would consider replacing my S3 with is the HTC One, which we're probably not getting, and the S4, which I don't really see as upgradeable. The Moto X was my dark horse.
This makes me sad. Lol
21. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6436; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Guys I keep telling stop reading B.S. articles that doesn't mean anything. first they say JULY now they say DEC now this article doesn't mean for crap. JUST WAIT till the official press conference GOOGLE I/O before jumping too conclusing.
23. imkyle (Posts: 983; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
Kind of a bummer, but like myself I am more excited to see 5.0 and the next Nexus 7 hopefully. The Nexus 4 is still a very good phone.
24. ckoch125 (Posts: 191; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
I will get whatever is available when I am due for an upgrade in July. If this isn't out or anything more concrete on it then oh well. Those of us on verizon will probably get screwed on this anyway like with the nexus
32. Note2waitingonNote3 (banned) (Posts: 87; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)
Definetly not worth waiting on. The Galaxy Note 3 will be KING of android from September to July of 2014.
34. darkskoliro (Posts: 970; Member since: 07 May 2012)
Its going to be better in terms of hardware because of S800, but really who cares :) its going to be out half a year too late for the competition.
36. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5401; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
I'm not gonna wait for this, still love my Xperia Z! :)
37. Daftama (Posts: 563; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Motorola is dying just BB..sucks but its the truth they dont even know what to do with the phone thats why they are stalling by than N3 will ne out I6 will be out game changers