Here's why Apple's quarter is not only record shattering - it's historic
1. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2870; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Calm down, its impressive but relax.....lol
37. jamrockjones (Posts: 345; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I just can't believe how much profit margin they have. Does no one else see this as a negative thing but me. All that I see is that your paying for a brand rather than a product!
41. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I really think people take these things way to seriously. Buy your devices because you enjoy it and it makes you happy. I'm telling you now that people very much enjoy their iPhones. Android is not the best and neither is iOS. If you want customization, go with Android. If you want fluidity and quality applications, go with iOS.
It's fine that you don't understand/like it, but you do have to accept it.
53. BattleBrat (Posts: 884; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Actually there are apps, like spotify, that are better on android, they are laid out better, the whole "quality apps" argument has gone out the window.
2. kylie (Posts: 9; Member since: 22 Jan 2012)
the biggest reason was the death of steve job which was a free huge ad campaign for apple
33. deago78 (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Kind of s**tty to say even if you hate apple.
57. kylie (Posts: 9; Member since: 22 Jan 2012)
its not about hate popy. its a big factor. all news papers , media agencies praised apple and steve jobs. It created a huge buzz about apple....
51. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
is it just me or have i not seen one add from apple over steve jobs?... somehow i doubt they are sitting in the board room praising his death
3. c.hack (Posts: 487; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)
Samsung makes commercials
Apple makes iPhones.
4. sgogeta4 (Posts: 390; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
You're a retard. Without Samsung, the iPhone would not exist since half the parts are made from Samsung.
7. c.hack (Posts: 487; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)
And your a douchebag. Without Apple, Samsung would not know how to even make a phone - all they know how to do is copy American products.
10. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Many many current companies have been making phones long before apple so your comment is not only ridiculous but hilarious,your ifan stupidity level certainly is without question.
14. ryq24 (Posts: 442; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
without apple samsung will not have any idea how to make a smartphone or design one at that. samsung just copied what apple does.
15. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Hmmmm......these article seems to show facts of samsung making phones years before apple decided to make one and brought new innovating tech and ideas even in those periods
and articles like these
44. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@andro. Is that why Samsung's bada os is the most successful os in the world?
43. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@sgo. Without Samsung, Apple will just have to get their parts somewhere else :)
6. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Apple actually makes very little of the iphone itself,most parts come from LG or Samsung,but being an ifan your under the mental illusion apple makes everything. Apple did design the iphone antenna which has been proven to be faulty,dropping calls or creating silent calls so rejoice,one of their main designs for the phone is its biggest flaw!
9. c.hack (Posts: 487; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)
Its no secret that most products we buy are Manufactured in Asia, but most of the price of an iPhone stays in the USA. The design, engineering, profits, etc., are in the U.S.
As for the antenna, the 4s corrected the iPhone 4 mistake. I have a 4s and 2 Droid Incredible 2's in the family and the 4s always, always has a stronger signal, and it does not drop calls where the DI2's do.
The iPhone is not perfect, but it is far better than any of the many many Android phones I have used.
12. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Work in the phone industry for any length of time and you will see complaints from customers of all phone models including the 4s that reception is much poorer on their iphone compared to other phones they've had
25. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I have heard that the battery life is a little worse on the 4s than the 4 but not really the reception. Then again, I am not a user or do I work in the industry so I guess my comment may not mean much.
46. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@andro. Please read and compare customer satisfaction surveys. The iphone is ahead of any android oem's by a significant lead.
49. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
But those indoctrined in the ios system have no choice but to be satisfied with apples product as there is no other manufacturer available to them and as such they have to be satisfied with what they got,numerous weekly faults reported or not.
In hindsight the freedom of choice and manufacturer in android means users have the mental freedom to question the pros and cons of their current manufacturer and gauge satisfaction ans next purchase from this
54. BattleBrat (Posts: 884; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
And now, if memory serves, Apple is getting sued by Motorola for that antenna.
45. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@andro. But you're forgetting one little thing that makes the idevices alive. Ios. Did samsung and lg also make ios?
50. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
thank god they don't make or use ios,as it would be the same ui growing stale year after year,with every 'new' phone like the iphone if they did! The innovation each year to be the best android manufacturer would cease to exist
52. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@andro. Stale? Didn't you just read this article? Lol. For a stale OS, it does make a hefty profit :)
You're just jealous :)
17. cgyspy (Posts: 13; Member since: 25 Jan 2012)
Good artist copy.........Great artist steal...........
Who said this?? LOL
47. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
It was some famous painter. It was Picasso I believe. You thought it was SJ huh?
5. Slammer (Posts: 817; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
----" You might notice all of the rest are oil and gas companies."----
----" While Walmart made nearly double the revenue, Apple had four times the profits."----
These quotes should provide information to the people that someone is getting ripped off when purchasing Apple products. Can anyone not see the big picture here?
The first quote is alarming. Only the oil companies are raking in larger profits. That alone, is a red flag. Everyone talks about how greedy and how crooked these oil companies are. Yet, when it comes to Apple, it is perfectly acceptable?
While many will try to break down the differences, the end results still prove that somebody is severely overcharging for products. The common denominator is equated and can't be refuted. Apple has been around for 30 years and almost passed away. However, in the last 10 years, they have gone from broke to almost the richest company in the world. Most of the turnaround has been since the iPhone was introduced. Does this not pose questions amoung this generation? Are people really this naive? Was our generation smarter to understand Apple's continual intent or were we stupid to not install some common sense into our offspring that they should beware of fast money making schemes?
So to look at the statistics that these profits as being historic, is indeed truth. Truth that no company has manipulated society more than Apple. For a company to be resuscitated from brink of extinction to profit margins like seen here in just a short time, should in all reality, spark some scepticism on who is being taken.
Remember, this is the same Apple company that has always made Apple products. The only difference is that the generation has changed. A generation that is completely oblivious to how Apple operates. A generation that fell in love with a revolutionary device. Apple made great products in our day. Why didn't Apple make these profits then? Because our generation wasn't duped by shiny things and being strung along with carrot dangling.
Apple has just been proven to have locked down Siri just like they have done numerous lockdowns in the past. They then open them up on the next iteration of the product and claim "More Advanced". This all boils down to getting customers to pay another installment on something that they should've had from the start.
Is Apple smart, or is this generation dumb? Quality is a great attribute. However, society should never compromise their integrity in allowing a company to overtake their dignity.
When will people realize this?
16. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)
You talk up good points but you fail to elaborate. Your points hold no water and in their current form are just speculation of greed and corruption. Please provide accurate details to validate your claims. Otherwise you are just as bad as a tabloid paper! Or better yet you have an agenda to see Apple fail.
30. Slammer (Posts: 817; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I have no wish to see Apple fail. Apple has brought a needed push in the industry as far as State of the art devices. However, since the iPhone, we have witnessed dramatic price plan changes that greatly effect the negative aspects of consumer balance between carrier and customer.
A company that commands a 70% profit margin on every single device while supporting overseas employment yet claims to be an American company.
While many business people see this as a success story, I will again say I don't want to see Apple fail. My hope is that more people see Apple as it is. They are not who people percieve them as.
I presume you may have been part of my generation although not sure. However, I owned and supported Macs. Proprietary ecosystems have advantages and I admire Apple's vertical integrational practice.
I just can't comprehend how a company goes from teetering on bankruptsy to one of the wealthiest in the world in ten short years without someone making sacrifices. It is not Apple that has made these concessions. You like Apple, I like Apple. But I don't support how they are making these profits. While it may be perceived as more of an ethical stance, I'm pretty sure the financial practice behind corporate doors verses how they monkey the public are two different things.
Maybe you and I have two different definitions of greed.
The iPhone 3G had a 600Mhz processor locked down to 350 Mhz. They then unlocked the processor and claimed it was faster and throws an S on the end so people line up in record numbers to purchase this faster iPhone. Technically, they were right but also ripping consumers off in the process. Geeks knew this by jailbreaking the iPhone to run faster. A recent jailbreak, proved that Siri is capable of far more, yet kept it off this iteration. No doubt Apple will unveil the new iPhone with better Siri advancements by unlocking the program.This is how Apple operates and continues this path.
Maybe it's me, but I don't like being strung along like that. It can only happen so many times before I say something isn't right here.
39. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)
I definitely respect you opinions (facts) because you were able to provide details (used loosely). I agree to some extent on your points but we both know we can argue this out until we are both blue\red in the face. It’s hard to argue semantics in such an argument.
I did not mean to insult or question your comments. I just like seeing users who post provide a better argument (which you have). I think we can both agree that there are plenty of users here that simply state their opinions blindly.... I like to call the hipsters....lol
Anyhow... great points... good facts... but open to discussion!
42. E.N. (Posts: 2218; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
But realize the 3G was still one of the fastest phones during that same time period. Android manufactures also under clock their devices. The iPhone 4S, even though under clocked, was the fastest smartphone until the Droid Razr came along.
Also Android manufacturers are known for limiting processing power of their devices. The #1 reason for rooting is to over clock.
I'm not going top pretend I know how Apple got back on top, but I do know that they made a lot of effort to really push their products to their consumers. They pushed their iPods and many companies didn't really compete until it was really too late. They made strong efforts to make Macintosh computers and laptops widely available in schools. Now they're pushing iPads and textbooks to schools also. Where are the competitors with iBooks 2 alternative!!! The race has started for that market and Apple is the only company with an alternative that can possibly become widespread and standard.
They introduced the iPhone which was a crazy product back in 2007. Then they introduced the application store in 2008, which made me purchase the iPhone 3G. They introduced crazy pricing at $200 (which was unheard of for top smartphones at the time) because they said their goal was to have the iPhone available to as many people as possible.
There is no ripping off of consumers. People know what they're buying. Apple just introduces great products and makes much better executive decisions. Pricing the iPhone at $200 was a genius move
19. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
very true and sad.
26. snowgator (Posts: 3159; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Okay, here we are staring Apples success straight in the face, and the Apple haters just want to pile on. REALLY?? Is everyone this insecure on Apple that when this kind of monster numbers roll in we have to attack things just to belittle them? There is such a HUGE laundry list of things Apple does which is actually bad that to say the blanket "They make money, they HAVE to be evil" is beneath the Phone Arena crowd.
"Apple made great products in our day. Why didn't Apple make these profits then? Because our generation wasn't duped by shiny things and being strung along with carrot dangling."
Geez, I guess all the riots over Cabbage Patch Kids, the explosion of the ".com" industry and bubble that burst causing the recession of of the late 90's, the real estate get rich schemes, junk bonds, and all the other crap "our" generation fell for was wayyyy better, huh?
"Only the oil companies are raking in larger profits. That alone, is a red flag. Everyone talks about how greedy and how crooked these oil companies are. Yet, when it comes to Apple, it is perfectly acceptable?"
Again, instead of buying into the headline generating, bar stool rambling garbage of how "greedy" these oil companies are, how about parking your car in the garage and ride your bike, shut off the heat and AC in your house and just throw an extra blanket on the couch or open your windows? Of course you won't. No one will. It is unreasonable to ask. So, understand these greedy companies provide the largest demand in the world, and as such supply/demand drives their profits sky high. Apple is the same. They took an existing need, put it into a package, pushed entertainment and apps, and now have the most sought after product and supply/demand pushes their profits. We can slam them for not coming out with anything new, but why should they??? Their profits per handset is AMAZING!!! I do not own one, would not own one, do not want one. Do I support their decisions? Sure. Hard to argue with success.
I can, and often do, make the argument that Apple is peaking right now. They are turning huge profits, but are not making anything groundbreaking. They are slowing down in updates and the space between new devices is growing. At some point, the fact that all the competition is focusing on either hardware or software and they are still doing both will catch up to them. At some point, they will feel pressure and push a truly bad product to market and have no plan "B" and that will catch up to them. At some point, they may just get fat and lazy. But right now, they are the top guns. They are the motor that drives mobile. Their products drive the industry. You should at least RESPECT that.
27. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I guess I cannot say that Apple does not have its issue in terms of what they may do. I am no fan of any company who uses the courts much like they have and I am also not a fan of their closed ecosystem. But the difference between Apple and oil companies is that oil companies produce a product that we have no choice but to use unless we want to ride bikes everywhere, which is unthinkable for most people. Our cars use their oil converted to gasoline and we use it everyday. There is no way around the oil unless we are buying electric cars.
However, Apple products are bought by people who seem to want what they have. No one forces anyone to purchase a product made by them. Their record profits are a factor of many things like advertising, price, usability, and several other things that make them appealing to some people. Its just a fact just as Android appeals to other people. People in their case choose them. Just how it is.
34. c0roo2k2 (Posts: 3; Member since: 25 Jan 2012)
While you have a lot of good points, you're forgetting one thing. People have free will to spend their money on products they feel have value to them. I work in the Wireless industry and I'm a fan of both the Android platform and the IOS devices. Hell- I even miss my blackberry some days! But having owned both a Droid and an Iphone I have to say that Apple's products harken back to a time in America when the goods we purchased were built to last A WHOLE LOT LONGER. You know how they say "they don't make 'em like they used to"? Well Apple still does, and in my opinion (and obviously many other people with some money to spend) feel the same way. So don't hate. If you don't like Apple buy a Droid Razr- Those are just as good if not a little less reliable.
55. BattleBrat (Posts: 884; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
The RAZR should be an example of how phones should be built, there arent too many phones built like the iPhone, HTC makes a couple (The Titan, but it is a windows phone, and despite the AWESOME ratings it has been getting, has a design flaw due to it's epic Aluminum and glass build).
The RAZR breaks the "Rubberized plastic brick" build that most Android phones fall under, and it also works beautifully and (for me at least) provides me with my much needed battery life.
36. pattypatterson (Posts: 48; Member since: 28 May 2010)
I must say out of all the tech blogs that I frequent I thoroughly enjoy reading your perspective and look forward to doing so in the future! I wish more people were as articulate, educated, and as level headed as you.
8. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Seeing as the iphone costs way more than other smartphones,are susceptible to break easy (as a recent phonearena article disclosed) thus needing to be replaced often,and also considering how ifans are mentally challenged enough that they'll easily buy every 'new' apple phone thats released even if it is the exact same as their current phone phone just with an s in the name then these results are expected.
21. r41nier (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
iPhone 4S maybe the same outside but definitely differrent inside. iFans are not mentally challenged. I'm not an iFan, but I know many people who has an iPhone that has a Ph.D. degree.
35. ZayZay (Posts: 548; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
"but I know many people who has an iPhone that has a Ph.D. degree."
So with that, I'm guessing you don't have a PH.D?
11. c.hack (Posts: 487; Member since: 09 Dec 2009)
Idiot Troll post. The facts show that Android phones are returned 10 times as often as iPhones.
Typical for droidlet fanboys that have to upgrade every 3 months because their phones go obsolete that fast and get no updates. Too dimwitted to get an iPhone. lol
13. andro. (Posts: 1927; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
The iphone 4 has been the most returned phone for faults and 28 day doa testing that we've ever had bar none and became a complete nightmare, So much so that we tried not selling it if possible for a while and had to inform every customer of the situation with it prior to buying to try avoid angry returns.In retrospect we've prob only had maybe 8 sgs2 returned over the space of ten months and considering its very high sale volumes thats quite an achievement Your lack of knowledge of android phones going obsolete or not getting upgrades shows you know nothing of the os eco system
31. snowgator (Posts: 3159; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I Trust you on the returns, andro. I have seen very little in the actual numbers, but from what I have gathered from your posts, most of what you say has been supported by what I ask of my area mobile stores. I do know Androids on Gingerbread have been so much better supported and updates have come smooth. Google and manufacturers are working MUCH better with carriers to make them great, smoother experiences. I imagine ICS will only be better. Another reason why I think Apple may have peaked.
20. dirtydirty00 (Posts: 244; Member since: 21 Jan 2011)
EVERYONES RIGHT! IT IS IMPRESSIVE! but i mean common... look at the meatballs that live in this country... is it the least bit surprising?
23. deacz (Posts: 147; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
"- Apple’s margins are staggering. While Walmart made nearly double the revenue, Apple had four times the profits."
24. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I think its good that any company can make such profits. In this day and age I imagine I would be impressed as a business owner as well. However, some of those numbers must be put into a little perspective.
The biggest being that Apple makes its own hardware and software and controls its whole ecosystem. Google does not make hardware just like Microsoft does not make hardware. The only company that has a model similar to Apple would be Nokia or RIM, which both are going through transitions and thus cannot compare.
Selling more iPads than HP is impressive even as HP readjusts itself, that is quite note worthy. Although the desktop PC market has been dying down for a while now because people want smaller things, i.e. things like tablets.
The thing that gets me the most though but that does not get much credit is the margins. Apple has great profit margins which is why profits and revenue are what they are. If they continue to do that, they will most likely be around for a very long time. Will a quarter like this happen again?
Its possible but as I said before that competition will probably get crazy intensive starting this year on everything from smartphones to tablets to ultrabooks (maybe). If Apple manages to maintain these numbers with that, I hang my hat to them. But 2012 will tell a great deal about how creative Apple can get. Good for them.
29. snowgator (Posts: 3159; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I think the iPad is a cash cow for a generation to come. Apple is seeing the need to get into business/schooling with the iPad, and as both Android and Windows attempts to fight for the consumer dollars, Apple will have the leg up in tablet professional dollars and educational cash. (Windows is trying to branch out in these directions with their tablets coming out with W8 more than the consumer money, but is still light years behind.)
When the blue crap did I become an Apple defender on this post???? I am not sure I like it.....
32. blazee (Posts: 239; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
Most of the parts in iphones and ipodas are not made by apple, rather by the other companies they actually rival with. Their profit margins are this great because their phones are assembled over seas at companies like foxconn, where they get have subhuman working environment and get severely under payed for their labor.
40. jstoned (Posts: 36; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)
Apple is for I tarded Communists. Steve Jobs dying was a blessing the world lost one of its biggest fascist. Down with Communist Apple.
48. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Congratulations to Apple. But please don't post your earnings anymore. It causes android fans to go nuts, lol. Just keep everything a secret and just let android fans believe that you're bankcrupt :)
I hope PA stops posting articles about Apple. But then if they don't, android fans would still go to Cult of Mac (which has nothing to do with them), and still comment negatively. Dear lord.
Since fandroids believe in whatever they want to believe. Why do you guys even bother reading articles about Apple's earnings. Obviously you guys think it's nothing much. So why are you guys here?
56. BattleBrat (Posts: 884; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I'm an apple fan, I have 3-400 apps, most (95%+)of them paid, and maybe 100 android apps, half of them paid. But apple nuts are my biggest turnoff to Apple, the boards of those apple enthusiast websites are completely off the wall, they attack people who make logical points, they're all like Taco, what a nightmare.. still getting the iPhone 5 though....
58. chaosnightmare (Posts: 31; Member since: 20 May 2010)
I once had and ipod and the interface and costumization level were just stupid, you can't even use the damn thing as mass storage unit, its not a surprize that they are fluid, it would be funny that these devices had any lag with a simple OS, its just annoying how it depends of itunes, they just update their devices every year adding features that other brands improved months / years before, ipads also are one of the most useless things ever created, since they use the same processors and almost the same display resolutions as the phone version (not near as usefull as a good laptop and not as portable as a smarthphone),iDevices are just old devices with new processors, the only good thing i found in them was the battery life since they are also overprized now. apple have those stats just because there's a lot of easily impressionable fools updating their idevices every year for a pair of new features because apple told them to do it.