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HTC sued by Apple over patents

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HTC sued by Apple over patents
Apple filed a lawsuit against HTC today, claiming that the Taiwanese based manufacturer infringed on more than 20 Apple patents. The patents relate to the iPhone's UI, hardware and architecture. Besides filing the suit in U.S. District Court in Delaware, the Cupertino based firm also filed a complaint with the International Trade Commission. Apple CEO Steve Jobs explained why Apple is going forward with the legal action when he said, "We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We’ve decided to do something about it, we think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours.” Interestingly, BGR recently spoke with HTC officials about why they started including multitouch support in some of its newer handsets like the Hero. The response was that HTC's legal team felt confident about using it, especially in light of other competitors like Palm using it. HTC is learning today that you can't fool with Mother Nature.

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posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:45

1. Kappy (Posts: 108; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)

sucks, could delay the release of upcoming HTC phones, possibly the incredible.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:06

15. sinfulta (Posts: 274; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)

Nothing will happen to HTC about the multi-touch. LG lost that battle almost two years ago, because the technology was not created by EITHER of them. IBM created the first touch screen in the late 1960's , and a Educational Company called Control Data in 72' Made a PLATO 4 Computer terminal for education that had a touch interface. University of Toronto created Multi-Touch at Bell Labs, then was not released to the public till 85' and it was a multi-touch tablet. Later on in the early early 90's there was a device before Palm pilots and Handsprint called "Digital Desk" that did the same multi-finger and pinching and zoom motions. What I mentioned above is why LG lost the lawsuit against Apple for the Prada about Apple was saying that was a technology they created. Well it wasn't. It was neither of them. So should all web browsing touch screen phones have it? Yes they should. And if anything they should be hiring or paying these old research developers or paying these companies if they are in still in business they're royalties. My .02 cents.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:12

2. ekie84 (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Mar 2010)

is multitouch really an apple patern????apple s****!!!!

posted on 03 Mar 2010, 03:43

35. mcmkone (Posts: 54; Member since: 24 Mar 2009)

Nope it's a Nokia one and they owe Nokia for paying up like all the other mani's do...!! watch this space or google it your see...

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:17

3. herbiederb (Posts: 275; Member since: 28 Jan 2010)

Hopefully Google comes to the defense of HTC. Why not sue Google while you're at it?.. and Blackberry?.. and Microsoft? Apple is becoming more and more COMMUNIST everyday. And why is the U.S. patent office allowing patents on multitouch, power throttling to conserve energy, and swipe gestures to unlock, when it existed before the Iphone. When did they start to grant patents so easily? HTC has been in the phone business a lot longer than Apple and has been innovating all along. I can see a countersuit from HTC coming out of this. Go HTC! btw... I'm going to patent using two hands to type when I reinvent the keyboard.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:39

6. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

Jobs is going after the manufacturer of Sense: arguably the best and most usable WinMo skin. I'm guessing this is a move to cut into Microsoft sales in response to the attention that Windows phone 7 Series is getting [even though you supposedly can't skin 7 Series]. Google hasn't made too much of an effort [imho] to make stock Android interface versions truly pretty and Android seems to be immune iPHone OS [at least for males] so maybe they thought HTC was a ripe target and not Google? Besides with HTC splitting between WinMo and Android, skinning Sense onto Android and making the Nexus One, and with the most anticipated 7 Series lineup, hitting HTC may just be an effective way of doing away with their most dangerous competition since Google and Microsoft are not manufacturers...

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:39

7. Rhetoric (Posts: 74; Member since: 25 Jul 2009)

What are you talking about, Apple is the farthest thing from Communist. If you want to label them with some arbitrary political term, Fascism would fit best. Damn our educational system.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:44

8. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

If you are going to patent using two hands when you type, I'm going to patent actually touching the keys to type. Maybe I should patent the alphabet or language itself so I can sue everyone!

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:49

9. jhoots (Posts: 74; Member since: 13 Jan 2010)

apple is more like a totalitarianism.. lol

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:50

10. jhoots (Posts: 74; Member since: 13 Jan 2010)

or patent speaking with your mouth!! so, when people start using their phones to talk again you can reinvent and patent the conversation..

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:56

20. herbiederb (Posts: 275; Member since: 28 Jan 2010)

Seems pretty COMMUNIST to me and many others.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 20:11

31. techie123 (Posts: 54; Member since: 25 Mar 2009)

Totally agree that the US patent office approves way way WAY too many patents. Sometimes there are even overlapping patents - just ridiculous! In international law, you cannot patent an idea or method - only something tangible - so a swipe to unlock a phone is NOT patentable. So, even if Apple wins this case here, it will not be enforceable anywhere else in the world! We need to follow those same rules in the US now.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 21:35

32. techie123 (Posts: 54; Member since: 25 Mar 2009)

Hey, that gives me an idea. Why don't I go patent the binary numbering system! Then pretty much every company in the world would owe me gazillions!

posted on 08 Mar 2010, 10:59

40. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

The binary number system would infringe on my supposed language patent, then I would have to decide to act like Steve Jobs or not...

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:21

4. Galen20K (Posts: 541; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

oh man.... *shakes head* here we go AGAIN! lame

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:28

5. ultimate booyah (Posts: 1; Member since: 15 Dec 2009)

Wow. But not sue Palm! How about the LG Prada phone a few years back, Out before the iphone, was at the time alot like thee iphone. How about Alexander bell & two way communication I used to compare apple to Toyota They take other ideas then tweak it apple. NOW with their benign success they remind me of something worse then what Microsoft was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU I stole this from Boy genius comments section Please don't sue me

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 10:55

11. jhoots (Posts: 74; Member since: 13 Jan 2010)

what is apple supposed to do?? let people steal their inventions back??

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:03

12. cansler (Posts: 136; Member since: 07 Oct 2009)

Don't you just love this sue-happy litigious society? Apple get's sued over patent infringements, and saw how it hurt, now they want to sue HTC over something they stole anyway. You all remember they just got legal right to all their iToy patents. I bet they are trying to recoup some of their legal losses...

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:03

13. jundibasam (Posts: 119; Member since: 05 Aug 2009)

Apple needs to be dismantled and done away with. This is why I will never buy an Apple product because they claim to be a different type of company that is socially and economically responsible, yet they are even worse when dealing with their competitors than Microsoft is. Apple makes good products and is probably the best innovator out there, but that doesn't give them the right to take advantage of their brand and use it to bash and attack legitimate competition.

posted on 03 Mar 2010, 03:38

34. mcmkone (Posts: 54; Member since: 24 Mar 2009)

Let's not forget now Apple patents on touch screen is not really theirs hence the reason Nokia is sueing them hard.. Every company that makes a touch screen phone have to pay nokia some cash and Apple has been ducking and diving this and now it's caught up with them... watch what's gonna happen before the end of this year... Apple are going to take a big hit into the billions...lol

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:05

14. Steven58 (Posts: 80; Member since: 25 Nov 2009)


posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:30

16. zerglisk (Posts: 544; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)

Apple should China making OPhone or any other similar devices, lol

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:31

17. zerglisk (Posts: 544; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)

I mean Apple should SUE China making OPhone....

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:31

18. numberonenygfan (Posts: 211; Member since: 19 Oct 2009)

I cant beleive peole care so much about multi touch and the fact that steve jobs is angry hes losing market share due to these cool htc devices that are being launched. Every big company piggy backs of others ideas its the way of the world, and i agree with the guy commented about the ibm and their multi touch being created a long time ago. just because apple was the first to put it on a PHONE doesnt mean they built it.. steve jobs is shaking in his baby booties that his i phone may be put to rest in the coming years.. and that they have warehouses with ipads already collecting dust.. lol here is to HTC and Google leading the way!!!

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 11:37

19. fsjon (Posts: 119; Member since: 03 Sep 2009)

Just to be clear...doesn't patent expire after a certain amount of years? So in a sense you can't say it was from an older patent since that was invalid. Apple was recently granted the gestures patent, so legally they have every right for legal action against almost everyone(everyone within the scope of this article).

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 12:12

22. biggles (Posts: 222; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)

Apple had the patent on overcharging consumers but that ran out 20 years ago. People still buy their products, so what's the big concern here?

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 12:18

23. jedi2000 (Posts: 31; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)

Even though they have the given right to sue doesn't mean that they should, I personally expect much more from Mr. Jobs. Just because someone takes your idea and changes it for their own use doesn't give them reason to sue. This reality gives them reason to get off their high horse and get down to work on something new, and let the competition thrive thus giving them something to strive for and overcome. I hope HTC wins the law suit and Apple is put into their place, and then maybe this will humble Mr Jobs and they will make something worth wile again. Who thinks the I-phone is old news?

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 12:52

24. herbiederb (Posts: 275; Member since: 28 Jan 2010)

Seems to me like Jobs and the people at Apple dont want to work and innovate... look at the iPad. They just want to sell you incremental upgrades. Bet the next iPad has a camera. The lay public is starting to catch on and their feeling the pressure.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 16:54

28. phonedemocracy (Posts: 98; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)

Just because a patent runs out after a few years doesnt mean you can repatent it. It becomes available to use for everyone, and the public (meaning other businesses) have the right to utilize the technology. Multi Touch wasn't invented by Apple.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 17:09

29. biggles (Posts: 222; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)

The problem here is that the US patent office is WORTHLESS.

posted on 03 Mar 2010, 14:52

37. fsjon (Posts: 119; Member since: 03 Sep 2009)

Don't know how I got -4...but yea you got it to the nail biggles. Why did they even allow apple to hold a patent so broad and general is above me. Just in the legal sense, I see no problem with Apple taking legal action with HTC. After all, it's all business and money talks.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 12:09

21. biggles (Posts: 222; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)

God is now suing Apple for using a logo that belongs to him. Kinda hard to dispute as it dates back to the beginning of man. He's suing for $800 billion in royalties, and, guess what, he already won so expect Apple to close its doors at the end of the month. Sorry iphone users! Find a door to jam that thing under.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 14:10

25. CHEFJEFF (Posts: 143; Member since: 22 Sep 2009)

Steve Jobs is a pussy! He needs to stop whining already. The real deal is that he is worried the mighty iPhone won't be what it once was because HTC has, and is coming out with some kick ass Smartphones. Competition is good, it only helps the consumer. He should build a better iPhone, it's been pretty much the same for years.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 15:30

27. numberonenygfan (Posts: 211; Member since: 19 Oct 2009)

100% correct! my friend Jeff over here is a smart man. Apple claims to lead in innovation and comes out with these amazing computers and phones. If they are so great, make a product that cant be beat... make it bigger stronger and faster.. or at least pump out a new model.. make it look different give the os a name .. like tiger snow lepord.. etc... dont sue people because you dont want to change what works.. to be competetive in todays world you gotta change things and make them different/better and the i phone has been virtually the same pos for four years. the average shelf life for a phone on any other netowork isnt even a year if its a really good one it may be available for maybe a year and a half. seriously jobs, get a life, and some commen sense and invest in some creativity! thats like a pro sports team suing their players because they sign with another team after their contract runs out, because you didnt want to pay them to stay! lol go find new players!!!!

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 14:42

26. scottmbolt (unregistered)

I would LOVE to just pull that gay little black turtleneck sweater over Steve Jobs' head and give him a few jabs and cross punches... hockey style. Poor baby knows that Android is eating away at his market share, so he will now cry like a little baby.

posted on 02 Mar 2010, 17:11

30. biggles (Posts: 222; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)

Apple is demanding a jury trial. I'd LOVE to be on that jury. "We the jury find in favor of the defendant and recommend a damage award of US$300 million from Apple." Then I'd whip out my Nexus One to snap a picture of the look on Steve Jobs' face.

posted on 10 Mar 2010, 09:17

42. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

Make sure you use an Apple patented gesture to take the picture on your Nexus One just to rub it in!

posted on 03 Mar 2010, 01:53

33. matt1q2aw3 (unregistered)

Who knew you could patent a turd??????????

posted on 05 Mar 2010, 23:01

39. numberonenygfan (Posts: 211; Member since: 19 Oct 2009)


posted on 03 Mar 2010, 08:58

36. techie123 (Posts: 54; Member since: 25 Mar 2009)

Oh Yea! This give me an idea. I'm gonna patent the method of putting together a bunch of letters to make a word. Then I'd be able to sue the users of every language out there (besides hieroglyphics and Mandarin Chinese). LOL.

posted on 04 Mar 2010, 19:38

38. sleepyjohnny (Posts: 151; Member since: 16 Dec 2009)

okay... so apple, the company that has all its life come out with stuf after everybody else, is now suing a company that breathed life and originallity into the smart phone market. oh and theyre suing someone who's been at it the game longer. suing someone who has an alliance with google. everything about the iphone is really stolen. the name = the name of some other phone. the design, sorry to break it down, was stolen from the LG prada. also, the "slide to unlock" is nothing like the multiple ways that android phones can be unlocked. the only one with slightly similar means of unlocking are the droid and nexus, and theyre not the same. they can go left or right for different purposes. apple truly is being a wining baby. but theyre right, they shouldnt sit back and do nothing. they should actually make true innovations that arent so general so that they dont have to worry about anything. apple needs to update everything about the iDinosaur before the freggin google meteor comes to knock it out into extinction

posted on 08 Mar 2010, 11:08

41. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)

If Apple manages to get an injunction against HTC products in the US based on this lawsuit [frivolous or not], then Google suffers from lost Nexus One sales, Microsoft Windows Phone 7 Series suffers incredible setbacks without HTC US as a launch partner, and HTC suffers major losses too as Microsoft makes up the majority of their sales historically. This is a last ditch effort by Jobs to protect his iCr@p from competition that can do it real harm, to protect his business model of selling incremental upgrades to his undeservedly loyal installed base, and is a direct response to the HTC marketing campaign that has been making inroads into the market segment that houses Job's target consumer. Luckily, I doubt an injunction could happen, but I have not seen the details of the case...

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