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Apple is building its own Maps, but will it matter?
It's no secret that Apple has been working on building an alternative maps application for iOS. Once Google really started to make some moves in the mobile space with Android, Apple ramped up acquisitions that all seem to be pointing towards a proprietary maps application that will replace Google Maps on iOS devices. However, there is a lot more to a successful maps application than just navigation, and we're wondering how long it will take Apple to get its own maps up to speed, and by then, if it really makes any difference for the platform. 

Apple's acquisitions

The story of Apple's Maps project (for simplicity we'll just call it Apple Maps) began just over 2 years ago in July of 2009 when Apple quietly purchased Placebase, which was the company that had created the PushPin API behind the Openplaces project. Both Placebase and Openplaces have essentially disappeared from the web since that acquisition. As of this writing, the Openplaces site couldn't be found, and the main page for Placebase just forwards to an overview of the PushPin API. The founder and CEO of Placebase, Jaron Waldman, has had his position on LinkedIn listed as being part of the Geo Team at Apple since that acquisition. 

Apple is building its own Maps, but will it matter?
The PushPin API and other products which Apple bought in that acquisition will likely form the base of Apple Maps, because it includes not only the actual maps of the world, but a surprising array of features which can be added onto the maps. PushPin includes not only the basic features of finding places and adding custom place pins, but also includes options for adding custom widgets and layers to maps. The layers are where a lot of the power of the product had been derived. Much like how we've seen flu maps, and or custom data sets added to Google Maps, PushPin offers a powerful set of tools to create custom data maps. It actually was quite an impressive program, and we wouldn't be surprised if most of the work that Apple has put into it is in simplifying the features and making it more user friendly. 

The next piece of the puzzle was Poly9. This was another quiet purchase by Apple, this one made in July of 2010. Poly9 was a Quebec-based startup which had used a number of different open tools including the PushPin API to create a Flash-based Google Earth clone called "Poly9 Globe". Of course, that product has also disappeared from the net since the acquisition. The prevailing theory is that Poly9 was acquired more for the programming team than for the actual product it had created. 

The latest piece was C3 Technologies, which Apple apparently purchased last year, but the details of the acquisition were kept so tightly secret that it wasn't until this past week that Apple was uncovered to be the owner of the company. C3 has created some incredibly impressive tech, which allows 3D imaging to be built from traditional 2D maps and images. This is very similar to what Google has been doing with its own Maps product with the new MapsGL features. The video demo of C3's technology is pretty impressive too:



The incomplete puzzle

The technology all looks great, but not all of it will be making the jump to mobile all that soon, notably the 3D modelling from C3. The 3D modelling features make for a great demo, and look good when it has a solid graphics card behind it, but it isn't the sort of thing that adds a lot of value to a mobile maps experience. It's kind of like FaceTime or augmented reality apps - it makes for a cool demo when showing off what your device can do, and has the potential for a lot of value, but it isn't something that most users are likely to use regularly. It's like Google Earth, fun to play with here and there, but almost no one uses it that often. There is a chance that this technology could be used to mimic Google's Street View, but Apple would still have to gather the street level images for buildings to make it worthwhile.

The rest of the acquisitions all make sense and add up to the beginning of a solid maps program, especially with the PushPin functionality to add various layers to a map. There are a number of options for layers on mobile including various location layers for different businesses, or social layers. But, it's in populating the places on those layers where we see the missing puzzle piece to Apple Maps.

Apple is building its own Maps, but will it matter?
As we said before, navigation is only a small part of the whole maps experience. A much larger part is in the place listings. Google has a huge head-start with not only having constantly crowd-sourced and checked places on maps for changes in roads and businesses, but the amount of data on Google Place pages continues to get more and more detailed. This is where Apple will face a problem. Place data can be gathered, but what makes it valuable are the reviews and recommendations. For this, Apple has two choices: it can try to crowd-source the data from iOS users, or it will likely have to make deals with various services like Yelp, TripAdvisor, Urbanspoon, or maybe Foursquare.

Yelp and TripAdvisor both pulled its listings from Google's place pages fairly recently. The claim was that Google was prioritizing its own user-generated reviews over the aggregated reviews from other sites. Now, Yelp and TripAdvisor are no longer listed on Place pages (and of course they are no longer benefiting from the links those Place pages provided.) But, Apple would need more than just the reviews for places in order to provide a true Google Maps replacement, because Google's Place pages for restaurants often contain various links for making a reservation through OpenTable, or viewing the menu from various sources. And, Google has done a lot to have reliable public transportation data added to Google Maps, and a ton of user generated content like geotagged images as well.

Apple could very well make all of the deals necessary to have these added features, but Apple is also a company that likes to build everything for itself and not rely too much on deals with outside companies, especially when those outside companies want more control over data like Yelp has proven to want. Of course, history has said that these plays for control from Apple have been because of Steve Jobs, so we'll have to see if that changes with his passing, or if Apple holds to his philosophies.

Innovating

All of this adds up to a very robust offering from Google, and it makes the road for Apple that much longer and more difficult. Even though Apple hasn't been getting the updates to the Google Maps app that Android users have been enjoying, Apple likely doesn't want to just build a replacement with the features that users already have on iOS. Apple wants to be able to leapfrog the functionality found in Google Maps, and give users and incentive to choose Apple. As we've seen, Microsoft was able to slap together Bing Maps, but it is missing a lot in terms of both functionality, and ease of use compared to Google Maps.

Much of what Apple would need to add in order to have a competitor to Google Maps aren't things that need time in development, but things that need time in the market, because maps have become an extremely collaborative art. Collaboration is not a strong suit of Apple's, but it is necessary to have the reviews, images, recommendations, and corrections that keep maps fresh and relevant. But, there are a number of innovations that Apple could add to its Maps app that would be very welcome additions.

Apple is building its own Maps, but will it matter?
The number one feature that Apple should include is dynamic navigation. This is a leapfrog feature that is the hallmark of what Apple always tries to do. Dynamic navigation would mean that the directions change based on any number of criteria, including traffic, accidents/delays, road closings, or even just personal preference. Of course, a feature like this would require huge amounts of real-time data, but it is a feature that every GPS maker, and navigation app will need to have soon enough. Given the amount of traffic information available, there is no reason why directions would send you directly into a jam when there are any number of alternate routes available. Android does have this feature, which was released in beta back in March, but it is part of the Google Maps Navigation app. So, if you use Google Maps for directions, you won't see the live traffic rerouting, but if you use Navigation, it is there. 

Another addition is less of a feature and more of an overall philosophy, and that is personalization. This is the main push of almost every social product on the market right now - to surface the best information that is relevant to you - and should be part of any maps application. This covers what we just mentioned like knowing your preferred routes when traveling, to the location alerts that Apple has included in iOS 5, to alerts pushed a little farther which may be hooked in to deal/shopping services to let you know if something you like or need is on sale close by, or if there is an interesting event happening close by that you may be interested in.

Of course, any Apple Maps would need to have some impressive Siri integration. And, it would be nice to see apps be able to use the PushPin technology and add layers of content directly into Apple Maps, but that is very unlikely to happen. It's far more likely that we'll see something like that in Google Maps than any possible Apple Maps.

Time vs Value

That's really the biggest issue for Apple in this product push - time is not on Apple's side. Google is in no way slowing down its improvements to Google Maps. Often, when a company tries to leapfrog the competition, it's because the competition has stagnated and is no longer innovating as quickly, which leaves an opening for improvement. Google isn't leaving any opening like that, so as Apple is building its maps, Google will continue to improve and continue to push those improvements to Android devices. Apple needs its own maps app, because it can't keep relying on a direct competitor like Google for that functionality, especially since Google has been giving the updates to its own platform, and not updating the Google Maps app on iOS.

The question then becomes how much time does Apple spend on this project before it needs to be pushed out? Ideally, Apple Maps would be available and ready for launch with iOS 6 next fall, and Apple seems to have the foundation set. But, there are a lot of details that need to be sorted, and innovations that need to be made.
Apple may launch its maps on the web as well, but that is far from a certainty. Given Apple's history, it seems more likely that Apple Maps would be kept locked on iOS devices and maybe in OS X. On the other hand, Google Maps has links all over the web, and it has a solid TV presence as well because many weather reports use Google Maps. This all adds to the brand recognition that Google has in maps. If people see two devices, Android and iOS, where one has the maps that everyone knows and uses on the web with Google Maps, and the other has Apple Maps, there needs to be some clear features to convince consumers that Apple Maps is just as good if not better. And, Apple needs to get this product out sooner rather than later, because otherwise Google will continue to improve Maps on Android, and keep pulling further away from iOS with that functionality.

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posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:12 17

1. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


Google Maps is very well established, it'll be very hard to replace free turn-by-turn navigation with something of their own.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:40 13

5. Shangri-La (Posts: 49; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)


I see a falling apple.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:31 4

33. Lucas777 (Posts: 2131; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


i thikn you are definately wrong... apple wud not do this if it was not better than what they already have... its just not what they do.. they want the best consumer experience and if this is how they see fit, which i think its a great idea with all their extra cash, then go head!

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:34 2

34. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


But better than googles?

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:39 4

35. Lucas777 (Posts: 2131; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


yes. if apple can make it better than googles they will do it.. if they cant they will not... just like they dont have the maps right now because they dont have everything google has... but give them time to make their own and if it is better they will use it

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:43 3

36. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


They will try no doubt but the amount of catch up required is unimaginable.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 22:05 2

46. Lucas777 (Posts: 2131; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


haha its imagined quite easily, as shown in the report above… but sarcastic comments aside, why do u think apple can not do it? they have such a large amount of money im sure they could rent vans satelites buy websites whatever they need to make it a reality

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 00:29 2

51. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Didn't say they couldn't.. Said unimaginable.. Renting vans to drive every street.. Every highway.. isn't cheap nor will it happen quickly.. To catch up is like someone getting a 5 day head start when the goal is running across the united states.. Trying to catch up to someone who has not stopped running.. Money only makes up a small portion of the feat. Google has exploded.. Android has grown at such a fast rate faster than most expected.. Sj didn't see it as a threat till they got speed.. Then he freaked out. Evolution favors the strong... Those who adapt.. Not those who remain constant.. Apple seems to be making changes. Doesn't mean they are godly and will just materialize some revolutionary map program that will dominate all that is google maps. Look at the big picture.. Google was just a search engine what has it accomplished.. What had it become.. How many man hours were put into google maps? Were talking about catchup.. feasible perhaps.. But only in the long run.. question is what can they bring to the table that hasn't been done in this arena? You make it out like google maps can be easily bested.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 01:32 3

58. Lucas777 (Posts: 2131; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


um can we stick to maps please? and ya i think apple, from the looks of their acquisitions, is in a great place to have something of equal or better than google maps... (ironically) apple will use partners and other people to get the job done much quicker that google has on its own... hahahahahah u think apple hast adapted from when the stock was 2 cents? hahahahahahah and to put it in your analogy, google might have a head start and be lost somehwere in the mountains of Utah (starting from cali of course) but apple will use a baton to pass it between people who each complete a small part of the journey, therefore at least catching up to google and possible surpassing it...

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 02:02 1

60. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Time will tell.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 00:41 2

54. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


And we are talking about Apple besting google not besting themselves.. Any company can improve on its own previous work hence "the best iPhone yet" not "the best smart phone yet"

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 01:26 2

57. Lucas777 (Posts: 2131; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


well as i said, if it does not best google's then they will not use it

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 23:11 1

104. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


That's not saying much.. They couldn't put out a better phone than what's on the market.... Yet they still put out the 4s :)

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:43 8

6. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)


They are too late to try to establish any type of benchmark for a gps. Granted the iphone 4s should have included a decent type of gps instead of a low quality type of upgrade it received to its received.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:35 4

22. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


I will agree with you. Although I try and use other services I must admit, its the best. Apple building a maps program might draw some adopters in the short term but over the long haul might not be what google maps continues to be (remember ping anyone). not everything they do can be successful but trying doesn't hurt, look at Microsoft.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:56 5

28. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)


Definately one should keep a healthy open mind and try new services or else innovation and competition would cease.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 01:04 2

55. TacoTrooper (Posts: 21; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Once apple finished making this bad boy google maps will be down right ugly and obsolete. Hopefully android won't try to steal any more of Apples ideas.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 11:03 3

72. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


So by Apple doing this.. its CLEARLY something noone has ever done before right lol.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 16:11 2

94. IrishTalian (Posts: 2; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


Are you serious, stupid or most likely both?! First of all, there is no confirmation that Apple is actually going to develop a map program. Second, Android copying from iOS?!!? Once again, are you serious? Oh yeah, you're stupid and serious!

For a long, long time now, Apple has been copying Android, BIG TIME! They copied multi-tasking/background apps, cloud support, voice activated services and the notification system...just to name a few things. But now, they're even trying to copy Google, by creating their own maps program! Those are all facts!!! Do some research before making stupid comments!

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:18 13

2. SJisaBitch (Posts: 8; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)


whatever ideas apple decides to steal or buy they will be sure to patent it

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:44 6

7. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)


I'm sure they will create a gps similar to googles and prob will patent the directional arrows lolz

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:25 8

3. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Good luck Apple spend all those money $70 billion dollars will get 3D HD Map which is better than Google 3D.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:27 4

4. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)


The google map app on android is definately a great utility and it would be nice to see some sort of text to speech good quality gps on the iphone granted it prob won't be as robust as googles but it will enhance the iphone.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 16:45 7

8. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


This is a sad as cricket trying to establish itself as a cell company. Took how many years to get street views for google... Gl Apple

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 17:11 10

9. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Introducing in iOS 6:

iMaps. Exactly like Google Apps, but with a different new magical logo. Requires a paid subscription of 99.99$ a month to use. Only on the iPhone 5.

Introducing in iOS 7:

iRadio. Uses the special magical amazing radio transmitter on the iPhone 6 to receive radio signals. Up to 3 radio stations can be added. You can add 2 more via in-app purchases for 9.99$. Only on the iPhone 5S

Introducing iOS 8 - A whole new level for iOS. Magical live wallpapers. You can buy them for 2.99$ a piece in iTunes.Only on iPhone 6

Introducing iOS 9 - Magical camera options. Because face it, who cares about the iPhone in 2015. World moved to Android. But just because we still want to make some cash, even though we lost all of our innovation and rely mostly on patent lawsuits to make money - introducing the iPhone 6S. The first iPhone with a 4" screen. Magical and revolutionary.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 17:27 4

10. jdrevolution (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


That sounds incredibly magical! Maybe it'll be rainbow colored magic and they'll say it's a tribute to the original apple too.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 17:34 4

11. andro. (Posts: 1944; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


You forgot to ad the fundamental heading to all these great inventions apple will introduc in the future........"this changes everything again"

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 17:57 2

14. darkkjedii (Posts: 10977; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Halarious and this is from an iOS guy. But funny is funny ,and that was funny.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:23 3

21. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no no.. the rumors will say its a 4inch.. when in reality it goes up to a 3.6 inch!! thats all extra magic right there!! lol

iOS10- you can now call people by holding the phone ALMOST anyway you want!! :)

posted on 04 Nov 2011, 11:49 1

107. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


lol.. you really made me laugh .. thanx man !!! .. but seriously all of it sounds very true to me

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 17:40 3

12. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


http://www.tomsguide.com/us/google-maps-android-phone-android-os,news-10378.html


Just wanted to point out that Google Maps has had that live traffic rerouting for quite some time now. It tracks people's cell phone speeds as they travel the roads and reroutes in real time if there is a major slowdown that is unusual.


This is one area where Apple will never catch up. I cant think of any "major" or "ground breaking" ideas left that they could use to leapfrog big G. Add Google's constistant updates and feature additions and it just seems like the unending road to catch up.. much less leap frog.

I've been hoping that google stops supporting iOS devices for navigation all together but I know thats against google's "do no evil" policy. They dont care, they just want their apps used everywhere.. that whole ubiquitous archipelago we talked about the other day. At least they are giving their own platform a real priority now as far as updates and features where they didnt really at first.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 17:44 1

13. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Welcome back remix lol

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:21 1

20. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol.. where did i go?!?

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:41 2

23. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Someone said self exile lol due to a taco bet. All good maybe they were just a few tacos short of a combo plate eh.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:05 2

31. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oh oh.. no, Taco keeps running around pretending he is going to get me "banned".

What it is (and ive explained this on 3 threads now but they move so fast... lol)

Taco and I have a bet. the bet is simple. Whoever sells the most in Q1 2012 wins. I've chosen samsung, he chose apple. The loser gets exiled forever from the boards. Taco thinks apple will win because apple is god to him, so he is ranting and raving all over the place about how he is going to "get me banned forever".
Nothing is further from the truth. Both have had top spots this year, so its anyone's game.
Its going to be a while though, as we have to wait for those Q1 results to come in.

I hope he keeps acting like a fool about it and reminding everyone, so when Apple loses (and they will), he has no wiggle room to say he "forgot" or there was no such bet.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:10 2

32. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Ah lol yeah I'm with you with the Samsung winning they have been doing great. Q4 id say Apple but with the turnover rate for iPhone users id say q1 they won't be selling nearly as much.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 19:45 2

37. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


thats my thinking.. that and the 4s will be nearly 6 months old by the time Q1 ends while samsung will be launching new top end phone after new phone. With the nexus being later than we all expected, its sales should be strong through Q1 as well.. put it side by side with the i4 in a store, and it will kill most i4 sales.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 20:04 2

38. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Couldn't agree more. Taco will eat his words no doubt. Id be more than happy to join you on this bet :)

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 01:11

56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Jobes I'd be happy for you to join the bet. Apple vs Samsuck. Most smartphones sold in Q1. Loser can't post again ever n PA.

I'd love to ban as many idiots as possible.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 07:56 1

65. protozeloz (Posts: 5375; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


1. It's not ban if you don't know what the word ban means you should not use it.

2. If you want all idiots to leave them make sure you are gone too. PA will be idiot free

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 21:44

42. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)


Dude you are going to hardcore lose that bet. You should have put like 2 or 3 manufactures against the Iphone sales. No one Android manufacture will beat Apple in sales.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 22:00 1

45. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


You know who outsold q3 right lol?

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 09:48

69. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you realize that apple only took the top spot for 2 quarters.. and samsung BEAT APPLE in Q3 of this year right? lol
Apple will only get a bump in Q4 for the iphone4s release, but will go back to second place in Q1 2012 as the phone gets older and less relevant than it already is, against Samsung's current line up + all the stuff thats about to launch
SGS1 + SGS2 + Nexus + Note > 3gs + 4 + 4s

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 10:27

70. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I don't know man, I think you might be in more trouble than you think. Apple sales always go down before a new model launch. Also, did the bet specify worldwide sales or just US?

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 12:07

74. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


total world wide sales for the quarter. Not specific to any country or category.

Its a toss up. I think i have a better chance at winning than losing because it is Total Worldwide Sales. :)
Samsung took first place from Apple without having their biggest phone in their biggest market, which of course was the SGS2 in america. So that more than makes up for anyone "holding off" on buying the new iphone. If that many people were holding off, apple's sales would have had a huge downturn for Q3, which they didnt. If i remember correctly they were stagnant or slightly up. Samsung also has to compete with other android manufacturers will apple has no internal competition... and samsung still won.

Its anyone's game, but my chances are better. :)

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 12:21

75. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


It's world wide smartphone sales. Feature phones aren't counted.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 12:39

77. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


in which samsung still won... even with just the smartphone sales. By 2 million i think :)

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 20:43

99. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It'll be an interesting bet to keep an eye on. I'm not sure I would have made that bet, because I think there are more people who would wait on Apple before buying a smartphone than there are who would wait for Samsung, especially given the choices available in the Android ecosystem.

Also, the SGS2 may be just launching in America, but it has been out for a while in the rest of the world. I'd assume that means the sales around the world for the SGS2 will be dropping at a time when the iPhone is still relatively new.

It's gonna be close, and I'm not sure I agree that your chances are better.

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 21:05

103. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Outside of america the iphone isnt nearly as strong of a seller. The bulk of the people that want the i4s are going to get it by christmas.

Working in the industry, I can tell you that is no longer true. I have had dozens of customers that held off until they knew if we were getting the SGS2 or not, and then held off until it was released. Were talking MONTHS. That has never happened for an android phone before.

HTC and Samsung have the best brand recognition in the android world (id give it to HTC as they have a better over all reputation) but Samsung has the only actual Android "Brand" that is known and coveted across the world, which is the Galaxy series.

In PA's own articles, it was showing how the SGS2 has been outselling the iphone in nearly every country they were both in since the day it was launched. It set sales records for android without being launched in america. I would have loved to see what it would have been like had the american carriers not screwed us and made us wait 6 months for its release.... and not made a snapdragon version..

I dont accept the "apple lost to samsung because everyone was waiting for the i5 announcement" because their sales didnt drop and most iphone users by their own admission are not that tech savy to know one from the other... or at least care. Apples sales were steady and stagnant while Samsung's shot through the roof on the back of the SGS2.

I wish the SGS2 and the 4s had launched at the same time, because then I WOULD have taken a phone vs phone bet... and won. Maybe next year with the i5 and SGS3.
Goodbye taco with this bet, and goodbye Gallito with the next one.

posted on 04 Nov 2011, 01:33

105. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Hahaha you're so delusional.

posted on 04 Nov 2011, 07:07

106. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its amazing that im right so often then, huh.. maybe its not me that lives in a fake world? hmmm? :)

posted on 03 Nov 2011, 11:06

73. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


It was outdated before it was even released.. the iphone 4s that is lol. Apple is simply riding on the "idiots will buy it" the Jobs idea.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:20

19. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Added that in, but with the notes that 1) the feature is in beta (as are most Google products), and 2) it is part of Google Maps Navigation, which is separate, because you wouldn't get the rerouting if you just used Google Maps for directions.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:06

15. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Google Earth - Apple will never catch up in 10 years if Apple start from scratch.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:14

17. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That's why they've been purchasing the building blocks.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:14 1

16. Robes1 (Posts: 17; Member since: 08 Dec 2009)


Google Maps isn't the same app on the iPhone that you guys have on Android phones. On the iPhone almost every app on their is better than Google Maps. Not saying that it's Google's fault. Just the truth. The maps that comes on Android phones is awesome. But the iPhone version could almost be beat with a cowbell and a crayon. It won't be hard for Apple to put it to shame.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:16 1

18. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


None of what you said makes sense. Are you trying to say that apps in general are better on the iPhone, or are you actually trying to say that Google Maps is better on the iPhone?

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 20:47 2

39. doubleD (Posts: 78; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)


He's saying Google Maps on the iPhone isn't nearly as good as Google Maps for Android, and is going so far as to say the iPhone Google maps is so bad that all other map apps available for the iphone are better than the Google Maps for the iPhone.

Because of the poor quality of the Google maps for iPhone, according to Robes, Apple would not have a problem creating a superior map app.

He's not saying Google Maps is bad, just that the google maps for iPhone is bad. The Android version of Google maps is far superior.

I didn't find it confusing.

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:53 2

26. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)


I think he's saying (incoherently) the map apps on the iphone in general are better than google maps on the android platform.....lol....lol...if this is what he means any map app on the iphone is like holding a candle light (iphone map app) in front of the sun(google maps app) you can't compare!

posted on 02 Nov 2011, 18:55 3

27. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


That's why I had to ask, because there's no way that anyone could believe that the Google Maps on iOS is better than on Android.

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