AT&T losing iPhone exclusivity this Wednesday?
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If this turns out to be true, Verizon could be a big winner Wednesday. Many potential iPhone buyers have shied away from the phone because they are loyal to what they perceive to be Big Red's outstanding cellular network and have been waiting for a Verizon branded iPhone. And while it is true that Big Red had presented the device as a toy during the holiday season, Verizon could up the specs and features in certain areas, similar to what it is doing with the Palm Pre, which is now the Pre Plus at Verizon. We also previously reported that it could be Verizon that gets the Apple tablet to sell. The excitement is building and we are only a few days away from having many of our questions answered.
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1. vzw fanman (Posts: 1973; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
thanks phonearena for telling us verizon's network is outstanding...i'm happy cause at&t sucks, the iphone is now free.
19. omarc26 (Posts: 357; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
hope fully this is true i hate at&t i have it and freaking hate it!!! i cant wait till verizon gets the iphone.. even if it doesnt end up getting the iphone i will still be leaving at&t and move to verizon i dont care if i dont have an iphone on verizon ill just get a blackberry storm or something else..
26. E.N. (Posts: 2380; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I would have always been planning to move back to Verizon if the iPhone ever arrived there. But I don't think I will anymore after the $350 early termination fee thingy.
28. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
then buy your phone full retail. No etf then. Or buy it on ebay or something.
48. techie123 (Posts: 54; Member since: 25 Mar 2009)
Yes the ETF thing bothers me, but in all honesty where would I go? VZW simply has the best coverage that I've seen. I do a lot of traveling with my sons in Boy Scouts to all kinds of remote locations, I get great coverage. Other dads who use other providers don't get nearly as consistent coverage as I do... If you want the best coverage without any consideration to price, go with VZW. If you want cheap service go with Sprint or T-Mobile. There is no point to AT&T, unless you just must have the iPhone. However, that looks like it might change soon. AT&T will be in trouble, they'll need to beef-up their coverage or lower their prices!
56. jskrenes (Posts: 209; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Is the ETF thing really that big of a deal? Smartphones are all pretty heavily subsidized, so I don't see a big deal with charging extra to recover that subsidy if you leave early. Or do what kiltlifter said, you don't HAVE to sign a contract at all, or you can pay a slightly higher price and only sign a one year contract (still a $350 ETF) if you're skittish.
60. theman414 (Posts: 132; Member since: 08 Jun 2009)
It really is. $350 is crazy! I hope Verizon never gets the iPhone because of their arrogance
66. blackwidow4417 (Posts: 3; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
well, if people werent abusing the bogo pricing and scamming verizon, then they wouldnt have changed it, people were buying a blackbery or droid, then adding a line for 9.99 and getting the phone for free and then canceling, and then the company is out 450 dollars, if people wouldnt abuse things, then things wouldnt have to be that way, but, you people have the convience to sit here and bitch about everything, when well in fact, regardless, you want the phones, so you will suck it up and do it anyway, so, sum all things up, grow up!
2. Galen20K (Posts: 517; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Its all up in the air as to what companies will actually sell the new apple products but one thing is certain, the Att exclusivity deal is over.
3. eddysson (Posts: 11; Member since: 23 Apr 2009)
yesss yesss good deal for vzw this Wednesday the game is over for ATT ........... I love verizon
4. thatphoneguy (Posts: 6; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
All fluff, won't happen but thanks for the entertainment.
23. JocularJester (Posts: 40; Member since: 28 Oct 2009)
"fluff" is funny word. my girl and i cant stop laughing. thank you. i dont care who gets the iphone next as long the carrier is able to make good use of the apple beast. good luck to whomever gets it
5. ibap (Posts: 714; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
Just yesterday I corrected a dad who was telling someone that our high school has scramblers to block cell calls, because he could get no Verizon signal there. Funny, my Sprint phone works exceedingly well, as does T-mobile and Alltel. ATT is also a zero. Don't believe everything you see on carrier-provided maps, or hear in their ads.
6. sleepyjohnny (Posts: 151; Member since: 16 Dec 2009)
they never say that they have coverage EVERYWHERE, they say that they have the most coverage. there is a difference. also, alltel is owned by verizon, wtf are you speaking of? verizons map coverage is including alltel
7. blackirish24 (Posts: 15; Member since: 24 Dec 2008)
IBAP....everyone has dead zones. It's known by everyone in the US that Verizon has the biggest wireless network coverage in the US. Glad your Sprint phone works at your high school. I have had Sprint and Verizon. I was Sprint customer for 8 years and traveled all over the US with it. I have done the same with my Verizon phone in the last 2 years. Coverage is no where close! Verizon network has Sprint beat by far (Get ya map out...lol). Sprint has decent phones and cheap plans...But there coverage doesn't compare to Verizon. I'll pay more money for ability to make calls in more places ....
9. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
blackirish is right on. Sprint Sucks. You get what you pay for crap phones and crap service. Sprint roams off of Verizon, but Sprint customers don't get data service when in roaming. If you just want voice and to pay for internet and not be able to use it go with Sprint. VZW and ATT are the top 2 carriers in the country for a reason...
11. prettyboy1974 (Posts: 56; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)
I think that's pretty funny, oh by the way you do know that sprint has a deal with Verizon to lease wireless coverage in their uncovered areas. Guess Sprint knows who's the biggest and best CDMA network also.
20. Doakie (Posts: 1380; Member since: 06 May 2009)
Well, at least some of your info is correct. Verizon definitely has a bigger network than Sprint. But traveling in Idaho a couple months back I couldn't get Sprint service on my Pixi or my wifes Pre till we turned on data roaming. I was able to make phone calls and surf the internet just fine with no issues, and no additional roaming charges. I've already paid the bill for that month so I know there were no additional charges. So you go ahead and keep your big expensive network. I'll pay less and ride on it whenever I'm in a bad spot. I'll hug my dollars while you kiss yours goodbye. Also I have two friends who just left Verizon to Sprint cus they were having dropped call issues in Seattle. So just before you assume their network is bulletproof cus you've had a good experience remember there are 90 million other customers with opinions too. Although I do have one friend who is leaving Sprint cus his Lotus drops calls, and I had gone through two Instinct S30s, and a Rant which had horrible service at my work before I tried an Instinct HD which had an awesome connection, then my Pixi also has an awesome connection. So you know what that tells me? Service is handset dependent first and carrier tower location second.
37. acipollo (Posts: 34; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
Sprint works anywhere Verizon does. Sprint has a roaming agreement in place. If they can't get a signal, they use Verizons. Automatically. And FREE.
38. acipollo (Posts: 34; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
Also, Sprint does have data roaming with Verizon, just not 3G.
40. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
Doakie, Look at all those trashy handsets you had to go through before you got a good one...One reason that you probably had so many issues is that Sprint sell refurbs as new! Not even kidding. There is a code you can put in your phone and see, I believe it is ##786. Service is network dependent, the network is the service. But I do agree that some phones are known to get better reception than others on Sprint it is just hard to come by especially when they blow the customer experience by selling all these shady refurbed phones as new with out telling the customer. Have fun paying for your 1G/2G experience. The 1x resource you share with Verizon is significantly slower than EDGE and 3G EVDO/GSM speeds. 1x is not a 3G experience, so don't be fooled. if that works for you great, but if something were to ever happened to that roaming agreement you would be so screwed. You would have a better experience if you had a Palm Pre and Pixi plus on a more reputable 3G carrier...
41. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
that great. You get 1x roaming...a network solely intended for voice. No 3G data and a plethora of refurbed 3G handsets to use. enjoy. I'll get the latest phones on my 3G carrier and when Sprint can beg the manufacturer to make a cheap version to sell on their network you'll get it 3-6 months or a year later.
49. techie123 (Posts: 54; Member since: 25 Mar 2009)
This works in THEORY only! Sprint's phones favor their own towers to the point where they will attempt to connect to a very week Sprint tower over a much stronger Verizon tower - leading to dropped calls or poor voice quality. I know, because I've had service with both and Verizon just worked better over all.
50. Illyich (Posts: 167; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
That's because when Sprint uses Verizon's towers, they pay.
52. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)
They own it but signal is still not combined you either have alltel and alltel coverage or verizon and have verizon coverage.
53. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)
So you are saying verizon has better signal the what sprint had 3, 4 up to 8 years ago, you cannot compare signal unless you are using both at the same time, Sprint is just as good, evn better in some location, as well as verizon in others, but you cannot say it is way better when you are talking about years of diference
54. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)
Sprint does not sell refurbise. Assurion is the ones that give refurbished phones and that is for every carrier, and certain retailers like radioshack is the one that sales refurbished phones not sprint. and if there are places that have refurbished it is at repair centers, and customer is aware they are buying refurbished because non insurance or they want a cheap phone without renewing their contract.
67. underwood2012 (Posts: 50; Member since: 12 Sep 2009)
This is not entirely true. I have the Blackberry Curve 8330 and I roam on Verizon/Alltel's network sometimes when I have four or five bars with Sprint and only two or three with roaming (I just shut off roaming to check). Now I no longer care--as long as I have coverage I am happy. Also, Sprint does, or did, have an agreement with Alltel so that they could roam onto their 3G network and vice-versa. I'm not sure if this is still in effect since Verizon bought Alltel, but I still do have 3G roaming in some places. My phone could just be messing up and putting the 3G sign up on accident, I don't know.
8. sleepyjohnny (Posts: 151; Member since: 16 Dec 2009)
i personally think that unless they super hype up the iphone, verizon doesnt need it. the current iphone is not as good as the droid. i have no idea how it compares to the Pre, but i know that the droid is better in certain aspects. id pick droid anytime now the iTablet, sounds promising
25. E.N. (Posts: 2380; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
We'll see how well the Droid does if the iPhone comes to Verizon
32. darthray (Posts: 72; Member since: 04 Nov 2009)
you also mean when nexus one comes out too for verizon around march.. that beast is way better looking and a faster processor than the droid.
10. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
I just don't think it's going to happen quite yet...I don't think Apple is at the mercy of Verizon to put there phone on their network. It would sell, but I know that if VZW doesnt do shyster things with the plans or limit functionality they will have tons of issues...just wait and see. iPhone Phallacy 2010....
12. jundibasam (Posts: 119; Member since: 05 Aug 2009)
Maybe thats why verizon is requiring data plans on essentially "all" of their phones now because they know the iphone is coming soon, so the arrogance keeps growing for them. I am a long time verizon customer and defend them a lot because of their good customer service and network, but the data plan requirement on non-Smartphones is pure greed and everyone knows it.
13. jrcrow79 (Posts: 477; Member since: 02 May 2008)
vzw fanman All I can say to yer biased comment(s) is...can YOU talk n websurf at the same time?!..NOT!!..thnx Att, I have yet to talk to anyone who doesnt have an iphone nor have ANY issue which includes me..besides vzw is overpriced either way and NO you cant keep yer unused minutes +1 more for att!!
14. vzw fanman (Posts: 1973; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
I don't need any extra minutes bro and I can talk and surf while on wifi but I've never had a need.
16. 203RichBoy (Posts: 76; Member since: 15 Dec 2009)
Verizon does have the best coverage but I dont leave the eastcoast so hell my T-Mobile is good to me. Verizon is overpriced like crazy wtf I would never pay them for the same amount of coverage i get at home. GSM is the better technology hands down. ESN numbers and programming is too much of a hassle
33. Trobes05 (Posts: 106; Member since: 01 Aug 2009)
I disagree that GSM is a better technology. You need 3 GSM towers to equal one CDMA tower so in that aspect I would rather have CDMA. Also, who really needs to be on the web and talk to someone at the same time. Just like fanman said you can do it with wifi so its not a big deal. On the iPhone you can be on thw web at the same time as a call but you can not use another application. So I can talk on speaker phone with someone while I play Mario 3.
36. SamTime (Posts: 253; Member since: 07 Nov 2009)
@jrcrow79 lol I hate that arguement. It's pretty lame considering that most ppl don't need that requirement. Also too, once verizon launches their LTE network and figures out how they will route voice, they'll most likely be able to make that claim of "being able to talk and surf (without the aid of wifi) at the same time."
42. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
Talk and surf on wifi...so you carry a mifi card in your pocket 24/7? lol I like verizon too, but I really think they need to get this worked out in 4G. It'll make the customer experience better and Luke Wilson cant talk trash anymore, lol.
57. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
There's nothing to work out. LTE you will be able to Talk and Surf over the LTE signal, or Verizon wants to reserve CDMA for voice only, the LTE will still pound data through. Very soon it will be a non-issue.
64. cooter1979 (Posts: 34; Member since: 28 Apr 2009)
jrcrow79, Such a pathetic blow to VZW. I mean who really gives a f@#k that you cant talk and surf at the same time? When I'm on the internet and I get a phone call the internet page doesn't go anywhere. Its not like i cant finish my conversation and and just go back to browsing. If Im listening to pandora, it conveniently pauses for me. I mean wtf...who cares. Unless my buddy is on "Who wants to be a millionaire" and Im his "phone call" guy, I just dont give a sh!t. Pathetic AT@T fanboy. Your cell phone company sucks and their commercials are a joke.
15. sleepyjohnny (Posts: 151; Member since: 16 Dec 2009)
verizon is requiring it only because these phones may not be smart phones, but can still web browse like them. phones that do not have HTML browsers most likely wont need this plan. and you will only be subject to this when you change your plan anyways so have no fear. and att person (jrcrow79), yea try and talk and surf the web in NYC and good luck doing it. you'll wind up using talk and surf if ever when you're at home just like the guy in the commercial... oh and look at that, at home where theres wifi, verizon can do the same :) as for minutes.... you keep your minutes on AT&T because call quality on the iphone fails in comparison to any verizon phones call quality. no arguing there.
43. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
sleepyjohnny...i agree with you for the most part... you got it right for the plans, but ATT call quality does not fail compared to VZW call quality. ATT 3G is crystal clear. Verizon uses a 2G network for voice and it is staticy and sounds like talking in a tin can. I use talk and surf all the time...it comes in handy all the time when ever someone calls and i am out and about and i dont have computer access. I can google something real quick or download an email... VZW has to fix this issue in 4G, it'll only improve the customer experience and shut up Luke Wilson... VZW should get Owen Wilson...lol
59. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
rwolf1984: Actually it's not. I test chipsets on several different carrier networks working for Qualcomm. HSPA networks have an astounding more interference for voice quality that CDMA networks do. The busier the network load, the farther apart the time slots for delivering the packet data is received to the handset, causing it to not sound consistent all the time. CDMA networks are not affected like this. Call quality diminishes with Gsm/HSPA signals the lower the signal strength goes, where CDMA/1XRTT signal will keep clarity whither you receive 1 bar of signal or 4/5. A GSM/HSPA signal delivers voice at 30khz and delivers that 30khz over time slots quicker depending on if you are just using GSM/EDGE/HSPA by using un-used bandwidth from the data network if available. CDMA/1XRTT is similar, but uses a spread spectrum code over the and creating much more bandwidth. CDMA delivers 240khz over the network, then code stamps the khz by up to 5x. This is why using spread spectrum technology, CDMA providers can build network vastly quicker and hold extreme amounts of more callers at one time. So in reality if were just talking about voice it's the same. Since CDMA alone is far superior for just voice. BUT the HSPA is used for voice to increase this capacity. This does hurt a GSM/HSPA network because you are now taking it from your data network and delivering it for voice. Where the CDMA 3G 1XEVDO, Rev/A/B/C (Depending on your country) is completely independent and runs with extreme consistency because it's not lending any of it's bandwidth to voice. Make sense? LTE will cause what's happening right now with HSPA(WCDMA) networks, except that Verizon will have the option of getting handsets that use CDMA for voice and reserve LTE for data only, but will allow both signals to work in conjunction that will allow you to "Talk and surf" at the same time. ATT/Tmobile will not have this option because in order for them to have superior voice, some small bandwidth will be needed to achieve the equivalent of CDMA for voice. The hope is that by that time there will be so much bandwidth, that even if this happens it's so minor that consumers might not notice.
63. sleepyjohnny (Posts: 151; Member since: 16 Dec 2009)
yea AT&T really isnt crystal clear.... i try it out all the time on my friends iphone and there are times when in sounds like whoever im talking to is in a cave far far away... at times
69. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Ok tech guru u r totally eight but tell me why HSPA is more used all over the world and kicked CDMA in any posible category, not to mention web speed.....!!!!!
17. macron2000 (Posts: 81; Member since: 07 Sep 2009)
Let us not forget, the Iphone and At&t completely changed the entire landscape of the wireless industry. Going forward, I just think VZW and TMO are on courses beyond the Iphone and really don't need it. Id personally like to see them focus on LTE and new devices that support it. As for AT&T, the chance to focus on other handsets aside from the IPhone would allow them to take care of other types of customers and continue to enhance their network prior to LTE. That would be a good thing. So they lose a few customers, but in the long run you build loyalty with the ones you have, and diversify your product line to appeal to more of the masses. Who benefits? The customers. So its a good thing.
18. thatphoneguy (Posts: 6; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Exclusive rights to the iphone is not public information and there has been ongoing speculation for how long regarding the rights ending? Besides the iPhone, Droid, or whatever. I wouldn't say one is better than the other, its all based on preference. As far as coverage goes, to each their own. Having the most coverage nationwide is no advantage to someone who doesn't travel, regardless of the network the phone needs to work were you travel, enough said.
22. clevername (Posts: 1434; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Phoneguy I agree. I have no hate for any network except sprint but that's not to say they sick, but I digress, I live in socal. Right now and almost all the time I have 5 bars on my iPhone. And my data speeds are insane, well for a cell phone. Verizon in my area is equally good. I admit I get a few drops uit my friends with big red gt the same. Unfortunately my nexus one has 3 bars and I'm surprised it's that many. Tmo is sparse in this area amd tmo 3G is even more rare. Thank god it's unlocked, I give tmo 2 months to get better. Point is if u dont travel amd not everyone does maps don't mean anything. Just like more bars in more places doesn't.
21. android#1 (Posts: 74; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Reception strength depends on where you are located. There is really no best. Even if one provider has more coverage nationally, what good is that going to do for me in LA? All i care about is the few locations i visit on a regular basis. As for the iphone, i hope the worst phone stays with At&t (considered by a few on this forum as the worst carrier). I have sprint and i cant wait for the HTC Supersonic. No biased, i am open minded. Problem is, i dont want an ipod touch with calling capabilities.
24. clevername (Posts: 1434; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I think people are overlooking the true meaning of "the end of exclusivity". It doesn't mean the iPhone will no longer be on AT&T. People speak as if AT&T will lose millions of customers. There will still be ppl on contract with AT&T for up to a year and a half longer. And many won't pay the ETF. Then there is also the people that will Stay after the contract is up. I know I will stay until an LTE iPhone is released and I can find a cheaper monthly rate on another carrier. Aside from that AT&T will most likely get each new iPhone it just won't be exclusive. Unless they present rediculous conditions to apple. So we may have a choice of carrier but I think we'll still have an AT&T iPhone for a long time.
27. bng (Posts: 107; Member since: 12 Feb 2009)
So as of wendsday ATT is going to start to go down hill lil by lil until they r at the bottom? lol im guessing they should b panaking by now aha. it really dosnt matter who gets the iPhone now its old the form is the same they need to make it look better like add a keyborad for instance. be sieds the iPhone was soooo 2006-2009 now its 2010 n its about Android.
29. ohwhyfanboywhy (Posts: 37; Member since: 10 Jan 2010)
Dear God you are an idiot. Its quite obvious that even a keyboard isn't doing you much justice. Every other word in your sentence is spelled incorrectly. Please remember this is an English site. That's all beside the point. To be honest. I don't see Android breaking out as far as the iPhone. Remember that the iPhone has a much wider appeal to customers as a gaming device, iPod, phone, etc. And the phone does it all pretty well for having a stale and overrated interface. For the iPhone to branch out of AT&T is good for Apple and not AT&T. The iPhone pretty much dominates the United States and Europe. The reason why programmers develop for the iPhone/iPod is because that is where the money is at. So the App Store has a bunch of crap apps not worth a mention. But because of those apps, others shine brighter. And as for the Android market, the ratio of crap apps to decent apps is the same as the app store. You won't find as many, but if Android catches up in apps, everyone will say the same as they did for the App Store. As good of an operating system Android is, it will always be shadowed by Apple. As Linux is shadowed by OS X and Windows. Not as bad but its noticeable. All losing exclusivity is going to do is reinforce Apple in believing that no significant changes need to be made to their increasingly outdated operating system as customers who are already on Verizon, Sprint, T-Mo, etc that want an iPhone increase Apple's customer base.
44. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
The iPhone going to another carrier will not only help Apple sell more but sell more computers!!!
30. ohwhyfanboywhy (Posts: 37; Member since: 10 Jan 2010)
As an AT&T customer and an iPhone owner, I hope that AT&T loses a good deal of customers and finally realize that promises and Luke Wilson are not going to save their company as much as actual actions. With all the money AT&T has stocked up with the subscriber base the iPhone got them, I am HIGHLY disappointed that they have not spent enough money to respond to all the attacks from Verizon. AT&T works great in my area, DC/METRO. T-Mobile sucks here. Verizon's network is good here too. Sprint, I don't know hardly enough customers here with Sprint for me to even comment... So as long as I live here I'm gonna stick with AT&T as my job and most of my life is here. To go to Verizon to pay a little more for the exact same coverage in my area is pointless as I can do a little more on my phone than I could on VZW's network. No offense to those who have VZW.
31. dadoo985 (Posts: 26; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)
SPRINT RESTORE MY FAITH AND SHOW US WHAT UR WORKING WITH!!!!!
45. rwolf1984 (Posts: 520; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
Only you can restore your faith (or prevent forest fires)...get a new carrier!
71. android#1 (Posts: 74; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Not so fast...HTC Supersonic coming. STAY WITH SPRINT
34. boriqua2000 (Posts: 49; Member since: 11 Mar 2009)
i heard that verizon isn't getting the iphone.the iphone is going to Metro PCS.suck it verizon.