Windows RT powered slates to get some features from Windows 10
posted by Alan F.
/ Jan 25, 2015, 6:40 PM
"Surface Pro 3 (and the entire Surface Pro lineup) will update to Windows 10. We are working on an update for Surface, which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10. More information to come."-Microsoft spokesman
The Microsoft Surface Pro 4 will most likely have Windows 10 pre-installed. With the new software expected to launch around late September, not only should we see the Surface Pro 4 hit the market at about the same time, we should also find out which Windows 10 features will be made available to Windows RT.
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22 Comments
1. j2001m
Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014
Sorry I do not see what all the big deal is about windows rt not being updated to the full windows 10 I.e. It's in the name I.e it's called rt not windows 8 and so on I.e. Rt was never full windows 8 and windows phone will not be getting all the desktop things also now am they.
posted on Jan 25, 2015, 7:42 PM 0
2. elitewolverine
Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013
The big deal of rt's getting windows 10? Because it is ARM processor which in the reality, blows against most x86's. Not to mention completely different code.
Windows is written in a mix of C, C++, and Assembly language. Assembly for ARM and x86 do not mix at all, ever.
So updating an RT ARM based tablet to full windows will never be possible. However they can get the windows phone code. If anything They will just shove windows phone code or win10 for less than 7in code on the tablet. And add a few more features to bridge it between rt and pro. As well all universal apps will run on rt.
posted on Jan 25, 2015, 7:50 PM 3
7. joey_sfb
Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012
I don't think ARM blows against x86 since they are design in different eras for different purposes.
ARM is design to be more energy saving while x86 was design in the 80 with no such concern.
Energy saving who can have enough of those.
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 12:15 AM 2
8. joey_sfb
Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012
This is dedicated to you! elitewolverine.
"The average Intel i7 processor produces around 45W of heat. The average ARM based smartphone SoC (including the GPU) has a maximum instantaneous peak power of around 3W, some 15 times less than an Intel i7."
http://www.androidauthority.com/arm-vs-x86-key-differences-explained-568718/
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 12:50 AM 1
12. joey_sfb
Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012
Each has their own use. Either of them suck! That's the point.
Besides, Core M is efficient because of superior manufacturing from Intel not because of CPU design. Same manufacturing apply to ARM will still use less power.
Its basically complex instruction set vs modern reduce instruction set.
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 3:26 AM 0
13. brrunopt
Posts: 742; Member since: Aug 15, 2013
:facepalm:
3W ?? good luck with that .. A qualcoom S800/S801/805 or a Apple A7 can get as much as 6-7W
Also, a core i7 e a LOT of times more powerfull than any ARM...
And even more, a Intel Atom Baytrail has around the same performance and same power consumpion as ARM SOC's
So No, ARM is not more efficient than x86
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 4:01 AM 1
14. joey_sfb
Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012
So you are the CPU core designer expert? The rest of the phone OEM are idiots for choosing ARM over intel x86?
If so what are your basis? Do enlightened us.
http://www.androidauthority.com/arm-vs-x86-key-differences-explained-568718/
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 5:47 AM 0
17. elitewolverine
Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013
Oh i know tons on cpu design and why arm has been used since the dawn of its reason for being in embedded low power systems.
It doesnt mean it sucks, but neither does my watch's cpu...
But when you are asking a modern day ARM to start running things that a full windows machine might likely encounter it wont be a pretty site to have in your hand. And by the time you get to Baytrail or other x86 low power designs...you have a power hog as well and defeats the purpose.
You can even use old 15w intel cpu's or 25w even. When talking about tablets that can have 8000mah or 10000mah batteries onboard yes, 5w would be lovely...but 10w or 15w isnt going to kill it. Heck even baytrail used 2w in gaming tests.
In the end my original point still stands...assembly is the main reason you simply cannot dump windows on a arm chip.
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 6:59 AM 0
20. joey_sfb
Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012
Windows Phone are using ARM chip and from what i gather Windows 10 phone will still use ARM.
So if its still not more power efficient why would Microsoft bother with ARM.
Remember that. And please share correct and factual information because i come to learn to be more savvy not stupid.
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 7:15 AM 0
23. sgodsell
Posts: 6835; Member since: Mar 16, 2013
Maybe you should keep up with both technologies. Ever here of Nvidias X1 which rivals a number of current desktop/laptop CPUs. And Arm socs are still improving all the time with 14nm coming this will help with power consumption and heat. Also Intel is going with 14nm as well. Improvements are coming to everyone and not just Intel.
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 8:53 AM 1
3. Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 403; Member since: Jan 18, 2015
If they know the RT is so crappy , why launch it in the first place ? Typical MS fail
Thats why i spend my money on apple products
posted on Jan 25, 2015, 9:38 PM 1
10. hemedans
Posts: 746; Member since: Jun 01, 2013
rt is crappy compare with full windows, but if you compare it with android/ios it is better than them
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 3:12 AM 2
16. Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 403; Member since: Jan 18, 2015
With all due respect have you owned a Surface RT ? I returned it in 3 days . It is laggy , runs a crippled browser called internet explorer as the only option , lack of windows store application .
I could do more with a iPad or android tablet than I can do on the surface. only thing I appreciate is the design and the full size USB port
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 6:38 AM 2
19. elitewolverine
Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013
App store did suffer, which will be no issue come windows 10 since it is arm and they are merging the store, they just got 500k apps.
I have used a surface rt, laggy? no. IE? Flash support without the need for 3rd party support or stream. I hardly think 3 days with any product is enough time for anything. If i gave my note 3, 3 days to impress me i would be sworn off android forever...
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 7:03 AM 0
27. Mercedes-Benz
Posts: 403; Member since: Jan 18, 2015
Sure they have more apps now , but still couldn't compare with the play store and apps store .
The surface with tegra 3 , performance really suffers especially using the desktop IE with heavy pages , even opening Metro apps takes a long time . The Metro IE doesn't work with most plugins or flash ?
I switched from iOS to android just fine and I could switch back without Much problem , but MS product sorry I tried I just can't
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 1:16 PM 0
4. AfterShock
Posts: 4146; Member since: Nov 02, 2012
Here you go little orphan RT, have a bit of gruel an begone.
posted on Jan 25, 2015, 10:32 PM 2
6. NihonDaisuki unregistered
Is bad to use this os. Do not buy the first place When seemed got a time to aho
posted on Jan 25, 2015, 11:55 PM 0
11. darkvadervip
Posts: 366; Member since: Dec 08, 2010
I just hope microsoft puts LTE in the surface pro 4 and send it to AT&T and then we will see them fly off of the shelf
posted on Jan 26, 2015, 3:12 AM 0
21. 7thspaceman
Posts: 1597; Member since: Feb 14, 2011
Folks all Microsoft really has to do is to "Enable" all the 3 Microsoft RT tablets to use the New I Predict the 85 Percent of all new apps from developers will be Microsoft Universal Apps. If this done the all Windows RT tablets will be able to run the latest and greatest new
Universal apps written for Windows touch screen devices.making Windows RT tablets far from being absolete
