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When it comes to its customers' privacy, Samsung sounds just like Apple

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When it comes to its customers' privacy, Samsung sounds just like Apple
Samsung and Apple have a rather strange relationship. Apple depends on Samsung for certain key parts for the iPhone and iPad, including half of the A9 chipsets used to drive the Apple iPhone 6s and Apple iPhone 6s Plus. On the other hand, both are fierce rivals in the mobile device industry. There have been times, especially during their patent battles, when Apple and Samsung have been at each others' throats.

So it might be mildly surprising to read Samsung's statement about privacy, and how it sounds just like Apple's reasoning for not complying with the government's court order in the case. The latter demands that it develop a "unique" version of iOS that would allow it to unlock the Apple iPhone 5c used by deceased terrorist Syed Farook.

In a statement, Samsung agrees with Apple's stance that when possible, it will give information to law enforcement. But if that is impossible because of the lack of a back door, Samsung says that it will not create one since it could "undermine consumers’ trust." That is basically the same reason that Apple CEO Tim Cook has given to explain why Apple won't give in to the government's request. Cook worries that if the unique "Govt. OS" software needed to unlock the iPhone 5c falls into the wrong hands, every single iPhone user in the world would be in danger of having the private information stored on their handset stolen.

"Ensuring trust in our products and services is our top priority. Our phones are embedded with encryption that protects privacy and content, and they do not have backdoors. When required to do so, and within the law, we work with law enforcement agencies. However, any requirement to create a backdoor could undermine consumers’ trust."-Samsung

While several tech firms, including Google, Facebook and Microsoft have filed an amicus briefs on behalf of Apple, Samsung is still on the fence about following suit. "Protecting our customers’ privacy is extremely important, but we have not decided whether to file an amicus brief in the current case," Samsung said in an emailed statement.

source: Bloomberg

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posted on 03 Mar 2016, 20:49 3

1. Eraman (Posts: 144; Member since: 13 Dec 2015)

Then BlackBerry will say "Hello"

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 22:53 6

8. Unordinary (unregistered)

Lol Blackberry has had a backdoor for a while I hear

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 05:07 3

20. meanestgenius (Posts: 16598; Member since: 28 May 2014)

That's incorrect.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 10:32

30. Unordinary (unregistered)


posted on 04 Mar 2016, 13:21 1

31. meanestgenius (Posts: 16598; Member since: 28 May 2014)



posted on 04 Mar 2016, 14:02 1

32. meanestgenius (Posts: 16598; Member since: 28 May 2014)


posted on 07 Mar 2016, 09:31

36. KRONeage (Posts: 144; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)

Wrong about Blackberry, because they don't need one.... just like Apple doesn't need one! Why??? Because both run their own Encryption Servers. BBRY BES Encryption Server Network is touted as the very best the World over. At a Trust Rating of over 90% it's about as close as we can get today, being an "Impenetrable Fortress". Which is said to begin at around an 80% Trust Level!

They did get kicked out of India because they refused to unlock some activists phones there and would not give up enterprise data to governments there. In India it's probably worse than China for privacy even in the work place. The immediate result was BBRY being blacklisted by government. This was back when Indian Government was also killing Nokia off too. This is how Samsung became the #1 Largest Selling and Most Trusted Phone maker there. They had already been using MDM and parts of KNOX Security for Enterprise and so were't seen as a threat to government and the MDM becomes responsible instead of phone maker!

Apple will have huge problems in India with them being responsible for user's privacy and owning their own encryption Servers. If Apple isn't giving Indian Government access and haven't given complete encryption services to 3rd Party MDM.... they'll most likely never reach 2% market share and the Indian Government will still demand cooperation with Law Enforcement, as they always have. Meaning Apple would be out of the country completely if they refuse..... just like Blackberry and Nokia! ......as it is Apple has less than 1% overall marketshare in India. While Samsung enjoys the most trusted device maker in the entire country with KNOX Suite and an Independent MDM Security management company!!!

What Blackberry has always done is put legal owners rights above those of workers or employees simply using their devices. When the Indian Government started trying to make BBRY unlock phones the government did not own, they refused. They owned their own MDM for decades for Enterprise use, but now have since went with 3rd party owned MDM services to keep from being forced to unlock phones. But they have like most companies unlocked phones (unencrypted them... since BBRY has used their own end to end encryption servers for at least 15yrs), in the past for relatives of deceased user/owners.... etc!

Today Samsung KNOX Security Suite with it's own 3rd party controlled MDM and IBM owned MAAS360.... all including Blackberry BES Encryption takes responsibility for your security and privacy. So the employer/phone maker don't have to!!!

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 23:13 4

10. GreenMan (Posts: 1817; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)

Then my Nokia 3310 will say: Ha! You all are mere Muppets...!


posted on 04 Mar 2016, 00:29

12. tacarat (Posts: 805; Member since: 22 Apr 2013)

Will that work for anybody not on some sort of MDM? I kinda hear that's their thing. Or will managed devices be provided "more" security because the government can go to the managing company's BES?

posted on 07 Mar 2016, 09:47

37. KRONeage (Posts: 144; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)

Well today.... unlike Apple phone makers are not taking responsibility for user's privacy and protective services like Encryption. It's really Absurd that Apple wants to lock everyone out of their iPhones except them. Since like BES Encryption Servers.... Apple owns and operates it's own encryption Servers for their Garden Walled Network!

But Apple doesn't even trust letting their pets doodoo in a litter box indoors..... let alone have them with access to the open unencrypted non Garden Walled Network only they have access to. It's what Enterprise and governments are most angry about with Apple. They are acting as if only they can keep you safe and secure. When they've actually failed repeatedly to keep iTunes Store users Credit Cards Safe even!!!

Independently owned MDM's like Samsung uses in KNOX Security Suite are the best option and if Apple attempts to run their own MDM via a puppet subsidiary, they'll lose any remaining companies and government contracts they have left. Which is near NONE... with GSA, DoD, DoJ, Secret Service, FBI, etc!!! Samsung and Blackberry are getting them all!!!

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 20:51

2. khalid123 (Posts: 29; Member since: 27 Feb 2016)

nonsense apple iOS only hardware

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 20:52 1

3. khalid123 (Posts: 29; Member since: 27 Feb 2016)

BlackBerry is better what about Nokia

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 23:15

11. GreenMan (Posts: 1817; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)

Nokia is the best!

To bad, it's in ashes now...

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 21:04 1

4. kevin91202 (Posts: 599; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)

It's funny that people think Apple is fighting the "enemy." In reality, Apple=US Govt. Here's why:
Apple complains about foreigners copying and stealing their ideas (China and Korea) but have no qualms in buying their products and services (assembly, manufacturing, and Samsung semiconductors and displays) for Apple's own benefit. The US Govt complains about similar things: those evil foreigners in China (communists) spying, stealing and this and that (as if the US Govt has never), but they have no problems in exporting and importing TRILLIONS to/from China.

If you hate foreigners so much (especially the communist variety), stop supporting their govt and economy! Damn hypocrites...

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 21:19 3

5. TerryTerius (unregistered)

Yeah. It absolutely doesn't work that way and couldn't unless we went back to being an isolationist country. Given how intertwined the international market is and how depleted our manufacturing capabilities are that would be hilariously difficult to do without massive economic pain and a depression. Not to mention the fact that our birth rate is falling and we largely rely on immigration to keep the country running. Like most developed countries. That aside, what you're talking about completely depends on the scenario. You can have foreign partners and take issue with them infringing on your IP. I'm not at all saying Apple was right, I'm just saying there is nothing diametrically opposed there.

And yes. World powers, and lesser powers; spy on one another and attempt to prevent the other side from doing the same.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 08:29

23. PhoneCritic (Posts: 923; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)

Sounds similar to another great empire located int the Italian peninsula. They to started relying on foreign armies to built their roads and cities and fight their battles, while they indulge in their wealth with obscene pleasure. Eventually, their social and economical presence on the wold stage collapsed.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 09:55

29. TerryTerius (unregistered)

Not exactly. Most of the western countries have intertwined their manufacturing capabilities with other nations by outsourcing part of the load. In other words, the world is truly interconnected at this point. Really, America would be the reverse of Rome. Our military has been going around the world acting like armed forces for other countries. We've been fighting everyone else's battles for them. Warranted or otherwise. Although we have increased our use of privately owned mercenaries from within the United States to assist our Armed Forces, that's not really the same thing. Hell, our army is so ridiculously massive we have bases across the entire planet at this point. We do certainly have things we need to solve in the not-too-distant future or else it will bring severe challenges within my lifetime, but that's a whole other conversation altogether.

Economic headwinds are coming though. China's economy is contracting for the first time in decades, the EU is looking increasingly unstable and Russia has been tanking. Who knows what comes next.

The American empire is very different compared to the way Britain, the Mongols and Rome behaved. We haven't physically conquered much of anything, among many other differences. We don't exactly fit the typical profile.

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 22:23

6. Zylam (Posts: 1120; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)

Samsung using the battle to beef it's own market image, they were feeling left out.

Wasn't it's just a few generations ago that Android phones ran that "stealing users data without their permission" software that the carriers had installed on all Androids... Including Samsungs.

Sounds like a backdoor Sammy, if that happened and only stopped because of discovery, wonder what other back doors haven't been discovered.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 06:01 4

22. willard12 (unregistered)

Apple was also running Carrier.

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 23:10 1

9. GreenMan (Posts: 1817; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)

My Nokia has something to say too...

The most secure phone in the world!

Nothing can intercept anything from this Smart-ish Phone!

And not to mention, it doubles as a brick which may come in handy when a need of self defence arise

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 00:40 5

13. Wiencon (Posts: 2022; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)

But you are not using Nokia 3310 as your daily driver so why are you writing these pointless comments?

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 00:53 3

14. lyndon420 (Posts: 5000; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Probably for attention...which you are providing by responding.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 02:20 6

17. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1518; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)

Green Man, try something else if you are here for Green thumbs

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 01:01 3

15. cnour (Posts: 1494; Member since: 11 Sep 2014)

Samsung is always trying to be like Apple in everything.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 02:21 2

18. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1518; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)

Whats wrong if they try to protect the privacy of their customers?

posted on 06 Mar 2016, 13:57 1

33. JumpinJackROMFlash (Posts: 461; Member since: 10 Dec 2014)

Well. since they're exceeding Apple in all aspects I guess they're succeeding.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 01:07 1

16. Trex95 (Posts: 1118; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)

You guys still didn't get it? Samsung is the eaten part of Apple

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 03:01 2

19. xondk (Posts: 1904; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)

This article doesn't make sense...
Of course they have a "similar" stance because it is the only proper stance to have when you want to protect user privacy? so how is that "similar"?
This article is like saying. "Samsung CEO Dr. Oh-Hyun Kwon has similar way of greeting people as Apple CEO Tim Cook." both greeting people with a pleasant "hello"
That's not copying or anything else it is quite simply an appropriate way to greet people, and in this aspect an appropriate way to treat people's privacy....

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 05:33 1

21. darkkjedii (Posts: 24906; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Glad to see my two fav tech companies are serious about the privacy thing. Big brother don't need to see my private stash.

posted on 04 Mar 2016, 09:55

28. Shocky (unregistered)

This could have been avoided if Apple co-operated, the FBI no have no choice but to try and force them which could have been avoided.

Apple should pick their battles better, refusing to unlock a phone from a known terrorist is never going to garner much support.

Flat out refusing was the wrong response.

Google and Samsung are jumping on-board because like Apple they don't want to take responsibility or give the impression their devices are not secure.

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