Verizon may be blocking Microsoft Lumia 950 and 950 XL from operating on its network

Verizon may be blocking Microsoft Lumia 950 and 950 XL from operating on its network
While it should not be a surprise to anyone, the fact that Microsoft’s new Lumia flagships are not being offered across multiple carriers is noteworthy. As it is, AT&T is the de-facto exclusive carrier for the Lumia 950.

There is no love for the larger Lumia 950 XL by AT&T, or from any other carrier for that matter. Microsoft will be selling the devices unlocked, and the components apparently have radios that would work on Verizon’s legacy CDMA network, but Big Red would not allow the devices to authenticate to its system.

According to the well-informed Microsoft insider Mary Jo Foley, Microsoft opted to just disable the CDMA radios inside the new devices rather than get Verizon’s blessing to authenticate the hardware should a customer opt to buy an unlocked device.

While the Microsoft insiders are quick to point fingers at Verizon, it should be noted that no matter what carrier or its technology, they ultimately have a final say as to the type of equipment that can operate on their given network, considering the magnitude of the investment involved. No word on whether Sprint took a similar position to Verizon.

To that point however, Google’s new Nexus 6P and Nexus 5X will be available only from the Google Store, and they will work on CDMA carriers like Verizon and Sprint. While it may be an arduous task, it is not impossible to achieve such a goal.

That, however, does not reconcile with Verizon’s historic lackluster support for the Windows Phone platform. Despite having capable exclusives like the Lumia 928 or the Lumia Icon, Verizon’s marketing and promotion for such banner bearing devices could best be summed up as “meh.”

via: Windows Central



1. EraserXIV

Posts: 38; Member since: Jul 16, 2009

In other news: the sky is blue, grass is green..

9. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

All of these things are heard or unseen...

19. DoggyDangerous

Posts: 1028; Member since: Aug 28, 2015

Windows has none existent apps support. So Verizon want the customers to save money from investing in lumia.

23. semipro1337

Posts: 114; Member since: Oct 01, 2012

Yeah.... That's it. Verizon and saving customers money should never ever...ever.........ever be mentioned in the same sentence. I greatly hope you were attempting sarcasm. And the app support starts at the carriers. Like it or not, had the carriers made a half assed attempt of marketing and selling Windows Phone devices 3 years ago, the apps would be there. Thank Verizon for that too.

35. theo14461 unregistered

If Verizon is not making money on something, they will ban it. Greedy bastards.

40. 7thspaceman

Posts: 1597; Member since: Feb 14, 2011

Why do people lie about Windows smart phones not having Apps in their store. they do have quite a few now and more will come with Windows 10 Universal apps. There are some very popular Apple iPhone and Android apps Windows smart phone do not have but there are enough there to make Windows smart phones very useful.

42. cdgoin

Posts: 614; Member since: Jul 28, 2010

Its not the main apps that is the problem, its simple apps.. banking apps, etc.. WHICH if the average user understood that most bank websites are mobile friendly, and all you have to do is browse to the site and then pin it to the home screen.. things would be different. IF most those making apps realized to make a "windows App" would be nothing more than creating a live tile to their website things would be different. but most people are stupid.

43. Plutonium239

Posts: 1239; Member since: Mar 17, 2015

All the banking apps are is a shell for their mobile website. On a windows phone you simply pin the banks website to your start screen and its basically the same as the app.

44. cdgoin

Posts: 614; Member since: Jul 28, 2010

I don't disagree and thats what I have been telling people. But they don't get it. The BANKS should simply make a quick app that is a live tile and does just that. Won't cost them anything, but they won't. Mainly because whomever delveops thier app for them doesn't get that either. So when a Bank shows next to their app JUST a Droid and and Apple people get the wrong impression. Winning the hearts and minds of the phone geek isn't the problem.. its the average consumer. Sad but true.

26. marcski07

Posts: 600; Member since: Apr 25, 2014

OFF TOPIC, GALAXY J7, NOTE 3, LG G3, what would i choose? the brand new galaxy j7, or the 2 year old lg g3? and note 3??

33. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

G3 it will get Android 6 marshmallow too.

2. Plutonium239

Posts: 1239; Member since: Mar 17, 2015

Not a surprise, Verizon is backwards in in their network by using CDMA technology instead of GSM(which is far better). Why wouldn't they be backwards in adopting better devices? Verizon lies about it's coverage compared to it's competitors. Verizon itself is a big "meh".

3. Scott93274

Posts: 6040; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

I'm not a fan of Microsoft's mobile platform, but the fact that they're not even given a chance to compete is a freakin shame. Just one more reason why I want to jump to Fi.

4. ckoch125

Posts: 193; Member since: Oct 29, 2012

Can't wait until CDMA is dead so we do not have any of this carrier BS going around. Nothing surprises me anymore with verizon.

5. jojon

Posts: 435; Member since: Feb 11, 2014

These American carriers, this is is just total BS.

16. Tizo101

Posts: 595; Member since: Jun 05, 2015

I feel kinda sad for them, I my country carries are not allowed to lock any phones.

18. DoggyDangerous

Posts: 1028; Member since: Aug 28, 2015

In my country too. Carrier doesn't have such authority to play their power in this way.

34. hound.master

Posts: 1044; Member since: Feb 27, 2015

They can't even decide on anything in mine all phones unlocked here but that Comes with disadvantages too.

6. camera531

Posts: 346; Member since: Jun 30, 2012

The Moto X is also fully compatible with Verizon, and only sold unlocked. I'm having a little trouble buying this argument from Microsoft. Why wouldn't they allow the phones on their network, when two nexus devices (one from Huawei) and the Moto X Pure are just fine. Microsoft even said that they're not focusing on a wide launch, keeping it limited. I call total BS on this one...

11. tacarat

Posts: 854; Member since: Apr 22, 2013

Here's a question: is Sprint blocking them too?

12. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Technically it is not blocking them. PA should revise the article with actual tech speak. What happens is that with CDMA they have to put actual information about the device in the system, and it will 'work'. Basically you call Verizon, have them add your MDI and boom your up and running. But without a phone model etc to select and add on the agent side, there is nothing they can do. If Verizon adds the info for the agents, then it works. If they don' doesn't work, that simple. At this point it is PURELY Verizon based...nothing more.

17. Penny

Posts: 1869; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

From most accounts of people in the know about this situation, here's a bit of an explanation: The Lumia 950 and 950 XL hardware are both capable of working with CDMA and Verizon. Microsoft spoke to Verizon about selling the phones unlocked so customers can purchase it directly and get direct updates. Verizon told Microsoft that they were not going to allow these unlocked devices to work on their network. Microsoft wouldn't cave to Verizon's demands, and vice-versa. Microsoft then decided they would disable the CDMA capability altogether for two reasons: reducing cost in the FCC approval process, and avoiding a situation in which customers buy Lumias that "should" work on Verizon, but then don't because Verizon won't allow it. That would look bad on Microsoft because the customer would come back saying "you told me this would work on Verizon." So yeah, Verizon's not getting what they want and are not playing ball. Microsoft's CEO explicitly stated earlier this year that they are not going to waste time with carriers that have proven to be bad partners. So that's that.

24. semipro1337

Posts: 114; Member since: Oct 01, 2012

Agreed. And for basic explanation purposes, Verizon could indeed block any device they want same way they block a stolen or compromised device, black list the IMEI. They know exactly what type of device your trying to use on their network just by those numbers so it would be easy for them to black list them as people attempted to activate them.

7. Monsterhunter

Posts: 42; Member since: Oct 14, 2015

Verizon, verizon where art thou verizon.....on the horizon.....let thou syphon the WRATH of poseidon. Lol

8. akki20892

Posts: 3902; Member since: Feb 04, 2013

who wants verizon, i'm in at&t. no one give a f**k to CDMA. anyway GSM rox.

10. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

Eh? That's more Ms's fault than Version. If Microsoft would just bother approaching them for the blessing, I am sure they woukd comeply. Ms isn't even trying....

25. semipro1337

Posts: 114; Member since: Oct 01, 2012

I have got more respect for ms for telling Verizon to suck it. At the end if wp fails Microsoft will still be worth more than Verizon.

28. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Actually it was Verizon who would not allow it. If you knew how CMDA works, literally all Verizon has to do is add the phones info to the database, nothing else. Without that info the network denies registered access.

32. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

If the article is accurate, the way it is worded pretty much says Verizon doesn't care enough or might not even know these devices existed. Microsoft not caring enough themselves, just disabled the radios in firmware rather than ask Verizon to add the 950 to their database. That sounds like Microsoft to me. It's like Microsoft not bothering to file a patent another blaming the patent office for not reading their minds and filing it for them. This sounds like a simple matter of Microsoft calling them and saying hey, add these devices to the system. Just like Google did with the Nexus P and Nexus X. Or similarly Verizon didn't think Samsung pay would have any legs and didn't care about it at all next to Apple pay and they probably never would have added it automatically if Samsung didn't ask. This looks exactly the same as those scenarios. But this time instead of just Verizon being lazy and nonchalant( I don't blame them either, the only devices and services they should add to their system are the ones they think will make money), Microsoft is being lazy and nonchalant about it too. I am pretty sure its Microsoft's job to convince big red that it's in their best interest to add these phones to their database, not just disable the radios. Sorry dude, that's Ms not wanting to play politics. Verizon doesn't have to chase anyone, they are in the position of everyone except Apple having to court them.

37. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

They asked Verizon, they couldn't come to an agreement. Again Verizon Doesn't need MS blessing to add the phone to their system. The phones support CDMA, but since the entire world pretty much runs on GSM, it really is just a single Very large Carrier they would need to care about. CDMA works, Verizon doesn't need MS blessing to add the phone info so the CDMA can authenticate the device. However, without Verizon adding it MS is out of luck. MS has to go to Verizon to ask. Verizon doesn't have to ask MS if their phones can work on their network. I seriously doubt you understand how this tech actually works and why at this moment, it is ALLLLL on Verizon.

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