San Bernardino victims oppose Apple in battle to open terrorist's iPhone 5c

San Bernardino victims oppose Apple in battle to open terrorist's iPhone 5c
Victims of the San Bernardino terrorist attack plan on filing a brief in federal court that will support the government's demand that Apple unlock Syed Farook's Apple iPhone 5c. The deceased terrorist was given the phone by his employer, the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. The government feels that there could be valuable information stored inside the device including the names of possible accomplices that guided Farook and his wife throughout the planning stage of the attack. Also, a possible list of targets could be on the phone.

According to Apple, the iPhone 5c at the heart of the matter had its iCloud password changed, making it more difficult to unlock the device. The FBI blames the San Bernardino Department of Public Health for messing with the iCloud account, while the local agency says it was done at the request of the FBI. Apple says that the software required to get the information requested by the government does not exist, and it is concerned that creating a version of iOS with this so-called "back door" could fall into the wrong hands, which could lead to the loss of privacy for iPhone users around the world.

The San Bernardino victims are being guided by former federal judge Stephen Larson, who says that the victims have an interest in the information possibly embedded inside the iPhone 5c that is more important than the FBI's investigation. As Larson says, "They were targeted by terrorists, and they need to know why, how this could happen." He plans on filing an amicus brief (friend of the court) early next month. The lawyer refused to say how many victims he represents. Larson says that he is not getting paid for this work.

14 people were murdered on December 2nd inside a San Bernardino office building by Farook and his wife. The husband and wife died later that afternoon in a hail of police bullets.

Apple says that it will file this Friday, its first legal documents regarding the case.

source: Reuters

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27 Comments

1. techperson211

Posts: 1280; Member since: Feb 27, 2014

Can't blame them.

11. neops

Posts: 297; Member since: Jan 28, 2014

But, it's complicated, there's more things at stake. Let the lawyers find the end. In the mean time Apple managed to throw its shadow over MWC 2016

19. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Yup and this is the other side of the coin..... Its one reason why I want Apple to at least try to unlock it. For me, knowing a person that had a relative die in 9-11...and that day working blocks away from the White House....yea... The other side of the coin.

2. Damo.

Posts: 10; Member since: Feb 22, 2016

We will be doomed if this gets approved.

18. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

not for me tough.. 1. I dont use Apple stuff.. 2. I'm not in US.. 3. I'm not a terrorist.. I dont have any reason to be doomed by apple decision

30. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

FALSE! Because they will come after other OEM next. You just dont get it do you? If they make Apple do it, then they set a court precedence which will prevent Google or Microsoft from protecting its customers.

3. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3951; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

Well of course they do, they were attacked after all.

4. HonestRealist

Posts: 196; Member since: Jan 25, 2016

Sigh... People who grieve aren't rational. But then again humans tend to be irrational emotional idiots, so bleh. Whatever.

21. tedkord

Posts: 17296; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

People also aren't rational when it comes to defending their favored companies. The facts in this case are, the government has a valid warrant, and they're not asking Apple to defeat the encryption, but to bypass the 10 try limit. Apple could do that easily. The government wouldn't own the modified iOS. And none of that garbage about it getting into the wrong hands. IOS source had never escaped Apple HQ. People will simply defend what they support without reason. I watched a Video on YouTube where they sent fake Fox News reporters to candidate events to interview supporters about new developments (which were made up, not real) that sounded bad for their candidate You should have seen the rationalizing kick in.

25. Techist

Posts: 311; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

You nailed it! Apple's arguments are full of holes. They claim the "backdoor" will get leaked - how come iOS (or any number of it's various features) haven't leaked? And as someone on another site stated, with a search warrant issued by a judge after due process, law enforcement can come and search your house - why should it be any different when it comes to your phone? Apple wants people thinking they are the only entity on the planet that can be trusted - we shouldn't even trust our own governments or law enforcement agencies. They are too short-sighted to see the long-term ramifications of this.

5. Modest_Moze

Posts: 184; Member since: Mar 23, 2015

OPEN IT!!!!!

13. Jimrod

Posts: 1605; Member since: Sep 22, 2014

It was opened, after it got into FBI hands... then locked again with a new password. It's not Apple's problem that the FBI just want to be able to snoop on any phone at will. Usual tactic of stir up some anger to get their way *cough 9/11 cough*.

28. j2001m

Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

Nope that not the case, as you can only install software on a iPhone if it's signed by Apple so even if the fbi take the software, if Apple removes the signing like what they do if you can not degrade OS, the. The fbi will not be able to reload the software, so Apple are full of it, they are just trying to look good Just to be clear the owner of the phone is asking for the unlock

31. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

100% agree!

17. SuperNexus

Posts: 127; Member since: Jan 18, 2013

Yes, I also want Apple to open that device. Who know there are some more terriorm planing so it might save some people lives. Then again there is privacy issue. When it comes to terrorists then it means life's are many people are on stake. So, Life vs Privacy. What is more important for you ? Then again it's FBI and it's highly unlikely that they won't abuse privacy. I think Apple should just unlock device and give it to FBI instead of telling them. And every company should do this. But don't give this technology to govt but give only terrorists information. Because in my opinion life is more important than Privacy.

26. Techist

Posts: 311; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

It's fascinating that some people think that the right to privacy is greater than the right to life. What is this that you have that is so private that it is worth others dying for? For criminals and terrorists, of course, the right to privacy is indeed worth others (especially their victims) dying for. Should the rest of us think that way?

32. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

You can't save everyone. Sure you could save some. But then Apple risks bringing terrorist actions against their company and employees. No oen is considering that si Apple is force to do this and they do, 10's of thousands of Apple employees who work at their stores could be victims of attacks in retaliation which coudl be MOREpeopel than just those 15. How many people are in a an Apple store at any one time? There could be 200 customers and 10 employs where a terrorist with a bomb strapped to his chest can freely walking and blow everyone. if I worked in an apple store, my life isnt worth the lives of those 15 people who are already dead. People did everyday, how about we dont create another situation for more angry terrorist to come here and kill more people. Again typical shortsighted people who lack even the slightest amount of common sense. Even with a court order, if I was Tim Cook, I would just opening tell the FBI and the court to go screw yourselves, even if it means I go to jail. I will stay their until I rot if need be. Appel shows that the Goverement is request they make an application to break phones because they have more phones they want to bust open. This shows the Feds want access to bust open ANY iPhone which has huge issues. Please understand that literally hundreds of very important people int he world use an iPhone. Having the Feds have the ability to tap into them would happen. if Apple busts open the phone, the Feds can take the software on the phone and have some hacker figure out how it was done. Appel is 100% right on this one and I dont care what anyone says. They are right in exactly what they said about the FBI. After all, all Government agencies of the US joined in an agreed to kill 3000 US citizen in 9/11 to start an illegal war. Doesn't matter what you beleive, it si a simple fact. No time in USA history have 4 planes ever flew in our skies undetected and not responding to calls...EVER. No time in history was every single military group be on training missions in order to not be ready for such an event. No time in USA history has a plane crashed into a building and we not see a plane. No time in history has a fire made any building with a steel skeleton fall. EVER! For all those things to have happened in one day, it woudl have had to have taken lots of money and the co-operation of the US Government agencies to pull it off. If it was this easy to terrorize the USA, they could have did such YEAR AGO! For people here to be so easily con'd by the government is just sickening. They will say whatever to get what they want. Just because they want it, doesn't mean they shoudl have it. Apple is standing up and I stand 100% in their corner on this. No matter how much I may or may not like them...RIGHT IS RIGHT and I stand for whatever is right no matter who is behind it.

7. greyarea

Posts: 267; Member since: Aug 14, 2015

And I can't blame them for coming to that decision even if I don't agree with it. I expect people so close to the victims to be thinking with heavy emotional ties. But I am disappointed with the judge friend. "As Larson says, 'They were targeted by terrorists, and they need to know why, how this could happen'." That's what said after every mass shooting. Promising answers to the victims where there often are none seems poor judgement.

22. Andrew5190

Posts: 55; Member since: Oct 23, 2014

53 years later, no one really knows who killed Kennedy, yet the American people deserved an answer at that time. Still waiting, CIA. This "closure" thing is a load of horse $4!7. Anyone who has watched anything related to news lately knows that this is all a play off human emotion and nothing more.

10. ramkumar1337

Posts: 9; Member since: Oct 08, 2015

I do not understand this fuss about privacy, gosh if the world is to be a safer place and goverments has to read my email so be it. I do not have anything to hide from the Govt

12. xfire99

Posts: 1205; Member since: Mar 14, 2012

Kinda funny, hackers used bruteforcing attacks to steal celebrities photos on iCloud account before with unlimited tries or using email forgotten password method. No one cares about it and now suddenly it become such big deal? To hack celebrities iCLoud account and steal theirs photos is oki, but not a terrorist icloud account for information? Even Apple create the backdoor to unlock the phone. They dont know how to patch it and close it?

14. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

That was a security flaw in iCloud, and no it never was ok. It was just one of many examples of why putting your sensitive data on a public cloud storage is negligent: https://db.tt/K8DzTYog Apple patched that up. This on the other, is demanding Apple remove a security patch, which could be potentially abused when it gets in the wrong hands...

15. darkkjedii

Posts: 30960; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Man, I've got some memories on my phone that I don't need big brother seeing. Stand pat Apple.

16. pureviewuser

Posts: 501; Member since: Nov 11, 2012

I wonder how opinions would change even at Apple if a relative was a victim.

34. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Mine wouldnt...and many others wouldnt either. What is being asked for has to much power attached. Because the code and software needed would have to be on the phoen for it to work. If that si the case, what prevent the government from using its own hackers which you know they have, to secure that application and reverse engineer it. The US reverse engineers other tech for years. Where you think the Stealth came from? It is alien technology and it has been proven. After all aliens have come here many times detected and undetected which has also been proven; no matter what you may or may not believe. Apple is trying to prevent a count precedence that could then be used on ANY company. Not just Apple.

20. khalimany

Posts: 15; Member since: Jan 29, 2016

the use of ad populum fallacy and the appeal to pity fallacy

29. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

Busting open the phone isn't going to tell them how this happened. It happened because the US sticks it noses in other peoples business. That is why it is happening. Since terrorist can't directly execute auction against a military or government, they take it out on the people that work closely with them or their citizens. That's how it happened. Busting open their phone isn't goign to change this. EVER! If the US doesn't want terrorists, then remove all military bases from non-allied countries and mind your own business. No one is asking you to make them a democracy.

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