Samsung sues NVIDIA for patent infringement, claims benchmark test results were fake

Samsung sues NVIDIA for patent infringement, claims benchmark test results were fake
After being sued by NVIDIA for allegedly infringing on its patents, Samsung has filed a countersuit. The suit not only accuses the silicon slinger of using six Samsung patents without licensing them, it also accuses NVIDIA of misleading consumers by revealing false benchmark figures for its Shield Tablet in comparison with the Samsung Galaxy Note 4.

Samsung claims that NVIDIA is trying to show that the Tegra K1 processor in the Shield Tablet outperforms the Samsung Exynos 5433 processor, used in some models of the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Also named as a defendant is a PC manufacturer named Velocity Micro. The company uses NVIDIA graphics cards in its products, which is why Samsung is claiming that the company infringed on two of its patents.

NVIDIA denies that it played fast and loose with the benchmark scores for the Shield Tablet, and says that it ran the tests comparing the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 and the Shield Tablet fair and square. Both devices, according to the chip maker, were tested right out of the box. You might remember that last October it was Samsung that was accused of propping up benchmark tests results for the Samsung Galaxy Note 3.

The legal action is just warming up here. Stay tuned.


source: Law360 (Registration Reqd.) via Engadget

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47 Comments

1. Sauce2

Posts: 199; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

/facepalm Samsung. Samsung is one to speak lol?

8. microsoftnokiawin

Posts: 1268; Member since: Mar 30, 2012

ahaha I know right of everyone boosts their benchmark results then it's fair game I believe

15. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Exactly, everyone cheats benchmarks to some degree, including Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Apple, PowerVR and ARM as well Next year the 810, A9X, M1, Exynos 7/8 will destroy this year's 805, A8X, K1 and Exynos 5433 And the real world performance difference will still be relatively small again

19. AlikMalix unregistered

Never saw an article accusing Apple of cheating on benchmark tests.

21. frederick333123

Posts: 76; Member since: Jun 15, 2013

yes i agree with you alikmalix

23. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

They all optimize for better benchmarks, which to some degree is cheating Apple examples Browser benchmarks Safari always gets far results, there are some browser on Android that also get far results e.g. Puffin Also their 64-bit GeekBench results are 40-50% higher than their 32-bit results, which is strange since the difference for Android is 10%. The 64-bit Android wasn't released, so Google/Nvidia couldn't optimize for. I wouldn't be surprised if Google/Nvidia pushed an update which boasts their 64-bit result by another 40%. Other examples In 3DMark Qualcomm and Nvidia (32-bit K1) have far better physics (CPU) results than Apple's A8X and the Nexus 9 (64-bit K1), which is strange since the A8X and 64-bit K1 are better in other CPU benchmarks They all cheat to some degree

27. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Here's the Geekbench results I was talking about iPad Air 2 64-bit = 1800/4500 iPad Air 2 32-bit = 1300/3200 6 Plus 64-bit = 1600/2900 6 Plus 32-bit = 1200/2100 Nexus 9 64-bit = 2000/3600 Nexus 9 32-bit = 1900/3500 Google/Nvidia couldn't cheat since there was only the 32-bit version of Geekbench before the Nexus 9 was released. The next Nexus 9 update will probably have some optimisations which will also boast their result more like Apples. And Samsung will push it to their Exynos Note 4 as well Here the links for the 32-bit Apple results since they are quite hard to find iPad Air 2 32-bit (only one, since everyone does the 64-bit test)http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1180262 6 Plus 32-bit (there's more, since its been out for longer)http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1190884http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1185356http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1179553

28. rantao333

Posts: 346; Member since: May 21, 2013

u call that cheat? cheat means manipulated frequency, overriding heat-protection, and does not run the same in real life. and these are wat most OEM done during the year with evidence and prove. u cant generalize when nexus 9 show little different between 32bit & 64 bit. then apple must be cheat on benchmarks since there are differences within the 32bit & 64bit.

34. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

That's why I said to some degree Another easy way to tell is just look at the Android Geekbench scores, all the 801 phones have very different scores even though they have the same chip Optimizing for a specific benchmark also has no benefit in real life The Nexus 5 has a 800 with generally lower benchmark scores, and still faster than almost all the other flagships

38. AlikMalix unregistered

All the "proof" you though you posted are actual results and your own speculation that if Apple does much better with their hardware then they're cheating. The only reason why Apple gets better margins vs their 32bit counterparts is because Apple builds their own hardware and software - this is pure apromization in its best - android phones cannot do that because they use freeware for their OS - read: not optimized. I have countless and countless articicles showing android phones deliberately cheating (manipulating clock speeds and bypassing certain limits that may otherwise damage your phone if left in real day-to-day use). Just because Apple has impressive benchmark results with every new device that you cannot believe they're achieving with half the specs of your beloved android - does not mean they're Cheating! Did you ever think that maybe android manufacurers are not that good at hardware/software relationship - that they just throw as much hardware at it as they can instead of doing proper coding? And don't give me that BS that iPhones don't do anything but boot up and display icons - I devices and iOS does everything you can do on android. Just because you have a file manager - doesn't mean I cannot store files on my devices or open them or work with them. Don't be ignorant.

42. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Calm down bro Nothing personal It's all proof Apple are optimizing for benchmarks Apple are just smarter a cheating Nvidia couldn't cheat since their was no 64-bit version of Geekbench on Android before the Nexus 9 They all cheat, in the update for the Nexus 9 Nvidia will also throw optimizations as well Also Samsung will also as well

46. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

they are not optimizing for benchmarks, the reason is because the OS is actual 64bit. When you get a real 64bit release on android, expect there to be a bump.

47. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

40-50% is far too high The difference on Windows, Mac OS X and Android is 10% So something is up

32. aba71983

Posts: 807; Member since: Jul 24, 2014

Apple's know what is best to their product. It may have Samsung chips inside of there iPhones and iPads but they never cheating on benchmark tests.

29. Awalker

Posts: 1981; Member since: Aug 15, 2013

It's a little bit different here. Samsung doesn't put out any benchmark numbers and claim their devices are faster than the competition. Reviewers run the benchmarks knowing that these tests can be manipulated and therefore shouldn't be a part of their review process but they still do it anyway.

2. Scott93274

Posts: 6040; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

Any article with the words "Samsung" & "Benchmarks" result in a headache for me. It reminds me that they'll do anything to sell their phones, even lie & cheat.

5. shahrooz

Posts: 792; Member since: Sep 17, 2013

welcome to earth, what you just described is called corporate business in 2014 :) you think other companies like Apple, LG etc are honest to you? wake up brother

7. Scott93274

Posts: 6040; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

Hey, I am fully awake. I know all other companies pull this crap too, especially Apple, but I call Apple on their BS rather frequently, I don't do it nearly as regularly for Samsung. So take a chill pill and let me vent.

10. hung2900

Posts: 966; Member since: Mar 02, 2012

Samsung is the first one of big "lying" tech companies stoped cheating. One M8 still cheats. For years and years, nVIDIA's comparison charts are garbages, many people know that.

12. tech2

Posts: 3487; Member since: Oct 26, 2012

After their faking benchmark fiasco Samsung was the only one who fixed that with an update while other OEMs who were also caught of doing the same haven't yet fixed anything and continue to cheat in benchmarks.

14. Scott93274

Posts: 6040; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

Maybe, I don't know, I haven't really followed it. But I know when it went down, Samsung was always the one that the media pointed out that was the main offender. Maybe they're a little more honest now... but according to articles I read, Motorola & Apple were the only two companies that were not guilty of the dishonest practice. I do know that Samsung isn't alone, but like I said in my previous statement, I see those two words and I get headaches because of all the crap that came to light... http://www.fiercecio.com/story/not-so-smartphone-makers-caught-cheating-benchmarking-tests/2013-10-07

16. vincelongman

Posts: 5723; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

To some degree everyone are still cheating benchmarks including Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Apple, PowerVR and ARM as well E.g. the 805, A8, K1, Exynos 5433 perform far better than last year's 800, A7, Tegra 4 and Exynos 5420 in benchmarks Yet the real world performance difference is still be relatively small And it will happen again next year, and the year after

41. AlikMalix unregistered

Dude you've been told again and again - apples benchmarks are that of actual clock speed and cpu restrictions that are used to run everything on the device - NOT just benchmark software, unlike other android devices. Apple may have their share of wrongdoings but cheating on benchmarks is not one of them. They deliver an honest product (some problems come up, yes, but repaired quickly 90% of the time). So for everyone trying to drag Apple into the pool of benchmark cheating - stop - you're lying to others and yourself.

44. Scott93274

Posts: 6040; Member since: Aug 06, 2013

Hey, I just want to point out that I talk a lot of crap about Apple, but I gave them credit in my last comment. I'm honestly offended by many of the Android OEMs for this crap.

45. AlikMalix unregistered

My post wasn't toward you, it was response to post #16. But yeah I was surprised by you on that post. Thanks.

3. e8ght

Posts: 27; Member since: May 25, 2013

The Pot Calling the Kettle Black.

4. maple_mak

Posts: 953; Member since: Dec 18, 2013

Are they fooling different about 32-bit and 64-bit performance?

6. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Lie and cheat always has a place since the beginning of benchmark. Intel vs AMD during 386/486 days Nvidia vs ATI since the beginning of 3D graphic. My guide for my PC graphic purchase has always been my budget, fav 3D game fps and gpu operating tempurature.

36. bucky

Posts: 3790; Member since: Sep 30, 2009

Likewise for the most part. I'd be lying if I said I didn't favor nvidia.

9. blazee

Posts: 414; Member since: Jan 02, 2012

Can we sue Samsung for cheating on their benchmarks then?

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